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If he views the thing that defines and narratively transcends 1-A fictions AS fictional then he should be above 1-A logic imo
Thus high 1-A
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How many layers into 1-A are Marvel Top-Tiers?
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If he views the thing that defines and narratively transcends 1-A fictions AS fictional then he should be above 1-A logic imo
Thus high 1-A
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well that's literally the justification for TOAA. which is 1-A
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Yeah man i am jus not arguing for that anymore
The tiering system bended itself for TOAA not to reach high 1-A
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Bro exactly my thought ngl
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Because you need infinite hierarchy of these higher layers. Marvel has finite.
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Why do you need an infinite 1-A structure to high 1-A? I don't get this.
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The teiring system works on infinite hierarchy of layers
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It literally does not
I explained it to you in another thread
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"Characters who can affect objects that are larger than what the logical framework defining 1-A and below can allow, and as such exceed any possible number of levels contained in the previous tiers, including an infinite or uncountably infinite number. Practically speaking, this would be something completely unreachable to any 1-A hierarchies."
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I haven't been reading the current conversation, but a 1-A+ framework is not necessarily required in order to reach High 1-A. Apophatic theology, when implemented into an already 1-A cosmology, is High 1-A.
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Does marvel have that?
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I don't know. I'm not interested in discussing the viability of H1-A Marvel.
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Yes, 1-A realms exist inside infinite stories inside the HOI
These stories likely embody literally all concepts and meanings of these realms, because it literally views the entire thing as a “story”
TOAA viewing the entirety of marvel comics as fictional effectively makes him indescribable by 1-A (layers into 1-A even) structures
Thus, not a layer into 1-A, but high 1-A
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I guess
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That isn't Apophatic theology.
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Where does it say infinite framework?
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Isnt apophatic theology like, just god ignoring all concepts and definitions? That's what i understood from wikipedia
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No. Apothatic theology is the idea God is so fundamentally superior to reality that the only way to describe him is to say what he isn't.
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How can 1-A hierarchy reach a creator that he defines as fiction or a simple book? Buddy? I get the unreachable part, but infinite is definitely not a condition.
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Yes. Apophatic beings are inherently transcendent from reality to the point where ascribing descriptions to them (conceptualizing them by likening them to aspects of reality) is reductive.
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“exceed any possible number of levels contained in the previous tiers, including an infinite or uncountably infinite number”
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You could get TOAA to high 1-A if you prove that apophatic theology is in the verse. It would be similar to the Fireman’s high 1-A justification
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Imma give up at this point
Toaa is the literal description of high 1-A
You have a realm that is the, by the definition, the logical framework of >1-A
And Toaa views it as fiction
High 1-A imo
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I’m just confused on the logical framework of 1-A part. Nothing in marvel is of this size
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The house of ideas, it houses “layers into 1-A” realms, their ideas and concepts as fictional stories, which Hoi has infinite stories
Toaa views that as fictional
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So that’s 2 more layers into 1-A
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We should just agree to disagree. If you want to upgrade the verse, you could always make CRT
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my man said 2 layers
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2 more layers, not 2 totalmy man said 2 layers
Transcending
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Do you have scans for qualitative superiorities?
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Marvel Cosmic Analysis: Oblivion & Chaos King
vsbattles.fandom.com
Scroll down a bit here. But it happens in Mighty Thor Annual 1 basically
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Isn't that 7th Cosmos tho? I wanted to know for EightMarvel Cosmic Analysis: Oblivion & Chaos King
Scroll down a bit here. But it happens in Mighty Thor Annual 1 basically
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He has barely appeared in eight. But it shouldn't affect his placement much anyway.
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Why is Marvel even 1-A again?
Marvel doesn't even have infinite geometric dimensions. The Reed Richards scans of him venturing into the sub-space I see on profiles as justification of an infinite hierarchy of geometric dimensions doesn't even talk about them.
The place where Reed can access all the dimensions is itself only a four dimensional space. The dimensions talked here mean other universes, notably the negative zone. It doesn't talk about higher geometric dimensions. The negative zone isn't a higher dimensional universe, it's just the anti-matter counterpart to the normal Marvel universe.
The LT and other abstracts are seen meeting in a 16D superspace. That should be the maximum number of spatial dimensions for the Marvel universe.
The House of Ideas doesn't seem to see the Multiverse as fiction. It writes and archives stories about heroes and that is also written by the unconscious of the people in the universe. So even that can't be argued as a transcendence.
Edit: minor correction. Fiction -> stories
Marvel doesn't even have infinite geometric dimensions. The Reed Richards scans of him venturing into the sub-space I see on profiles as justification of an infinite hierarchy of geometric dimensions doesn't even talk about them.
The place where Reed can access all the dimensions is itself only a four dimensional space. The dimensions talked here mean other universes, notably the negative zone. It doesn't talk about higher geometric dimensions. The negative zone isn't a higher dimensional universe, it's just the anti-matter counterpart to the normal Marvel universe.
The LT and other abstracts are seen meeting in a 16D superspace. That should be the maximum number of spatial dimensions for the Marvel universe.
The House of Ideas doesn't seem to see the Multiverse as fiction. It writes and archives stories about heroes and that is also written by the unconscious of the people in the universe. So even that can't be argued as a transcendence.
Edit: minor correction. Fiction -> stories
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Marvel explicitly mentions spatial dimensions when they're talking about them. All the other times the word "dimension" is referring to universes/pocket universes. Like the Dark Dimension, the Negative Zone, Asgard, etc.
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