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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

how exactly?
What you're arguing for is that they can be Imaginary spaces those small little areas?
Ok.. how does that work?
HSR is showing how much it's contradicting HI3 right now
Not too mention, the idea of imaginary space hasn't even been brought up in HSR yet
So why we assuming or even headcanoning that it exists when we don't know yet?
Just because HI3 has it? That is a bad argument to be made.
 
. Saying how HI3 and HSR is way worse than SMT and Persona despite Persona barely acknowledging SMT's terminology in the slightest plus I love how you were unable to explain the all the terminologies they used for the Devil Survivor series.
Never said this actually. I just said persona has a more digestible story and themes than amphoreus i dont need to know all DDS/SMT/SH/PERSONA/Catherine fullbody terminology to enjoy one part of the franchise
Like you know HI3 and HSR's connections are more linear because HSR is explicitly the after-events of what happened after HI3, like it should be obvious that the Persona series especially Persona 4 & 5 barely had any correlations with SMT and if Persona 2 were deemed unusable for scaling because this is the only Persona series that had the strongest ties with SMT. Literally no one in Persona would even remotely scale to SMT, just stop bro
This honestly makes Honkai’s storytelling and writing worst. We know persona takes place chronologically the games are just self contained which is better because it doesnt **** up the cosmology. Honkai is constantly contradicting its own cosmology and we can see that by the fact you mfs keep trying to argue the hi3 tree is the 4D universe AFTER WE MADE A CRT CLARIFYING THE 2. Megaten does a better job at presenting its cosmology because the games dont blatantly contradict eachother like hoyo does its that simple its like ZZZ and genshin, sure they’re apart of the cosmology but they dont contradict already established parts of the cosmology unlike hsr so yea i would say megaten is better than honkai i didnt say that before but now that im being forced to argue which is better yes megaten does a far better job at not contradicting its cosmology than hoyo


Gave a half baked response earlier cus job can you tell me what my warning was now?
 
This honestly makes Honkai’s storytelling and writing worst. We know persona takes place chronologically the games are just self contained which is better because it doesnt **** up the cosmology. Honkai is constantly contradicting its own cosmology and we can see that by the fact you mfs keep trying to argue the hi3 tree is the 4D universe AFTER WE MADE A CRT CLARIFYING THE 2. Megaten does a better job at presenting its cosmology because the games dont blatantly contradict eachother like hoyo does its that simple its like ZZZ and genshin, sure they’re apart of the cosmology but they dont contradict already established parts of the cosmology unlike hsr so yea i would say megaten is better than honkai i didnt say that before but now that im being forced to argue which is better yes megaten does a far better job at not contradicting its cosmology than hoyo
And just so you dont take this out of context ill give you an example

mementos doesnt contradict the Tv world or tartarus’ existence it’s its own thing and none of them contradict eachother the only simularities they have are the collective unconcious

The imaginary tree theory contradicts the already established Hi3 imaginary tree by positing the imaginary tree is the physical universe (reality) while the hi3 tree is EXPLICITLY higher dimensional it is up to US to differentiate the 2 which shouldnt be how it works the verse should explain itself the different between reality and imaginary which they did very well in Hi3 but then Hsr (the sequel) contradicted it THATS A BIG ISSUE IN WRITING. Zzz and genshin dont have these problems because they are more self contained than hsr and hi3 which is why you see no one complaining abt genshin or zzz contradicting the tree and sea unlike hsr.
 
are you alr? each world we've visited is their own "universe"/leaf. they are seperated by the barriers.

what. the space between worlds is THE imaginary space.
It actually has various inconsistencies with it being Imaginary Space.

1. They're distinguished as Unknown Void Domains, or Imaginary Barriers. Specifically areas where there's a lot of raw imaginary energy. They're never called Imaginary Space.
2. We never see the aeons in these gaps despite them existing in Imaginary Space.
3. Visually not consistent with what's presented in Chapter 25-Ex of Honkai Impact.
4. A character with higher dimensional existence like Durandal would be able to access the Tree through these gaps if they were Imaginary Space, as they'd be able to move on coordinates 4D to 10D. (11D is a time dimension). This is also never shown.
5. Distance is never said or shown to be constantly shifting in these domains of Imaginary Energy, like it should be in all spaces greater than 4th Dimensionality.

The thing that matches up, destroying everything that enters, is a feature of large amounts of raw Imaginary Energy, as seen in Imaginary Space... or as a side effect of Imaginary Energy leaving from Imaginary Bleed, this is confirmed by Chapter 17 of Hi3. I genuinely just think that these areas are where reality is at its weakest and Imaginary Bleed is causing vast amounts of Imaginary Energy to leak in.
 
Where do I even start…

YOU were the one who started asking me to explain SMT stuff even though i said i never played SMT i should play them lowkey but my ps5 is at another house and icba to drive there
Hiiighly Recommend SMT V Vengeance. Its Goated

Though reminder, SMT is actually difficult and doesn't hold your hand.
 
The way Aha escaping the jobless allegations

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Never said this actually. I just said persona has a more digestible story and themes than amphoreus i dont need to know all DDS/SMT/SH/PERSONA/Catherine fullbody terminology to enjoy one part of the franchise

This honestly makes Honkai’s storytelling and writing worst. We know persona takes place chronologically the games are just self contained which is better because it doesnt **** up the cosmology. Honkai is constantly contradicting its own cosmology and we can see that by the fact you mfs keep trying to argue the hi3 tree is the 4D universe AFTER WE MADE A CRT CLARIFYING THE 2. Megaten does a better job at presenting its cosmology because the games dont blatantly contradict eachother like hoyo does its that simple its like ZZZ and genshin, sure they’re apart of the cosmology but they dont contradict already established parts of the cosmology unlike hsr so yea i would say megaten is better than honkai i didnt say that before but now that im being forced to argue which is better yes megaten does a far better job at not contradicting its cosmology than hoyo


Gave a half baked response earlier cus job can you tell me what my warning was now?
And just so you dont take this out of context ill give you an example

mementos doesnt contradict the Tv world or tartarus’ existence it’s its own thing and none of them contradict eachother the only simularities they have are the collective unconcious

The imaginary tree theory contradicts the already established Hi3 imaginary tree by positing the imaginary tree is the physical universe (reality) while the hi3 tree is EXPLICITLY higher dimensional it is up to US to differentiate the 2 which shouldnt be how it works the verse should explain itself the different between reality and imaginary which they did very well in Hi3 but then Hsr (the sequel) contradicted it THATS A BIG ISSUE IN WRITING. Zzz and genshin dont have these problems because they are more self contained than hsr and hi3 which is why you see no one complaining abt genshin or zzz contradicting the tree and sea unlike hsr.
This gotta be the most nothingburger reply cause the only instance HSR retconned HI3 is when it said the Tree is unrivaled and that's literally it, they are the same Imaginary Tree and they don't contradict each other just because 1 said attribute isn't shown on the latter
 
Also, by the way. I don’t even fully believe IX is properly non-existent (i.e that it even has NEP1). To me it genuinely seems that it is being posited as a “Void” in a very similar fashion to how SoQ and IS are posited as “Voids”, which is to say IX realistically is js a chaotic space with negative entropy/a lowest-energy space that cannot possess definable materiality. Which, uh, isn’t actually NEP at all, as previously established.

Not that I’m actually planning on making a CRT on this without extensive elaboration in later patches, it’s still possible my theory can be wrong.
 
This gotta be the most nothingburger reply cause the only instance HSR retconned HI3 is when it said the Tree is unrivaled and that's literally it, they are the same Imaginary Tree and they don't contradict each other just because 1 said attribute isn't shown on the latter
Please go read nova’s staff crt and come back i dont even need to respond to this it speaks for itself.
 
This gotta be the most nothingburger reply cause the only instance HSR retconned HI3 is when it said the Tree is unrivaled and that's literally it, they are the same Imaginary Tree and they don't contradict each other just because 1 said attribute isn't shown on the latter
Because surely the same imaginary tree that exists outside of reality, is higher dimensional, infinitely transfinite and CONTAINS infinite universes.. is the universe… so again like i and many others have said its either the universe is 11D or the cosmology is 4D and ive talked to knowledgeable people abt this and it can only be the latter which im totally fine with btw if you mfs wanna keep saying they’re the same
 
Also, by the way. I don’t even fully believe IX is properly non-existent (i.e that it even has NEP1). To me it genuinely seems that it is being posited as a “Void” in a very similar fashion to how SoQ and IS are posited as “Voids”, which is to say IX realistically is js a chaotic space with negative entropy/a lowest-energy space that cannot possess definable materiality. Which, uh, isn’t actually NEP at all, as previously established.
Ix should stay, it's pretty blatant stated to be nothingness and represent as other side of coin of existence.

If you ask about imaginary space then yeah it's vague tbh to me, like dudu statement about Imaginary space being absolute nothingness, but what she refer literally only spesific region of IS that she recently passed, not it's the entirety which is weird. To me it just dimensionless place which lack of any structure.

Meanwhile SoQ is the true one representing chaotic
 
Ix should stay, it's pretty blatant stated to be nothingness and represent as other side of coin of existence.
The other side of existence here is explicitly negative entropy. I.e very low energy. It's the same shit told to us in regards to Imaginary Space; using buzzwords like "nothingness" won't cut it here. But whatever, I already said I wasn't planning on making a thread.

Also "Existence" here isn't properly "Being" rather than js Physicality/Reality
 
Because surely the same imaginary tree that exists outside of reality, is higher dimensional, infinitely transfinite and CONTAINS infinite universes.. is the universe… so again like i and many others have said its either the universe is 11D or the cosmology is 4D and ive talked to knowledgeable people abt this and it can only be the latter which im totally fine with btw if you mfs wanna keep saying they’re the same
Are you sure the tree that doesnt exist in reality, doesnt have the same properties as reality, already has infinite branches (timelines that are stretched to infinity) and rivals the 11D soq is just the physical (4D) universe (aka REALITY)… are you sure this doesnt get contradicted by herta’s anaology?
 
Can we actually get plot manip from this or just some enhanced fate manip
I mean, it's pretty blatant IM2 feats, and "script" Here refer to elio script

Therefore it just mention her emanator power could pontentially intervene with finality script, which also perhaps one of reason elio suggest her not to really use that power aside from the effect on herself.
 
The other side of existence here is explicitly negative entropy. I.e very low energy. It's the same shit told to us in regards to Imaginary Space; using buzzwords like "nothingness" won't cut it here. But whatever, I already said I wasn't planning on making a thread.

Also "Existence" here isn't properly "Being" rather than js Physicality/Reality
NEP welt einstein and tesla because they are anti entropy
 
Are you sure the tree that doesnt exist in reality, doesnt have the same properties as reality, already has infinite branches (timelines that are stretched to infinity) and rivals the 11D soq is just the physical (4D) universe (aka REALITY)… are you sure this doesnt get contradicted by herta’s anaology?

Im completely fine with nuking the verse to 2-C btw since you mfs wanna keep arguing ts thats already been/being addressed like we’ve made 2 whole crts clarifying the differences between the 2 and you’re still saying they’re the same
 
This gotta be the most nothingburger reply cause the only instance HSR retconned HI3 is when it said the Tree is unrivaled and that's literally it, they are the same Imaginary Tree and they don't contradict each other just because 1 said attribute isn't shown on the latter
What was my warning btw
 
I have a question. Does anyone have a scan showing that there are an infinite number of timelines (an infinite number of branches) in the physical world of Star Rail? I’m not talking about an infinite number of leaves, but an infinite number of branches.
 
I have a question. Does anyone have a scan showing that there are an infinite number of timelines (an infinite number of branches) in the physical world of Star Rail? I’m not talking about an infinite number of leaves, but an infinite number of branches.
 
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