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How does Jiren scale to Vegito and Merged Zamasu? (Not infinity)
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Yeah actually, Beerus was using so little of his power it's hilarious. Even the percentages he was naming off was later shown to be him bullshitting. Sidra actually wanted Frieza dead, and failed.
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And that can not be said for Sidra because? Also I say again that none had implied that the GOD Tier is wide or has weaker members. Even the Angels when speaking thy say about Jiren being strong like a Hakaishin. Not impling any difference in power. Otherwise they would say that he is strong like Beerus etc Someone Specific.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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Because Sidra failed.
Also consider this, Toppo is a candidate for god.
Also consider this, Toppo is a candidate for god.
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Whis asked. Toppo is explicitly next in line, like officially in universe.
>too small
What's that even mean.
Actually we dont know, probably do honestly.
>too small
What's that even mean.
Actually we dont know, probably do honestly.
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He plans making him one. And Toppo is SSB Tier which would imply that Belmoud is not strong too... In all honesty we don't know which is weaker or not. Toppo is in training mode like with Goku and Vegeta. Whis promised in the anime to train Vegeta only if he becomes a GOD candidate.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
No statements imply that or the Angels say anything about GOD Tier. There is only the Hakaishin Tier where all the GODs scale. Its confusing with Sidra but its how it is...
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Elder Kai has met with Beerus before his sealing, and is far wiser than Shin and possibly even Gowasu, if any Kai should know the power of a God of Destruction, it should be him.╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
The Elder Kai not knowing about how the Potara means almost nothing as it is probably the result of him being sealed for thousands of years, or never experimenting with the earrings.
Gowasu or any other Kai don't know the full power of the God of Destruction, and there is no proof saying otherwise afaik.
And please don't quote long blocks of text.
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@Warren... No. Elder has not more knowladge than Gowasu. He didn't even know how the Potara work in the end. (for mortals) Gowasu did. Old Kai seems older since he is a Potara Fusion with the old Witch.
Being with Beerus for a time doesn't equal being with him for as long as Gowasu has been with Rumshii and Gowasu is not a Potara fusion, so he is old because he is old.
Being with Beerus for a time doesn't equal being with him for as long as Gowasu has been with Rumshii and Gowasu is not a Potara fusion, so he is old because he is old.
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Neither Champa nor Beerus were allowed to go full power for Vegeta's statements to hold any merit. their angels stepped in and stopped the fight before it escalated any further.
Gowasu has reliable statements however you have to prove he has actually witnessed the full extent of a GoD's power or a large portion of it.
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Knowing how the potara earrings function with mortals means nothing and doesn't show that Gowasu is more intelligent or wiser than the Elder Kai, it most likely that Gowasu witnessed the portaras being used between mortals, as it's never explained why he knows that fact.
Understand that: Knowledge on the effect on Mortals using Potaras =/= Gowasu is smarter/wiser than Elder Kai =/= Gowasu knows the power of a God of Destruction.
And my entire point is that just because you're with a God of Destruction for a long time, does not mean that you understand their power, especially because they suppress it immensely all the time.
Understand that: Knowledge on the effect on Mortals using Potaras =/= Gowasu is smarter/wiser than Elder Kai =/= Gowasu knows the power of a God of Destruction.
And my entire point is that just because you're with a God of Destruction for a long time, does not mean that you understand their power, especially because they suppress it immensely all the time.
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Beerus, who neither interacted with any form of Zamasu outside of briefly meeting Goku Black or killing Present Zamasu and who was quite literally a timeline and multiverse away from the epicenter of Zamasu's presence, is not a good judge for Zamasu's power. Beerus in the tournament of power, however, is sitting in the very ring Jiren is releasing his power. There's barely a similiarity between the two events.Matthew Schroeder said:
And that's wrong. Many of the gods of the destruction--mostly including the ones not involved in the tournament of power but including Mosco, Helles, Quitela, and Champa--don't appear that flummoxed by Jiren's power.
Beerus is as strong or stronger than Champa. He's worried about Goku fighting Jiren when he makes the "Is this really the energy from just one warrior," comment, not about his own prospect of fighting Jiren.
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We have no way to know what's intended of Jiren until the arc is over. Golden Frieza and Hit were introduced after the Battle of Gods arc. They aren't stronger than Beerus, and we know that after their arcs are over.
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Beerus and Whis could still feel zamasu's power and no, they could feel him in the presence.
Also shin was there, he knew the extent of zamasu's.
Also shin was there, he knew the extent of zamasu's.
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They aren't in the same timeline, same multiverse, or same dimension as Infinite Zamasu. Prove why that's equivalent to being in the same dimension--a few hundred yards away, in fact--with Jiren.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
"This power feels different from anything we've faced before."
Prove why feels different = more powerful.
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Youd have a point if zamasu wasnt already leaking into the presense.
Which Beerus states right after.
Also different in that context means different in power as in he's above them. Especially since shins literal next line is about Jirens being strong, plain and simple.
Which Beerus states right after.
Also different in that context means different in power as in he's above them. Especially since shins literal next line is about Jirens being strong, plain and simple.
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That doesn't prove that the two situations are comparable.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Which could just mean that Jiren doesn't use God Ki and instead has a lot of regular ki. Again, prove why feels different = more powerful.
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What? Your reasoning why it's not comparable is because Zamasu wasn't in the universe, timeline or multivers, yet he actually was in regards to all 3.
That's factually incorrect, your reasoning is flawed if not blatantly false.
Second, because.in the context of that scene different does mean power especially since Shin, no less than 5 seconds later cements the fact he's talking about power.
That's factually incorrect, your reasoning is flawed if not blatantly false.
Second, because.in the context of that scene different does mean power especially since Shin, no less than 5 seconds later cements the fact he's talking about power.
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I think Ultra-Instinct Goku is stronger than SSB Vegito, which UI Goku < Jiren to this date, yet, the full extent of Jiren's power is still not shown
But, Infinite Zamasu is should be stronger than even the likes of Jiren as he was gradually "infected" every existences and timelines, and heavily implied will be turning into Omnipresent (which even Zen-Oh was implied to be incapable of erasing Omnipresent being, so far he can't erase a universe with different timeline, even not knowing about the presence of another Zen-Oh at different parallel world / timeline), and the only one capable of erasing all existence instantly in one timeline is Zen-Oh, I think not even Grand Priest will be able to erase Infinite Zamasu at that time.
But, Infinite Zamasu is should be stronger than even the likes of Jiren as he was gradually "infected" every existences and timelines, and heavily implied will be turning into Omnipresent (which even Zen-Oh was implied to be incapable of erasing Omnipresent being, so far he can't erase a universe with different timeline, even not knowing about the presence of another Zen-Oh at different parallel world / timeline), and the only one capable of erasing all existence instantly in one timeline is Zen-Oh, I think not even Grand Priest will be able to erase Infinite Zamasu at that time.
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If I remember he only said that because he didn't know how the battle between Goku and Beerus went. After all he only knew they fought and that's it.
It was also more of a self question rather than a statement.
Also, Shin is reliable? You know the same person who thought Vegeta and Goku would get their ass kicked by those weaklings that worked for Babidi?
He also thought he can beat Majin buu. Not to mention all what happen with Gohan and the Z sword.
It was also more of a self question rather than a statement.
Also, Shin is reliable? You know the same person who thought Vegeta and Goku would get their ass kicked by those weaklings that worked for Babidi?
He also thought he can beat Majin buu. Not to mention all what happen with Gohan and the Z sword.
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We went through that already.
Shin and his thoughts on Goku and Vegeta getting theur ass kicked by Babdidi has been duscused already.
And the main dufference between those and now, Shin knew how powerful Zanasu was.
Shin and his thoughts on Goku and Vegeta getting theur ass kicked by Babdidi has been duscused already.
And the main dufference between those and now, Shin knew how powerful Zanasu was.
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And yet he was there, seen his powers, can clearly sense him considering he has universal+ clairvoyance, just to a lesser degree than Elder Kai.
So yeah, in this case Shin is reliable.
So yeah, in this case Shin is reliable.
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He didn't see Zamasu affecting the current time line so no he doesn't know his true powers.
Also, the elder Kai always laughs on shin saying how he is an amateur and is always wrong about something or simply doesn't understand.
Shin is the least reliable character in the series considering he made tons of mistakes over and over again, but whatever it's none of my problems.
Also, the elder Kai always laughs on shin saying how he is an amateur and is always wrong about something or simply doesn't understand.
Shin is the least reliable character in the series considering he made tons of mistakes over and over again, but whatever it's none of my problems.
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If those mistakes are the Goku and Vegeta vs majins ones I suggest ya find a better example, since thats not gonna cut it. Also ya don't think he wouldn't of found out, hell I think it was even brought up in front of him when they returned.
And elder Kai enjoys it, hell as of an episode ago, he called shin out on not knowing about ultra instinct despite not knowing about it either, hes just teasing him.
And elder Kai enjoys it, hell as of an episode ago, he called shin out on not knowing about ultra instinct despite not knowing about it either, hes just teasing him.
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