Dragon Ball Vegito resistance addition, or whatever

[Omegabronic]

There actually isn't, it's one technique,it's called barrier, both 17's and vegeto's version are under the same technique with the same principle

can you show proof for this? they don't look similar at all

Still just barrier, Vegeta does it as well once lavender faces him,

that one is specifically noted to have been created specifically to combat lavender's ability, not a good example

Uhm, all basic ki blasts are literally treated as the same, it why anyone above super buu can also punch a hole in space-time, Goku with a destructo disk will absolutely scale to why krillin can do with it, but not I've versa because Goku scales above krillin

there's a difference between basic energy blasts and advanced energy techniques with additional haxes to them

 

[Flashlight237]

Yeah, that seems about right.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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there's a difference between basic energy blasts and advanced energy techniques with additional haxes to them

But Vegito barrier don't have any additional hax.

 

[Omegabronic]

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But Vegito barrier don't have any additional hax.

it protected him from absorption, did it not? that isn't something stablished as being possible with barriers before, therefore it is a new ability shown by his barrier that others didn't demonstrate

 

[Fezzih_007]

Damn, i actually din't expect you to say this so early. Or at all. Tch.

it protected him from absorption, did it not? that isn't something stablished as being possible with barriers before, therefore it is a new ability shown by his barrier that others didn't demonstrate

Ok. I mean, that still don't mean is special to him. Like, instead of thinking "Vegito can use a special barrier that totally counters Buu absorption, that he developed" you can think "Vegito is showing a new way Ki Barriers can use". Like, the Ki Blade he uses, which a bunch of characters in Super later uses. But ignoring that, using the former way of thinking is kinda problamatic.

The first being that Vegito Ki Barrier is never treated as something special, or that have some of sorta of special ability so we can assume that his barrier Is special.

Because you know, with him being 1 hour old, is very unlike for him to have make a special type of barrier against Buu Absorption without training to counter the ability. He don't have time to developed a ability like that. If you want to argue he made on the fly, like sure, but you overcomplicated things for no reason. 2 point.

The second is the way he using It. The Barrier Is protecting Vegito body of being absorbed. So why would't others characters able to do the same exactly? How Vegito did It is very simple, so It should be pretty cut and clear to others characters to do the same.

And third

that isn't something stablished as being possible with barriers before

So Buu has shown the ability to absorb for like, 6 or 7 chapters now. And later on, he never tried absorbing anyone. So like, when It would be estabilish that barries can protect from barriers before? Cell? It could, but the Androids got caught off guard before they could do anything so that's Impossible.
There's not a point on the story that It could stablish that, besides here, when a character know about the absorbing power, and he shows that barriers could protect him.

That's why i think the latter form of thinking is better than the former due to Occam's Razor.

 

[Omegabronic]

Damn, i actually din't expect you to say this so early. Or at all. Tch.

Ok. I mean, that still don't mean is special to him. Like, instead of thinking "Vegito can use a special barrier that totally counters Buu absorption, that he developed" you can think "Vegito is showing a new way Ki Barriers can use". Like, the Ki Blade he uses, which a bunch of characters in Super later uses. But ignoring that, using the former way of thinking is kinda problamatic.

The first being that Vegito Ki Barrier is never treated as something special, or that have some of sorta of special ability so we can assume that his barrier Is special.

it is visually very different from any other barrier we ever saw, why is the default assumption that it is a normal barrier when it doesn't look even remotely similar one at all? and it is treated as special since it is what allowed him to be protected against Buuhan's absorption

Because you know, with him being 1 hour old, is very unlike for him to have make a special type of barrier against Buu Absorption without training to counter the ability. He don't have time to developed a ability like that. If you want to argue he made on the fly, like sure, but you overcomplicated things for no reason. 2 point.

he has Goku's and Vegeta's skill, Goku thinking of new moves on the fly is actually pretty normal all things considered, it would explain why it looks so different from every barrier prior to this moment

The second is the way he using It. The Barrier Is protecting Vegito body of being absorbed. So why would't others characters able to do the same exactly? How Vegito did It is very simple, so It should be pretty cut and clear to others characters to do the same.

him using the barrier to protect himself serves as proof that others can do the same? how does the former proves the later? i don't follow

So Buu has shown the ability to absorb for like, 6 or 7 chapters now. And later on, he never tried absorbing anyone. So like, when It would be estabilish that barries can protect from barriers before? Cell? It could, but the Androids got caught off guard before they could do anything so that's Impossible.

There's not a point on the story that It could stablish that, besides here, when a character know about the absorbing power, and he shows that barriers could protect him.

i mean, that doesn't prove that it always had this capability or that all inherently have it

That's why i think the latter form of thinking is better than the former due to Occam's Razor.

does that really work when it looks completely different from any other barrier ever seen prior in the series?

 

[Fezzih_007]

it is visually very different from any other barrier we ever saw, why is the default assumption that it is a normal barrier when it doesn't look even remotely similar one at all?

does that really work when it looks completely different from any other barrier ever seen prior in the series?

it would explain why it looks so different from every barrier prior to this moment

The only real diference is that the barrier is surrounding his body and is tiny, instead of being a sphere of energy.
We can say that he made that way so Buu won't notice it, if he made a big ass barrier, Buu would either not absorbs him due to the energy blocking it, or noticed way sooner. Vegito is cleary being sneaky here, so he don't want that, so it makes sense for him to shrink down the thing.
So the visual diference makes sense.

and it is treated as special since it is what allowed him to be protected against Buuhan's absorption

I mean, the story don't treat the Ki Barrier as a special ability that he have, is just treat as him doing a normal energy barrier.

he has Goku's and Vegeta's skill, Goku thinking of new moves on the fly is actually pretty normal all things considered

Yeah, he usually makes new martial artist moves and energy attacks on the fly, but i pretty sure he never have a instance when he developed a counter to a ability he never trained against it before trought.
It also not really my point, i said you can argue, yes, but the argument is just overcomplicating things for no reason, when using the simple solution - of saying that Barrier don't have anything special and just a normal, but shrink out, ki barrier - makes more sense.

him using the barrier to protect himself serves as proof that others can do the same? how does the former proves the later? i don't follow

Ok then.
Well, when Vegito uses the Ki Barrier that protects his body, Buu can't absorb him due to the protection.
Now, character A does the same. Why character A would't be able to do the same, when his using the same method?
That's my my point.

i mean, that doesn't prove that it always had this capability or that all inherently have it

I not trying to do that in this reply, i saying your point of never being estabilsh before that Ki Barriers can protect the user for being absorbed don't work, since it never had a point on the story when that could have estabilish, besides here, it does estabilsh now.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[LordGriffin1000]

So I'm fine with resistance for Vegito, the issue for Goku and Vegeta individually is that they haven't displayed a barrier in the similar manner as Vegito. Now, I get the argument that it's not treated as anything special, it's just seemingly a simple ki barrier. However, I think the issue simply stems from the fact that it's a new character (a fusion between to individuals through special items) who gained tremendous power, so who's to say he could not have gained a barrier that would allow him resist the full absorption process?

Again, I can see that it's possible for it to just be something that could apply to just standard ki barriers but it's all do to not much information given. So I'm fine with Vegito and possibly Goku and Vegeta but that's it.

 

[Fezzih_007]

However, I think the issue simply stems from the fact that it's a new character (a fusion between to individuals through special items) who gained tremendous power, so who's to say he could not have gained a barrier that would allow him resist the full absorption process?

The fact is never said that is the case.

Again, I can see that it's possible for it to just be something that could apply to just standard ki barriers but it's all do to not much information given. So I'm fine with Vegito and possibly Goku and Vegeta but that's it.

Sure okay.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

So I'm fine with resistance for Vegito, the issue for Goku and Vegeta individually is that they haven't displayed a barrier in the similar manner as Vegito.

They did, in the TOP, they made a skin tight barrier which protected them from Poison, gohan can do it too as he and Goku thought up the best method to counter lavender was via the barrier, Vegeta figured it out on his own.

Now, I get the argument that it's not treated as anything special, it's just seemingly a simple ki barrier. However, I think the issue simply stems from the fact that it's a new character (a fusion between to individuals through special items) who gained tremendous power, so who's to say he could not have gained a barrier that would allow him resist the full absorption process?

Because the story doesn't treat it that way, literally, as you said, it's a simple ki barrier

Again, I can see that it's possible for it to just be something that could apply to just standard ki barriers but it's all do to not much information given. So I'm fine with Vegito and possibly Goku and Vegeta but that's it.

Understood

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[LordGriffin1000]

They did, in the TOP, they made a skin tight barrier which protected them from Poison, gohan can do it too as he and Goku thought up the best method to counter lavender was via the barrier, Vegeta figured it out on his own.

That's in the future... Them displaying years later isn't evidence of them having it in the past.

Because the story doesn't treat it that way, literally, as you said, it's a simple ki barrier

Visually it's a simple barrier but when things start showing properties that go beyond the norm, it could stand out, although that isn't always the case. That's why I'm not completely against it, just noting the potential problems people would have

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Probably the strangest thing I've heard all day.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

That's in the future... Them displaying years later isn't evidence of them having it in the past.

I think there's a misunderstanding, I was not suggesting that dbz Goku and co get it, but their dbs versions

Visually it's a simple barrier but when things start showing properties that go beyond the norm, it could stand out, although that isn't always the case. That's why I'm not completely against it, just noting the potential problems people would have

I mean,only people who have shown the barrier technique and are stronger than vegito would be qualified for it, that's not a long list

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[LordDestroit10K]

So, Vegetto, or Vegirot for some people, is fighting Majin Buu (Gohan Absorbed), and he is just smacking him around.
So Majin Buu (Gohan Absorbed) seeing no other option because he used all his arsenal of abilities not really, but Vegetto would outchad everthing trow at him decides to uses his trump card, his absorption powers.

Homever, Vegetto as expecting that and egging Buu to do so. so when Buu tries to absorb Gogeta but less cool (Imagine being a grow ass man using earrings lol)

In the last second, he put a Ki Barrier around him and the chapter ends...

The next chapter

Is turns out by using a ki barrier, he as able to avoid getting absorbed by Buu. He plans as actually to get absorbed so he can search Gohan and the others.
You may question "How the hell did he know he could do that?" and "Why din't he just kill Buu and revived everyone with the Dragon balls later?" and that's great question and i glad you asked.

Anyway, i proposing Vegetto and everyone comparable to him who can use energy barriers get resistance to absorption or Power Absorption by using Ki Barrier.


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Votes:
Agree: RenderGK (Agree for Vegito, Goku and Vegeta, unsure about everyone else) thetechmaster36(Agree with Power Absorption), Bernkastelll (Agree with possibly(?)), LuffyRuffy46307 (It seems good) Rutæhh (Agree with Power Absorption) Damage3245👑(Agree only for Vegito) SamanPatou (Agree with Limited resistance only for Vegito) Flashlight237, [B]LordGriffin1000 👑 [/B](Agree for Vegito, and possibly for Goku and Vegeta)

Dissagre:
Neutral:

Seems logical for me

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[LordGriffin1000]

I think there's a misunderstanding, I was not suggesting that dbz Goku and co get it, but their dbs versions

I see, my mistake.

I mean,only people who have shown the barrier technique and are stronger than vegito would be qualified for it, that's not a long list

Doesn't really change the point, be it 10 or just 1 character in my opinion.

It seems like everyone is fine with Vegito getting it but it's mixed for Goku/Vegeta and everyone else. This should be fine to apply to Vegito's page at least.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, i got some time now, i gonna apply this to Vegito the pages.
I gonna go with Limited resistance for now

Edit: nevermind, I can't edit anymore since I can't use my PC.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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Not busy anymore.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Why haven't you applied this by now? You got three agreements for Vegito having the resistance.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why haven't you applied this by now? You got three agreements for Vegito having the resistance.

I did.
I am bump to see If I can get enough agrees for everyone else getting the resistance now.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[Fezzih_007]

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I ain't gonna lie to you just let it go, focus on getting other threads going

 

[Livinmeme]

Just because somebody has the capability, does not mean we should treat them as having the ability.

In general, I think it's better when scaling abilities to actually look at what a character does rather than what we can speculate them to do based on what other characters can do.

To give an example, John Wick has Explosion Manipulation and Fire Manipulation on his page because he has used explosives and incendiary ammunition. In theory, anyone on Earth has this capability. You or I, or any random if we get our hands on explosives or incendiary ammunition could do this. But just because we have the capability to trigger an explosion if we get that equipment, doesn't mean we have the ability to do so.

To give an example from in-verse, anyone can do the Fusion Dance. Everyone has that capability if they know how to do it. But we don't add Fusionism to every single character; only the ones who have shown it.

So yes, while in theory we can say "X character is stronger / more skilled than Vegito, so we should give them this ability too", in practice I really think this is a bad idea.

There are exceptions to this; racial abilities which are possessed by default by all members of a group such as all Saiyans being able to transform into an Oozaru if they've got a tail. Something like that, can be scaled because it's universal. Skill-based abilities of certain ranks like how in One Piece it is stated that all Vice Admirals know how to use Haki, so we can assume that if someone is introduced as a Vice Admiral, that they can therefore use Haki even if they have no feats of it, etc.

Shouldn't that give be a possibly rating for everyone who has reached a good enough ki control/power, due to the ambigiouity of it is applies to everyone, or it Is just a Vegetto thing.....Also I hate that we are arguing if Vegetto is resistant to vore

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also I hate that we are arguing if Vegetto is resistant to vore

As a Vore researcher, I have to say you are incorrect in categorize Buu absorption as Vore.
Vore is more...

I ain't gonna lie to you just let it go, focus on getting other threads going

Sure, can you close this then? I do It for everyone later then.

Also, gonna make another CRT anyway.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with limited Resistance only for Vegito.

 

[Livinmeme]

Well...I forgot to vote so....I agree with limited resistance to absorption (it should be specified that he only resists an specific type, and only with his aura), and possible resistance to absorption to those who have better ki control than vegetto

 

[Fezzih_007]

Agree with limited Resistance only for Vegito.

Why?

 

[AwkguyDB]

bump

can this be added and closed?