How exactly does 2-B differ from 2-A?

[Zhaxean]

Specifically from "Multiverse level+".

2-A is stated as "Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums", while 2-B is "Characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to any higher finite number of universal 4-dimensional space-time continuums.". Both consider character who can create a countable infinite number of 4-dimensional unverses, so how do you determine if a character deserves 2-B or 2-A (Multiverse level+)?

 

[Dvorak1902]

"2-B: Characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to any higher finite number of universal 4-dimensional space-time continuums."

 

[Zhaxean]

"2-B: Characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to any higher finite number of universal 4-dimensional space-time continuums."

So, what differs between "any number higher than 1001" and "countable infinite"?

 

[Ted_Ed]

2-C 1-1000 timelines

2-B 1001 - Infinite-1 timelines

2-A infinite timelines

 

[TacticalNuke002]

countable infinite is essentially standard infinity.

Any number higher than 1001 refers to any number less than infinity but more than 1000.

 

[Zhaxean]

countable infinite is essentially standard infinity.
Any number higher than 1001 refers to any number less than infinity.

Isn't standard infinity the uncountable one? At least math-wise

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Standard infinity is countable in the sense its a single number. There's numbers higher than standard infinity like when we start counting sets and classes. That's a whole different can of worms I'd rather not get into. It includes stuff like (Infinity)^2 and higher and it takes you into High 2-A and above

 

[Dvorak1902]

2-B 1001 - Infinite-1 timelines

This is wrong, Infinite - 1 is Infinite and 2-A.

Uncountable Infinity and Countable Infinity are not the same. But they are both Infinity.

 

[Ted_Ed]

I mean, any finite number below infinite.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Yes, that.

 

[Zhaxean]

Standard infinity is countable in the sense its a single number. There's numbers higher than standard infinity like when we start counting sets and classes. That's a whole different can of worms I'd rather not get into. It includes stuff like (Infinity)^2 and higher and it takes you into High 2-A and above

This is exactly what confuses me. If both "standard infinity" and X>1001 are single numbers, how are you supposed to understand whether it's a number that brings you to 2-A or 2-B? The difference from High 2-A is clear (uncountable infinity is a distinct concept from countable infinity, like the example you gave, (Infinity)^2), but I don't think it's clear enough between B and low A

Or it may be that I'm just stupid and am missing something incredibly obvious

 

[Kriskirby]

Examples:

Arceus is 2-B because every Pokémon game file is an entire universe. My copy of Ultra Moon is a different universe than yours. However, it's never specified if there's an infinite amount of game files, as such, he is unquantifiably into 2-B. It's impossible to know how many universes he's created, but we know it isn't an infinite amount.

Thanos (Marvel Comics) is 2-A because the Infinity Gaunlet has power over the Marvel multiverse, which HAS been stated to be infinite.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Oh come on.

 

[Zhaxean]

Examples:
Arceus is 2-B because every Pokémon game file is an entire universe. My copy of Ultra Moon is a different universe than yours. However, it's never specified if there's an infinite amount of game files, as such, he is unquantifiably into 2-B. It's impossible to know how many universes he's created, but we know it isn't an infinite amount.

Thanos (Marvel Comics) is 2-A because the Infinity Gaunlet has power over the Marvel multiverse, which HAS been stated to be infinite.

But if the Marvel multiverse is infinite, why he is just "likely" High 2-A and not firmly High 2-A?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

If something is described as Infinite timelines or universes, that's straight 2-A. Anything from 1001 to uncountable is 2-B because uncountable is still lower than infinity, just a humongously large and indescribable number (1001, 1002, 1003, ... , n where n is a number not equal to infinity).

 

[Zhaxean]

If something is described as Infinite timelines or universes, that's straight 2-A. Anything from 1001 to uncountable is 2-B because uncountable is still lower than infinity, just a humongously large and indescribable number (1001, 1002, 1003, ... , n where n is a number not equal to infinity).

Ok, this makes sense. Then, what does a character need to be qualified as High 2-A instead of 2-A?

 

[Kriskirby]

"The Infinity Stones are repeatedly stated to exist in higher realities beyond space and time", meaning they're likely able to destroy and/or create 5-dimensional space-time constructs of a not insignificant size. I'm a little rusty on my Marvel knowledge but it could also mean he's uncountably above infinite.

2-B: uncountable number of universes

2-A: infinite number of universes

High 2-A: ^2 to uncountable infinite number of universes

 

[TacticalNuke002]

High 2-A baseline is from (Infinite)^2 universes or timelines, or from being 5-Dimensional.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

2-B is any number between 1001 and Infinite number of universes. There has to be an existence of an infinite number of timelines for anyone in the verse to be 2-A. However, if it's just a really big finite number, it's still 2-B. For example, Mario and Pokemon have super expansive universes where universes are constantly being born and the multiverses are expanding. So they're massive degrees of 2-B and they approach 2-A even if they don't quite reach it.

Already explained 2-A above, but a character either needs to be effecting a literal infinite number of timelines (Creating, Destroying, Reseting) or scale from someone who can to be 2-A.

High 2-A is for characters who have power over planes of higher infinity above the multiverse. The existence of an infinite number of universes is one thing, but the "Upper-Dimensional" plane that exists above and beyond all those universes is another.

 

[Zhaxean]

Ok, I think I finally got it

Thanks everyone!

Especially DarkDragon, your explanation was really well made