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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

not even sure if thats valid atp, iirc feixiao claimed she cant best phantylia and we have mfs like phainon and zephyro being strongest lord ravagers and gased so much its insane (now imagine irontomb and phainon merged 💀💀)
When did Feixiao ever say that. Also that could do to the fact that Heiliobis are immortal and can only be sealed. Also she has countless bodies across the verse
 
When did Feixiao ever say that. Also that could do to the fact that Heiliobis are immortal and can only be sealed. Also she has countless bodies across the verse
words on the streets man, dw im still lazy to figure out the scaling, but im not giving high 3-A to everyone.
 
The satisfaction that I get man after knowing Wuthering Waves is basically Genshin Impact 2.0 because genuinely none of their abilities work outside Solaris-3 given it was apparently the Lament who turned the planet into a frequency rock sort type of thing.

Like, this has to be the best argument ever to pull whenever someone (whether ragebait or not) stated that Genshin Impact / Wuthering Waves beats the heck out of HSR like man 100% of your abilities are limited to your planet what do you mean ☠️☠️☠️
 
What’s gil gonna do?
Bringing out EA like that readily already is something because he considers Phainon a threat enough and acknowledges him being the goat.
Like, this has to be the best argument ever to pull whenever someone (whether ragebait or not) stated that Genshin Impact / Wuthering Waves beats the heck out of HSR like man 100% of your abilities are limited to your planet what do you mean ☠️☠️☠️
Who from Genshin exactly do they argue is a Star Rail slayer?
 
i got himeko instead of sparkle, i officialy hate harmony path and i hope celenova ******* destroys it alongside xipe.
 
What were the reasons for the downgrades? Translation errors? Simply being out of date? OR was there actually bad scaling before?
I just looked over it, but there were various reasons. Some were about the understanding of certain lore, like how real a simulation can be to be tiered as an actual construct and what is its actual scope, others were about having to accept certain elements of worldbuilding that directly limited any statements to certain levels (Like one that claimed that any usage of infinity was a metaphor for something that is beyond your ability to count, but that actual infinity does not exist, so most statements that mention infinity should be understood as "something very big that you can't comprehend"), and other stuff.

With HSR, I don't think any attempts to downgrade would go this deep since some feats are very clear in lore (Like the beast Dan Heng defeated that could eat whole stars), but I can expect the usual "downgrade attempts" for feats that feel too big, like galaxy destruction on the grounds of "it could take years until they destroy one" or "even planet destruction can be seen as too powerful, there's no way they all scale to galaxy".

I do think that some stuff can be easier to defend than others, but if I were even to compare to the average understanding of HSR, I wouldn't be surprised if most would be against such scaling (I remember some thinking it's unbelievable to think the Xianzhou Luofu can do anything close to destroying a planet)
 
I just looked over it, but there were various reasons. Some were about the understanding of certain lore, like how real a simulation can be to be tiered as an actual construct and what is its actual scope, others were about having to accept certain elements of worldbuilding that directly limited any statements to certain levels (Like one that claimed that any usage of infinity was a metaphor for something that is beyond your ability to count, but that actual infinity does not exist, so most statements that mention infinity should be understood as "something very big that you can't comprehend"), and other stuff.

With HSR, I don't think any attempts to downgrade would go this deep since some feats are very clear in lore (Like the beast Dan Heng defeated that could eat whole stars), but I can expect the usual "downgrade attempts" for feats that feel too big, like galaxy destruction on the grounds of "it could take years until they destroy one" or "even planet destruction can be seen as too powerful, there's no way they all scale to galaxy".

I do think that some stuff can be easier to defend than others, but if I were even to compare to the average understanding of HSR, I wouldn't be surprised if most would be against such scaling (I remember some thinking it's unbelievable to think the Xianzhou Luofu can do anything close to destroying a planet)
I see so it was mainly comprehension and interpretation of various statements, which on its own shouldn't have affected their scaling too much. But I suspect, like many verses on this thread, they essentially were argument stacking (much like calc stacking,) which is a very slippery slope.
 
We don't know that they have multiple paths just that they were previously Pathstriders of other Paths. It doesn't really make sense to be too types of Emanators simultaneously imo
i didnt say they are emanators of two paths but that alongside being emanator of destruction they posses power of another path, and are at least supposed to oppose the specific path they are against
 
I just looked over it, but there were various reasons. Some were about the understanding of certain lore, like how real a simulation can be to be tiered as an actual construct and what is its actual scope, others were about having to accept certain elements of worldbuilding that directly limited any statements to certain levels (Like one that claimed that any usage of infinity was a metaphor for something that is beyond your ability to count, but that actual infinity does not exist, so most statements that mention infinity should be understood as "something very big that you can't comprehend"), and other stuff.

With HSR, I don't think any attempts to downgrade would go this deep since some feats are very clear in lore (Like the beast Dan Heng defeated that could eat whole stars), but I can expect the usual "downgrade attempts" for feats that feel too big, like galaxy destruction on the grounds of "it could take years until they destroy one" or "even planet destruction can be seen as too powerful, there's no way they all scale to galaxy".

I do think that some stuff can be easier to defend than others, but if I were even to compare to the average understanding of HSR, I wouldn't be surprised if most would be against such scaling (I remember some thinking it's unbelievable to think the Xianzhou Luofu can do anything close to destroying a planet)
Well, to be honest, I think the galaxy level is too generalized in the characters' entries.


Firefly being galaxy level because she faced an Acheron that wasn't even close to fighting seriously, seems to me a good example.

The Emanators seem right to me to be galaxy, the narrative around them is built around being galaxy.

Dang heng seems to me another example of an exaggeration, galaxy for a conception that the vidyahara have of him, multigalaxy for defeating Nikador when it is textually stated that Nikador's power is planet according to midei.

In a downgrade I will be in favor of some things is what I mean.
 
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Where you do have my support is around the planet level which is very standardized in HSR.

Even the regular enemies of the herta station destroyed a planet in a side mission.
 
Well, to be honest, I think the galaxy level is too generalized in the characters' entries.


Firefly being galaxy level because he faced an Acheron that wasn't even close to fighting seriously, seems to me a good example.

The Emanators seem right to me to be galaxy, the narrative around them is built around being galaxy.

Dang heng seems to me another example of an exaggeration, galaxy for a conception that the vidyahara have of him, multigalaxy for defeating Nikador when it is textually stated that Nikador's power is planet according to midei.

In a downgrade I will be in favor of some things is what I mean.
they dont even scale bcs of that but because of funny multiplier slop and chainscaling, i already annoucent a crt for it so ig waiting is a good option
 
Well, to be honest, I think the galaxy level is too generalized in the characters' entries.


Firefly being galaxy level because he faced an Acheron that wasn't even close to fighting seriously, seems to me a good example.
Both were holding back.
The Emanators seem right to me to be galaxy, the narrative around them is built around being galaxy.

Dang heng seems to me another example of an exaggeration, galaxy for a conception that the vidyahara have of him, multigalaxy for defeating Nikador when it is textually stated that Nikador's power is planet according to midei.
First isnt even explained why is jt exaggeration, secondly he scales to 3C and 3B from already fighting emanators like Phantylia, and Mydei said Nikador strike can nuke WORLDS which is more than planet level
(Assuming he can destroy amphoreus, thats genuenly high 3-A because amphoreus is entire space time dimension)
 
Both were holding back.
Whether firefly was restrained or not, assuming that Acheron is a planet being restrained is not a problem. It is even intuitive.

The problem is in assuming that firefly has the same level of an emanator without being one, even in the narrative is meaningless.
First isnt even explained why is jt exaggeration, secondly he scales to 3C and 3B from already fighting emanators like Phantylia, and Mydei said Nikador strike can nuke WORLDS which is more than planet level
(Assuming he can destroy amphoreus, thats genuenly high 3-A because amphoreus is entire space time dimension)
No, wait with the dang heng thing I got confused with another mention I had in mind, the one about dang heng defeating a star-eating beast is legit.

The Nikador thing, you imply that the scepter is more powerful than an emanator?

Irontomb precisely had to consume millions and millions of coreflames, to reach a new level of power that we are just about to witness, but that should not be different from what we already saw with Phainon.

Again, Millions.
 
(Assuming he can destroy amphoreus, thats genuenly high 3-A because amphoreus is entire space time dimension)
Non-universal space-time isn't High 3-A anymore according to the Tiering system. Non-universal space-time just scales to the lowest significant dimensional level in question, so even though it's destroying all of time and space, it won't be either High 3-A nor Low 2-C.

It's basically pocket-dimensional destruction, in which it's only scaled to spatial size (In this case, dimensional/space-time destruction is considered to be a Hax ability).
 
Non-universal space-time isn't High 3-A anymore according to the Tiering system. Non-universal space-time just scales to the lowest significant dimensional level in question, so even though it's destroying all of time and space, it won't be either High 3-A nor Low 2-C.

It's basically pocket-dimensional destruction, in which it's only scaled to spatial size (In this case, dimensional/space-time destruction is considered to be a Hax ability).
what the..since when?
 
well.. i guess phainon 3-B feat and welt statement abt lord ravagers should put all emanators at a consistent 3-B, cornerstone level to downscaling 10x of emanators and for rest well they are 4-C or just unknown (lingsha bailu tingyun etc)
 
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