Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Ayato256]

you would need to prove they are not 1-B as avatars because literally nothing in the story proves they are weaker than “true self” because they are the same, they just manifest themselfes into reality avatars due to their superority as higher beings
And not to mention power emanators draw from them (especially Irontomb) has potential to obliterate even their true forms so them being 1-B trough paths is literally applicable

As said, they are superior Beings, THEY literally descend into the lower world to be able to interact with mortals, I don't think we can be more direct to say that avatars are inferior to the Tf.
The power of the Emanators isn't that great and Iron Tomb is an exception to the rule due to his past nature (not to mention the fact that he hasn't killed Nous yet).
So no, 1-B isn't very applicable (it's also pretty hot to say that a being is 1-B if it exists in a reality that is supposedly lower than its current dimensionality), except for Acheron but I would never use the claim that it can kill an Aeon, it has nothing to do with it btw

 

[PedjaTarzan]

As said, they are superior Beings, THEY literally descend into the lower world to be able to interact with mortals, I don't think we can be more direct to say that avatars are inferior to the Tf.

TF are not interactable with because they are pure concepts, they are in fact less tierable bcs of this lol

The power of the Emanators isn't that great and Iron Tomb is an exception to the rule due to his past nature (not to mention the fact that he hasn't killed Nous yet).
So no, 1-B isn't very applicable (it's also pretty hot to say that a being is 1-B if it exists in a reality that is supposedly lower than its current dimensionality),

literally reason why Avatar creation exists, so that higher being can descend into lower reality

except for Acheron but I would never use the claim that it can kill an Aeon, it has nothing to do with it btw

???

 

[MotherStar]

you would need to prove they are not 1-B as avatars because literally nothing in the story proves they are weaker than “true self” because they are the same, they just manifest themselfes into reality avatars due to their superority as higher beings
And not to mention power emanators draw from them (especially Irontomb) has potential to obliterate even their true forms so them being 1-B trough paths is literally applicable

tell you that it is said that the AEONS use avatars to descend into the lower reality (lower D) to interact with mortals (like the emanators). There is no more direct evidence on the fact that they are weaker than the TF

 

[PedjaTarzan]

tell you that it is said that the AEONS use avatars to descend into the lower reality (lower D) to interact with mortals (like the emanators). There is no more direct evidence on the fact that they are weaker than the TF

its literally just an ability vro

Avatar Creation is the ability to manifest another entity in the place of one's true body, using it as an avatar. This ability may allow the users to interact with the world in a way their true forms, which may be too abstract to normally physically interact. One could also use the ability to manifest a body for another, more powerful entity.

nothing on the page, nor in game states that their avatars are weaker god damn it where do you get
this conclusion, is there at least anything in game that states that?

 

[MotherStar]

its literally just an ability vro

nothing on the page, nor in game states that their avatars are weaker god damn it where do you get
this conclusion, is there at least anything in game that states that?

They have to create avatars to go to the mortal world. Just in existence they are not equal with THEIR tf. As said in one of the panels I sent "the beings of higher dimensions see those of lower dimensions like a reader in front of a novel", and where are the avatars? in the lower dimension.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They have to create avatars to go to the mortal world. Just in existence they are not equal with THEIR tf. As said in one of the panels I sent "the beings of higher dimensions see those of lower dimensions like a reader in front of a novel", and where are the avatars? in the lower dimension.

Yea but this doesnt remove the 1-B rating, just HDE from them and thats literally it
you can be 3D and have 1B stats thats literally case with bunch of verses and characters where they are 3D but have ap from low 2-C to low 1-A
this would only be the issue if Aeons were 1-A where in this case their avatars would obviously be not 1-A due to how that tier functions

 

[MotherStar]

Yea but this doesnt remove the 1-B rating, just HDE from them and thats literally it
you can be 3D and have 1B stats thats literally case with bunch of verses and characters where they are 3D but have ap from low 2-C to low 1-A
this would only be the issue if Aeons were 1-A where in this case their avatars would obviously be not 1-A due to how that tier functions

The argument of the ways is not sufficient for the 1-B of the avatars and the enamateur because they do not have total control over it, the only enamateur to be able to go to level 1-B because she affected THE MEMORY itself but that's all and by the ways, there are no other arguments so good

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The argument of the ways is not sufficient for the 1-B of the avatars and the enamateur because they do not have total control over it, the only enamateur to be able to go to level 1-B because she affected THE MEMORY itself but that's all and by the ways, there are no other arguments so good

excuse me but which emanator are you talking about?

 

[MotherStar]

excuse me but which emanator are you talking about?

Archeron

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

excuse me but which emanator are you talking about?

I think he is talking about when Acheron erased Takamagahara and Izumo from history to the point not even the Aeon of Remembrance Fuli cannot recall it

 

[MotherStar]

I think he is talking about when Acheron erased Takamagahara and Izumo from history to the point not even the Aeon of Remembrance Fuli cannot recall it

Exactly, but Ayato is better placed than me to talk about it.
@Ayato256

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

By the way, we are sure that the Post-Second Eruption Star of Edens are still far weaker than the original? As far I remember, Bronya using the Star of Eden was capable of destroying the Theater of Domination, a realm noted to have the number of its dimensions to be far higher than those of the base reality. The Theater of Domination currently accepted as a 11-dimensional realm as it takes the Star of Eden, with the latter capable of manipulating dimensions up to 11-dimensions, despite the events of the beginning of game taking 14 years later after the Second Eruption webcomic

 

[MotherStar]

By the way, we are sure that the Post-Second Eruption Star of Edens are still far weaker than the original? As far I remember, Bronya using the Star of Eden was capable of destroying the Theater of Domination, a realm noted to have the number of its dimensions to be far higher than those of the base reality. The Theater of Domination currently accepted as a 11-dimensional realm as it takes the Star of Eden, with the latter capable of manipulating dimensions up to 11-dimensions, despite the events of the beginning of game taking 14 years later after the Second Eruption webcomic

Honkai Impact 3rd

Did you even noticed that they will be downscaling from 1/10 of the BASELINE 1-B (12-D) 😭 pretty sure its Infinite one due to IT and HooH being literally Otto 2.0 (part of IT)

vsbattles.com

Post your question here because it's only hi3 your question

 

[MotherStar]

By the way, we are sure that the Post-Second Eruption Star of Edens are still far weaker than the original? As far I remember, Bronya using the Star of Eden was capable of destroying the Theater of Domination, a realm noted to have the number of its dimensions to be far higher than those of the base reality. The Theater of Domination currently accepted as a 11-dimensional realm as it takes the Star of Eden, with the latter capable of manipulating dimensions up to 11-dimensions, despite the events of the beginning of game taking 14 years later after the Second Eruption webcomic

Otherwise, from memory, it's the honkai energy that is less powerful, not the effects themselves.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

By the way, we are sure that the Post-Second Eruption Star of Edens are still far weaker than the original? As far I remember, Bronya using the Star of Eden was capable of destroying the Theater of Domination, a realm noted to have the number of its dimensions to be far higher than those of the base reality. The Theater of Domination currently accepted as a 11-dimensional realm as it takes the Star of Eden, with the latter capable of manipulating dimensions up to 11-dimensions, despite the events of the beginning of game taking 14 years later after the Second Eruption webcomic

idk but divine keys output also depend on the user and as of now we havent seen welt do anything notable to be tier 1 with star of eden and the only thing we know is that it is as dangerous as acherons blade according to her.
i was thinking of how we tier herrschers because bubbles are retconned to be just as big as a planet to as big as a leaf world (5-B to 4-A/3-B)
on top of that we have herrscher authorities being linked to img tree and their power coming from CoF itself since herrschers are also labeled as imaginary so they will also get 1-B trough autnority wjole physically 3-B (massively upscaling from TB and Welt)

 

[Voidnether]

Can someone just summarize the problem

 

[Community_Gamer]

Their avatars aren't normally higher dimensional beings, so I'm not really sure if they should fit in 1-B.

Why do you think the Avatars aren't higher-dimensional?

 

[Ayato256]

I think he is talking about when Acheron erased Takamagahara and Izumo from history to the point not even the Aeon of Remembrance Fuli cannot recall it

your thinking is good

 

[Ayato256]

Yea but this doesnt remove the 1-B rating, just HDE from them and thats literally it
you can be 3D and have 1B stats thats literally case with bunch of verses and characters where they are 3D but have ap from low 2-C to low 1-A
this would only be the issue if Aeons were 1-A where in this case their avatars would obviously be not 1-A due to how that tier functions

I didn't say that the avatars' rating 1-B should be removed, it's already not possible since the avatars always have access to the source of their power (Paths) and use it, I'm targeting the Emanators who have a 1-B key via this

 

[Ayato256]

Why do you think the Avatars aren't higher-dimensional?

They have the dimensional property of Hsr, in other words the plane where the Pathriders and Emanators live, the Aeons THEMSELVES are considered higher dimensional beings, who no longer live in this plane since they reached Aeonhood, they no longer have the same properties as those of the mortal plane, I know I can't express it very well but that's basically what I'm trying to say

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why do you think the Avatars aren't higher-dimensional?

Avatars are

I didn't say that the avatars' rating 1-B should be removed, it's already not possible since the avatars always have access to the source of their power (Paths) and use it, I'm targeting the Emanators who have a 1-B key via this

and whats wrong with emanators then?
do you understand that powers of aeons are directly given to emanators by THEM?

 

[MotherStar]

Avatars are

and whats wrong with emanators then?
do you understand that powers of aeons are directly given to emanators by THEM?

To put it simply, you are saying that enamator have as much access to the path as the aeons themselves?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

To put it simply, you are saying that enamator have as much access to the routes as the aeons themselves?

I mean thats a stretch since aeons are paths themselves so they are obviously having the most of it, emanators take part of that power direclty from aeons that they give to emanators
kinda how downscaling works
even if they took 1/10th 1/100th or anything similar they would be 1-B trough paths and thats just for AP

 

[Ayato256]

I mean thats a stretch since aeons are paths themselves so they are obviously having the most of it, emanators take part of that power direclty from aeons that they give to emanators
kinda how downscaling works
even if they took 1/10th 1/100th or anything similar they would be 1-B trough paths and thats just for AP

I still remain undecided even with this explanation.

 

[Ayato256]

I think he is talking about when Acheron erased Takamagahara and Izumo from history to the point not even the Aeon of Remembrance Fuli cannot recall it

Moreover, grammatically speaking, it was the Path of Remembrance after rereading the text

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So, does anyone here know which Tier and above that requires mods permission to create? I remember that Tier 2 (mainly Low 2-C and above) were being discussed to fit into this category

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So, does anyone here know which Tier and above that requires mods permission to create? I remember that Tier 2 (mainly Low 2-C and above) were being discussed to fit into this category

i think as long as the tier belongs in accepted scaling for the verse i think its fine, i recently uploaded fu hua profile and had no issues with it

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So, does anyone here know which Tier and above that requires mods permission to create? I remember that Tier 2 (mainly Low 2-C and above) were being discussed to fit into this category

Primarily Tier 1 or 0 profiles. But from what I can tell, those tend to mainly be for brand new verses.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Just a reminder that there was a CRT attempt already made by someone to make an an avatar key for the aeons but it was concluded that it’d be pointless because they’d still scale to 1-B

 

[Viery]

Are we even know which feats that Aeons do with their avatar and with their true form?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Are we even know which feats that Aeons do with their avatar and with their true form?

Practically all the Aeons' feats that we know about were basically accomplished by their avatars, such as Qlipoth brutally bonking Tayzzyronth to pieces with a hammer, Oroboros stalemating Tayzzyronth, Oroboros eating countless galaxies, Qlipoth smashing a galaxy with a hammer, Nanook's birth shaking the entire universe, Yaoshi's aura being sensed across galaxies, Lan destroying several planets with a single arrow and etc, the only thing that the game makes a point of showing between the avatars and true forms is that the avatars are just creations that the Aeons use to interact with the lower dimensions

 

[PedjaTarzan]

aeons are 1-A but

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can someone finish their profiles pretty please. Half of them are missing.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Practically all the Aeons' feats that we know about were basically accomplished by their avatars, such as Qlipoth brutally bonking Tayzzyronth to pieces with a hammer, Oroboros stalemating Tayzzyronth, Oroboros eating countless galaxies, Qlipoth smashing a galaxy with a hammer, Nanook's birth shaking the entire universe, Yaoshi's aura being sensed across galaxies, Lan destroying several planets with a single arrow and etc, the only thing that the game makes a point of showing between the avatars and true forms is that the avatars are just creations that the Aeons use to interact with the lower dimensions

Precisely this. All the feats we know come from mortals experiencing it or perceiving it in someway. Therefore since Aeons true forms are literally concepts beyond comprehension and conception it stands to reason that the true forms essentially featless because they can't be witnessed.

 

[Ayato256]

Are we even know which feats that Aeons do with their avatar and with their true form?

unless otherwise specified, all exploits are those of the avatars

 

[Ayato256]

aeons are 1-A but

Ahh the time when verse was 1A+

 

[Ayato256]

Can someone finish their profiles pretty please. Half of them are missing.

Many of these profiles lack justification or I don't see them but there is no link to them, even in the references

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Many of these profiles lack justification or I don't see them but there is no link to them, even in the references

Wym. Like link to scans?

 

[Ayato256]

Wym. Like link to scans?

Not necessarily, but let's just say that seeing Mydei's Demigod key completely empty is quite disturbing, it looks like a very old, outdated profile (for example)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Not necessarily, but let's just say that seeing Mydei's Demigod key completely empty is quite disturbing, it looks like a very old, outdated profile (for example)

I'm pretty sure this is an issue of all hsr profiles where mfs don't actually link the scan and expect people to find the scan by referencing an in game quest thats like 10 hours long