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How is 18 tier 4 now?

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And SSB Goku was holding back against 17. That was my point was to kick to blast of a supressed Goku. 17 was able to fight to supressed Goku.

During the tournament they were able to fight 3-As
 
Goku didn't intend to use SSB against 17. The fact that 17 overpowered ssj1 Goku and pushed him to use SSB is enough to make him 3-A. Not to mention that 17 was also holding back.

Other than that, 17 has many more solid feats which justify his tier.
 
18 is easily more powerful than base ssj1 goku. She was able to defeat an enemy that was weighing goku down. She was owning ribrianne who forced goku to SSB like 17 did.

18 has a lot of feats to justify why she should be higher. She doesn't have to fight high end 3-As or low 2-C to be low end 3-A
 
Goku was massively holding back especially in the start of the tournament, and her feats with Rebrianne are treated as outliers.

She did no training and was shown comparable to Krillin and Majora. She is far too inconsistent to be rated as 3-A.
 
We're pretty much arguing in circles at this point, and question is pretty much answered, so shouldn't we close the thread?
 
You're logic Krillin trained for 5 to 10 minutes and equals 18 level 18 did the same training but yet she's not stronger

Didnt Majora catch a supressed 18 off guard? Let not forget how weak Dragon Ball characters can get if you get them off guard.

Anyways, 18 is treated as nothing even though she had the same training Krillin had, yet other characters, who are massively weaker than her are scaled to her.

Ummm interesting if this is the case you're making than literally almost everyone is an outlier and should be downgraded.
 
Krillin did not just train for 5-10 minutes though. There was a mini arc right after the Future Trunks arc in which Krillin was shown training with Goku. 18 did not train at all.

And only Krillin scales to 18 due to the Majora fight. Tien, Roshi and even Krillin have feats of their own which put them in tier 4, that's breaking katchi katchin.

Sorry, but 18 being 3-A doesn't make any sense to begin with, and the inconsistent feats she has is all over the place and it could be chalked up to powerful characters holding back or outliers. That's why she can't get a solid 3-A rating.
 
Krillin is comparable to suppressed 18 before her and 17 decided to go all out. 18 is probably still low end universal and krillin is just stronger than we thought, krillin might be like solar system level. But there is no way 18 is still 4-b, it literally makes no sense and not everything has to be outliers, scaling is still relevant regardless of some bad writing or rushed writing etc. She could have trained off screen or whatever like even if not 3-a she has to be more than 4-b
 
or it could just be easier to chalk it up as dbs world being a big ominous patriarchy that doesn't grant fair and equal strength to 18 (despite never trained for jack)
 
If you're gonna correct me do it right 1. They trained just before the tournament began for like 5 or 10 minutes. Also training in the mini arc was like 4 minutes willpower and kai control. It's good to know that 9 to 14 minutes will bring you from planet level to star level heck probably even solar system level if he get upgraded. Yet 18 is the same ol girl from DBZ. She even stated she's still stronger than him... What a world 2. He scales off a supressed 18, who was holding back but yet she's not stronger than her DBZ counterpart ummmm And 18 should be way above them 3. Where was she all over the place with? She only got caught off guard one time and hurt her ankle in an explosion. Let's not forget how many of the big guys got hurt by a kai blast too. 4. She consistently fought 3-As and only had one bad showing because the other showing she was suppressed just like Goku. You can cry outliers all day but 18 has been consistent with these feats.

Again by your logic she didn't train than why is Krillin, Tien, and other who barely trained upgraded? Can you answer that? They're not outliers but yet 18 is. That makes so much sense. By your logic mostly who series should be downgraded because it's full of outliers, plot devices and more.

That's just my 2 cents I'm done. But I guarantee you if any of other people on U7 do a huge feat they would get upgrade ASAP.
 
So basically, we are biased against Android 18 and if Krillin, Tien or Roshi performed a 3-A feat, they'd be 3-A immediately. MEANING you are pulling the biased card, i.e not an arguement.

Name every 3-A feat of 18's. Name every one.
 
How about this? Since you now know why we downgraded 18, and we're so wrong about it, why don't you make a CRT with evidence on why she should be 3-A?
 
No, I'm pulling the weaker characters who are massively inferior in power get upgraded to the same tier power while 18 is still treated as her normal DBZ level card.

You seem really pressed. You should chill.

I already named them all and they were outliers apparently but she did them consistently. My point is these characters should be treated as outliers too if that is the case.
 
1. Do you understand the concept of training off-screen. It is implied that Krillin started his training since the mini-arc. That's not 9-14 minutes. You are going by the cinematic timing only when time passes off-screen too. Even Tien trains off-screen.

2. She might be stronger than her DBZ counterpart, but not enough to reach 3-A.

3. Other than Rebrianne, she has no solid 3-A feat.
 
MeleeniumRXJ said:
So why isn't Rebrianne getting downgraded?
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Ever was about to take care of it. I'll just give the thread a quick bump in case he forgot.
 
Please show me how long he trained. So you're telling me training possibly less than a weak is enough to make you tier 5 to tier 4? I call BS 18 even called Krillin out for being weak in super for not training at all. You're doing nothing but overhyping Krillin up and he barely trained for like a month. I know Tien trains a lot but by your logic he should say beyond tier 4 I know she's stronger than her DBZ counterpart and I'm trying to tell everyone. She should be at least tier 3 She has other 3-A ribrianne isn't the only one
 
It doesn't make much logical sense, but when you think about its far less of a jump than 4B to 3A, or even 3A to low 2C. It's not contradicted by anything, and at least kinda has a justification. He's still far weaker than 18. 18 on the other hand did literally nothing until training with someone weaker than her, then gets amped by the power of love and beats someone who probably shouldn't be tier 3 in the first place. DBS screwed up the scaling in a lot of areas, but it doesn't mean that every character should be inconsistent.
 
18 could have easily trained off screen at any point before training with krillin, it does make sense for krillin to be stronger now i think 4-b is a low ball for krillin which means 18 is definitely higher than 4-b and so is ribrianne.
 
"So you're telling me training possibly less than a weak is enough to make you tier 5 to tier 4?"

SMH. Less than a week? You do realise the next time Goku saw Bulma after the mini-arc, she was pregnant and had a baby bump? Hell, even her due date was just around the corner. That's less than a week? Yeah no, I don't think saiyan hybrids work like that. Sorry.

And if you still have problems with Krillin becoming stronger after months of training, you'll have to take it up with Akira Toriyama or Toei.

"I call BS 18 even called Krillin out for being weak in super for not training at all."

Yes, before the mini-arc. And 18 was still stronger than Krillin after the mini-arc too, but that doesn't mean she jumped between tiers. She can be High 4-C and still be a lot stronger than another High 4-C.

"18 could have easily trained off screen at any point before training with krillin"

If only there was enough evidence of that. Sadly, all we know is she remained a housewife and did no training.

I am not overhyping Krillin, neither do I hate 18. Just look at my profile pic. But there are some times when we have to compromise. She doesn't have a solid 3-A feat other than Rebrianne (which is also controversial).
 
I think it's about time we closed this thread, I was pretty much given permission to.
 
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