Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Voidnether]

he didnt slime shit btw

Scoops you want me to list all the moments when you larped about the standards and I was genuinely crashing out

 

[SuperNova55555]

What did Yumiella do to bro...

 

[Voidnether]

What did Yumiella do to bro...

Weakest 1-A character

 

[Mbpoops]

Yumiella ain't Immeasurable Speed ggs

what does this prove exactly..? Unknown can be used for any tier except 0

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Yumiella ain't Immeasurable Speed ggs

Idk shit about Yumiella, but if she is 1-A physically, then she should be Immeasurable in speed.

 

[Voidnether]

Idk shit about Yumiella, but if she is 1-A physically, then she should be Immeasurable in speed.

Unironically listed as unknown so yeah

 

[Mbpoops]

Scoops you want me to list all the moments when you larped about the standards and I was genuinely crashing out

list them.

 

[Voidnether]

list them.

Remember that one moment when you told me why quantitative based stuff is more restrictive than a qualitative one? You didn't cook with this btw

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Unironically listed as unknown so yeah

Profiles can be wrong. Crazy I know.

 

[Mbpoops]

Remember that one moment when you told me why quantitative based stuff is more restrictive than a qualitative one? You didn't cook with this btw

?

 

[Voidnether]

Profiles can be wrong. Crazy I know.

Yea so rq quote the standards that all 1-A characters are immediately Immeasurable speed because that's definitely not the case and the standards are nowhere to be seen

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Yea so rq quote the standards that all 1-A characters are immediately Immeasurable speed because that's definitely not the case and the standards are nowhere to be seen

Can you explain to me, logically, how a character that is physically "bigger" than all possible material composition can be anywhere below Immeasurable speed?

There is even a staff thread where they want to reintroduce Irrelevant speed for cases like this.

 

[Voidnether]

Can you explain to me, logically, how a character that is physically "bigger" than all possible material composition can be anywhere below Immeasurable speed?

Because being bigger than all possible material composition doesn't equal in it breaking the speed formula, it's this simple unless the Immeasurable stuff is similar to TOAA or some shit that you can just read in his justification

There is even a staff thread where they want to reintroduce Irrelevant speed for cases like this.

This is not accepted yet, and it's more like Transcendent Speed instead of Irrelevant Speed + this was introduced because non 1-A immeasurable characters were losing to literal Sonic LMFAO

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Because being bigger than all possible material composition doesn't equal in it breaking the speed formula

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Is the HSR discussion thread now becoming a thread on 1-A standards and Umineko?

 

[Mbpoops]

Is the HSR discussion thread now becoming a thread on 1-A standards and Umineko?

you know nothing about the honkai

 

[Voidnether]

It isn't, really:

Immeasurable when manifesting a form (Sees all of creation and beyond from a perspective in which it appears as a comic book, and is able to act on and interact with events from multiple points in the narrative simultaneously)

This is the kind of shit you'd need to get Immeasurable Speed as an 1-A character.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

It isn't, really:

This is the kind of shit you'd need to get Immeasurable Speed as an 1-A character.

So, like, the basic requirements all 1-A characters follow to be 1-A in the first place. Got it.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It isn't, really:

This is the kind of shit you'd need to get Immeasurable Speed as an 1-A character.

1-A is auto immeasurable as they are beyond the speed formula by their very nature (qualitatively beyond distance and time). Stop being dense.

 

[Voidnether]

So, like, the basic requirements all 1-A characters follow to be 1-A in the first place. Got it.

But not all 1-A's do that, don't they?

1-A is auto immeasurable as they are beyond the speed formula by their very nature (qualitatively beyond distance and time). Stop being dense.

Quote the standards rn lmao that says this, at best it's auto Infinite Speed and I could quote this shit up from the Tiering System FAQ AND YOU ONLY NEED TO BE HIGH 1-B FOR AUTO INFINITE SPEED, you don't even need 1-A, like genuinely here I'll give you;

Plus, it should be noted that whose physical bodies land at High 1-B and higher get Infinite Speed by default, as any non-negligible movement across an infinite number of dimensions entails moving an infinite distance.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

But not all 1-A's do that, don't they?

A 1-A character or realm, on the other hand, fundamentally surpasses lower states of existence, with their sheer superiority not being expressible as the sum, union or permutation of anything in these lesser states. They, in other words, transcend lower existences to the point that those vanish into nothingness.

Quoting yourself:

This is the kind of shit you'd need to get Immeasurable Speed as an 1-A character.

Immeasurable when manifesting a form (Sees all of creation and beyond from a perspective in which it appears as a comic book, and is able to act on and interact with events from multiple points in the narrative simultaneously)

So you basically conceded the point.

 

[Mbpoops]

But not all 1-A's do that, don't they?

Quote the standards rn lmao that says this, at best it's auto Infinite Speed and I could quote this shit up from the Tiering System FAQ AND YOU ONLY NEED TO BE HIGH 1-B FOR AUTO INFINITE SPEED, you don't even need 1-A

but we're talking about immeasurable speed. not infinite.

1-A characters are qualitatively superior to the speed formula and thus their being is beyond the speed formula. pretty simple

 

[Voidnether]

Quoting yourself:





So you basically conceded the point.

Notice how;
1. Not all 1-A characters are Immeasurable, per Yumiella and the profile Castorice linked
2. It has to be a very specific situation where they are actually shown to do it, such as The One Above All and get Immeasurable Speed

but we're talking about immeasurable speed. not infinite.

1-A characters are qualitatively superior to the speed formula and thus their being is beyond the speed formula. pretty simple

Except this was nowhere mentioned in the standards itself

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

1. Not all 1-A characters are Immeasurable, per Yumiella and the profile Castorice linked

Profiles can be wrong. Crazy I know.

 

[Voidnether]

Aight so you wouldn't mind right rq if I revised Akuto's speed section to have both Immeasurable and Omnipresence at the same time in its The Afterlife key including Void Body since VB is listed as Unknown rn

Cause the implications are stupid, this guy is apparently only Omnipresent with like Hypersonic speed and shit

The Afterlife = 1-A
Void Body = High 1-A

 

[Mbpoops]

Notice how;
1. Not all 1-A characters are Immeasurable, per Yumiella and the profile Castorice linked

why is it being indexed unknown a problem? it coukd be immobile or immeasurable we dont know thats why its unknown lol

2. It has to be a very specific situation where they are actually shown to do it, such as The One Above All and get Immeasurable Speed

huh..?

Except this was nowhere mentioned in the standards itself

why does that matter..? do you see any profile with a measurable speed? (infinite and below)

 

[Mbpoops]

Aight so you wouldn't mind right rq if I revised Akuto's speed section to have both Immeasurable and Omnipresence at the same time in its The Afterlife key including Void Body since VB is listed as Unknown rn

Cause the implications are stupid, this guy is apparently only Omnipresent with like Hypersonic speed and shit

The Afterlife = 1-A
Void Body = High 1-A

why would he need immeasurable speed if he exists everywhere...

pointless indexing him being omnipresent already means he exists everywhere

 

[Voidnether]

why would he need immeasurable speed if he exists everywhere...

pointless indexing him being omnipresent already means he exists everywhere

Speed: Omnipresent (Partakes in a state of pure unity, with no dichotomy or separation, with everything in existence being a reflection of them,[26] and the lower Sefirot being aspects and extensions of their existence.[27] The Below Place is stated to be everywhere at once, simultaneously an infinite distance away from creation and all around it, being "where everyone has always been,"[28][29] and The One Below All itself is described as a face of creation as a whole, "the one we can't bear to see"[30]), Immeasurable when manifesting a form (Sees all of creation and beyond from a perspective in which it appears as a comic book, and is able to act on and interact with events from multiple points in the narrative simultaneously[21])

? This is how TOAA is indexed.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Aight so you wouldn't mind right rq if I revised Akuto's speed section to have both Immeasurable and Omnipresence at the same time in its The Afterlife key including Void Body since VB is listed as Unknown rn

Cause the implications are stupid, this guy is apparently only Omnipresent with like Hypersonic speed and shit

The Afterlife = 1-A
Void Body = High 1-A

I mean, the 1-A tier for the Afterlife is wrong to begin with.

 

[Mbpoops]

? This is how TOAA is indexed.

huh

 

[Voidnether]

huh

Yeah it's like Omnipresence (insert justification here), Immeasurable (insert justification here)

I mean, the 1-A tier for the Afterlife is wrong to begin with.

But would you, like for the time being

 

[Mbpoops]

? This is how TOAA is indexed.

dawg hes manifesting a form ofc his true form is omnipresent but his manifestation has immeasurable

 

[Voidnether]

dawg hes manifesting a form ofc his true form is omnipresent but his manifestation has immeasurable

Alright so you don't mind right if I index his Void Body key from like Unknown to Immeasurable at the very least

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

But would you, like for the time being

This is a dumb question because I'm literally telling you that the rating is wrong. Like, what are you even trying to prove?

 

[Voidnether]

This is a dumb question because I'm literally telling you that the rating is wrong. Like, what are you even trying to prove?

1. I'm proving that if the thread passes, it literally meant that it's accepted for 1-A characters and above to have Immeasurable Speed which benefits you too.
2. I don't care if the rating is wrong, you can downgrade it after the Immeasurable Speed addition or whatever since the guy is 1-A to High 1-A currently.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nether genuinely what are you doing bro

 

[Mbpoops]

Alright so you don't mind right if I index his Void Body key from like Unknown to Immeasurable at the very least

I dont care about akuto sai make a crt on it ig

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

1. I'm proving that if the thread passes, it literally meant that it's accepted for 1-A characters and above to have Immeasurable Speed which benefits you too.
2. I don't care if the rating is wrong, you can downgrade it after the Immeasurable Speed addition or whatever since the guy is 1-A to High 1-A currently.

Do whatever you want. If you want to ridicule yourself for no reason, I’m not going to stop you.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Notice how;
1. Not all 1-A characters are Immeasurable, per Yumiella and the profile Castorice linked
2. It has to be a very specific situation where they are actually shown to do it, such as The One Above All and get Immeasurable Speed

Except this was nowhere mentioned in the standards itself

You're gonna be real embarrassed if you ask any of the staff who actually know 1-A.

 

[Mbpoops]

I still dont get why being indexed as unknown is a problem for 1-A lol