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Honkai: Welt profile rework

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This thread will focus exclusively on Welt Yang's profile rework, as I personally believe it is necessary.
This is the current profile: Welt Yang (old)
This is the proposed new one: Welt Yang (new)

Why is it necessary?
To put it simply, the current version is a composite of his Honkai Impact self (which in this new profile will be referred to as "Herrscher of Reason") and his Honkai: Star Rail self (which will be referred to as "Pathstrider"). As it stands, it almost seems like he still has access to the Authority of Reason and Honkai Energy at Herrscher levels during the events of HSR, despite this not being true, and viceversa it look like he possess the abilities of a Pathstrider in HI, which is also not the case.
With this rework, the two will be separated into different keys to reflect this.

What changes with the stats?
Most of the statistics remain the same, and this is because the two keys mostly scale to each other, with his HoR self being referred to as his "heyday", but his Pathstrider self is not significantly inferior to it. Nonetheless, there are some important changes that will occur in other non-physical aspects.
His HoR key will scale to High 1-C not only with the Star of Eden (as he already does in the profile) but also with the Authority of Reason. This is due to the Imaginary Barrier of Sirin tanking attacks from the Star of Eden, yet Welt could empower himself to physically breach it, and the army created with his Reason Manifest could crack it, which enables it to scale to the SoE, if not even higher.
This also means that Imaginary Barriers, as a whole, will now scale to High 1-C. As previously stated, the Imaginary Barrier created by Sirin tanked attacks from the Star of Eden, confirming its High 1-C status, and Welt's Imaginary Barrier was also able to block Ryusuke's higher-dimensional attacks, rendering dimensional weapons ineffective against it. Thus, Welt gains High 1-C Durability with his own Imaginary Barrier, and if eventually a profile for Sirin will be made she will also have that listed under her Durability.
On the other hand, his Pathstrider key will receive a downgrade. This is mainly because his cane (which is the Star of Eden) is a replica of the original, and while the replicas created with the Authority of Reason have feats that place them at High 1-C, this specific one does not possess dimensional feats of the same scale. Therefore, until more information is provided about it or it demonstrates impressive feats, the SoE in his Pathstrider key will be listed as "Unknown".

What changes in the P&A?
As already stated, the abilities shown by him in the two games will be separated into his two keys. His HoR key will lack any mentions of the abilities of the Paths, while his Pathstrider key will not have the Authority of Reason and the Honkai Energy at Herrscher levels. However, the shared abilities will remain, and in particular, both keys will have access to the Star of Eden and its P&A, with the Pathstrider key simply lacking its AP but retaining its powers just fine. He will also still be able to use Honkai Energy, but only throught the SoE itself rather then him physically, but wont be listed in the profile since HE is already in the P&A of the Divine Key itself.
Some more abilities will also be added to his Authority of Reason, but for the details about those you can check the sandbox itself. I mainly focused my efforts on his HoR key since the HI3 side of the verse is the one I know better and it was the part of the profile that was mostly lacking. If there are adjustments to be made for his Pathstrider key (either to expand on current justifications or to add new abilities), I will leave those to people who have more knowledge about that than I do.

This should be it. Hopefully, this shouldn't be too controversial. Thanks to @Shiroiyo for providing feedback on the draft and to the entire group that is working hard to revise the verse.
 
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why does welt in hsr version still have the same speed as he did in hi3 version?

is there a feat that supports if welt's speed is still the same? does he still have his prime condition in hsr like in hi3?
 
why does welt in hsr version still have the same speed as he did in hi3 version?

is there a feat that supports if welt's speed is still the same? does he still have his prime condition in hsr like in hi3?
he cross scales to hsr with his current profile
 
he cross scales to hsr with his current profile
I mean, if the profiles are separated like this, shouldn't we also pay attention to the statistical differences, especially speed, between the hsr and hi3 versions?
 
I would say that the spatial hax would be better being NPI since Welt describes them as being voids, and we currently accept Sirin's stuff being void/cm manipulation as well.

Other than that, the commas/periods come after and not before the <refs>, I can fix this later or when the revision is applied, apart from that the profile is much better and I agree with this revision.
 
Now this is a real work, however, why he lose his HI3rd abilities??, i can understand he lost his Herrschers ability, but he should retain Honkai energy?, especially he still use Star of Eden (of course it is a fake but), SoE use Honkai Energy
 
why does welt in hsr version still have the same speed as he did in hi3 version?

is there a feat that supports if welt's speed is still the same? does he still have his prime condition in hsr like in hi3?
Either way if he doesn't, HSR casts are still Immeasurable due to scaling from other characters. Just use speed equalization ngl if you want to make a matchup with them
 
Either way if he doesn't, HSR casts are still Immeasurable due to scaling from other characters. Just use speed equalization ngl if you want to make a matchup with them
what are you talking about? i'm not discussing character battles here
 
what are you talking about? i'm not discussing character battles here
So then why do you care so much about the speed rating if in the end we're gonna be using speed equalization in the first place?
Like I said, the entire hsr cast are still immeasurable with or without welt.
There's literally a reason why the rule exists, I kinda don't get why you're saying that cause if an immeasurable character is far weaker than before, it doesn't disqualify him as immeasurable, no?

It's the same logic if a character whose speed rating is MFTL+, and in the next key he's weaker than before, it's still MFTL+

Welt's immeasurable rating is above Sirin at the least, if he's weaker than before then he's equal to Sirin at that time or he's weaker, that doesn't debunk the Immeasurable rating except if you make a downgrade thread altogether (HI3 and HSR)
 
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So then why do you care so much about the speed rating if in the end we're gonna be using speed equalization in the first place?
Like I said, the entire hsr cast are still immeasurable with or without welt.
There's literally a reason why the rule exists, I kinda don't get why you're saying that cause if an immeasurable character is far weaker than before, it doesn't disqualify him as immeasurable, no?

It's the same logic if a character whose speed rating is MFTL+, and in the next key he's weaker than before, it's still MFTL+
i don't understand what you are talking about, i just asked for the justification of speed welt in hsr.
and yeah wait until the downgrade thread is there, then we can debate there
 
i don't understand what you are talking about, i just asked for the justification of speed welt in hsr.
and yeah wait until the downgrade thread is there, then we can debate there
???
There's no downgrade thread, immeasurable is legit.
Welt's immeasurable rating is above Sirin at the least, if he's weaker than before then he's equal to Sirin at that time or he's weaker, that doesn't debunk the Immeasurable rating except if you make a downgrade thread altogether (HI3 and HSR)
 
I would say that the spatial hax would be better being NPI since Welt describes them as being voids, and we currently accept Sirin's stuff being void/cm manipulation as well.
Seems fair, then I will modify that part accordingly in the afternoon.

Now this is a real work, however, why he lose his HI3rd abilities??, i can understand he lost his Herrschers ability, but he should retain Honkai energy?, especially he still use Star of Eden (of course it is a fake but), SoE use Honkai Energy
I should probably specify that he will still be able to access and use Honkai Energy even in his Pathstrider key, just not physically but by using the Star of Eden. Since HE is a default in the P&A of the SoE, I feel like there is no need to also list it in Welt's profile, since from what we know he himself shouldn't have it anymore after the events of HI3. I will add this to the OP since you are technically correct.

Anyways about the thread, I agree yeah. But some typos could be fixed like the last word in AP's section
Damn it, I even passed the whole thing through a grammar checker and some typos still passed through 😔
Well, when I get to the computer later in the afternoon I will try to see if I can fix some.
 
what about resistance to Honkai Energy??
I personally don't think he should have that since resistance to Honkai comes from Honkai adaptability, which there is no evidence he still has, and I am personally not that big of a fan to give Honkai Energy/resistence to it to anything outside of the SoE considering that Honkai isn't widespread anymore after the events of HI3. However, I am open to add that if other thinks that it should be added, it should be a minor edit to the draft.
 
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