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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Jackof_noTrades068 said:
tbf it is a weapon and its pretty normal in fiction to pour your energy into a technique that grants higher output than basic punching and kicking. Like Kamehameha's being above Goku's punches.
But I kinda see you when Authority of Reason (for HI3 Welts) lets Welt rip into Sirin's imaginary barriers which SoE can't damage
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It’s js the energy output itself that is intrinsically scalable here. Due to UES.

It also supposedly applies to every atom of him. Again, UES.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
So like Rick Sanchez having 1-C with Tech
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"Up to 1-B with Preparation"
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Mbpoops said:
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Im fine with HE and IE UES with this logic but irontomb’s IM2 shouldnt scale to physicals
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^ im fine wirh UES under this logic tho
 
SuperNova55555 said:
The “High 1-C” feat in question:

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^ Where even transporting a random object is by functionality scalable to your energy output.

Inductively it also raises the problem that this right here can only posses an energy output less than a nuke:
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Cannot allow agenda against the Void Queen to stand.
Sirin and Welt had a massive fight before this, she was already panting before beating him. I don't know why everyone ignores the fact that she got snuck by the nuke. Because of the ambiguity of the statement 'she lacked the power to send it to a pocket dimension' another interpretation is that it takes more energy to teleport something to a pocket dimension than simply just teleport an object, hence why she chooses the latter option.

It's not that the nuke was harder to teleport as it had more energy, it's just that teleporting something into a pocket dimension takes more energy than teleporting something in general, which makes sense.

Keep in mind, Sirin draws ALL of her power to teleport it into the ground. So she has no power left.
Sirin survives without a scratch and then struggles to even push herself upwards.

So Herrscher Physiology on its own should be enough to tank a nuke.

Zephyro, stand back, this is 0 energy Sirin we're going against.

In other news, H1C Sirin is equally as disgusting.
It's a fair assumption that Void Powers work by multiplying an object's co-ordinates with i. They spend a good time connecting Imaginary Space and Imaginary Numbers (I believe Otto calls it the realm of Imaginary Numbers at some point), them not being real numbers. This is a fair assumption. This multiplication by i is why she's able to make a Subspace Lance tangible and intangible against Theresa to one-shot her, that weapon was teleported to Imaginary Space.
Here the 7 co-ordinates past the initial 3 of Imaginary Space don't matter either. It's an object that was moving 3 dimensionally and is continuing to do so. Only the 3D coordinates would be changing, hence Sirin can just multiply them by i, wait a second, multiply them by i again... and boom, Theresa skewered through the chest. This is all Sirin's control of Imaginary Space amounts to outside of Void Hands and Void Shields, which seem to just be summoning / Sirin surrounding herself with an Imaginary Space.
Another path of argumentation is that Sirin doesn't actually go to THE Imaginary Space and just one of her own, which is also fair. It'd just have 3 imaginary co-ordinates instead of real ones. It doesn't change much about the argumentation.

Welt later blocks a similar subspace lance, this makes sense because he's a Herrscher. The Cocoon of Finality should enable them to influence higher / other dimensions, just like he does against Ryusuke, just like Herrscher cores are stated to exist upon all dimensions. Hence why he can also breach Sirin's Imaginary Void Barriers at close range, he's able to utilise his Herrscher core.
It's stated that the Star of Eden can't do this, it's likely that Singularity Rebuild, where the SoE can infact act upon higher dimensions, is just Welt learning to use the SoE better.

Either way, with this very educated guess on how Sirin's powers work, it gives more understanding to what they actually mean when they say Sirin has control over Imaginary Space. It still doesn't grant her H1C and I feel doing this from a single scan is a massive, massive reach anyway.
 
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PlungingThroughTime said:
I believe Otto calls it the realm of Imaginary Numbers at some point
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That’s what it explicitly is. The CN of the Tree is also “the Tree of Imaginary Numbers”.

Which is also weird to think about in respect to HSR because the Tree being an imaginary object is precisely the reason why it’s separated from Reality (or the space of Real Numbers). So to confuse it for the universe itself seems like a complete blunder to me
 
SuperNova55555 said:
That’s what it explicitly is. The CN of the Tree is also “the Tree of Imaginary Numbers”.

Which is also weird to think about in respect to HSR because the Tree being an imaginary object is precisely the reason why it’s separated from Reality (or the space of Real Numbers). So to confuse it for the universe itself seems like a complete blunder to me
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Which is why we shouldnt assume every universe nuke in hsr = full imaginary tree nuke
 
Mbpoops said:
Which is why we shouldnt assume every universe nuke in hsr = full imaginary tree nuke
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No, it is the Tree. It’s just that the “Tree” here is Reality.

It’s also why, particularly speaking, the HSR Tree is explained as being born from the cracks of chaos (Imaginary Space), whereas the Hi3 Tree isn’t. In fact, as far as I know, the origin of the Tree in Hi3 is never stated outside of that mistranslated quote from Otto. Only the “Universe” is, with the explanation being that it originates from IS/IT, which is the same given for HSR’s Tree/Universe.

The roles of IS and RS remain the same in both series; they js soft-retconned which the “Imaginary Tree” is referring to for some reason. Though, it can also just be attributed to an in-universe discrepancy between scientists. So who knows.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
No, it is the Tree. It’s just that the “Tree” here is Reality.

It’s also why, particularly speaking, the HSR Tree is explained as being born from the cracks of chaos (Imaginary Space), whereas the Hi3 Tree isn’t. In fact, as far as I know, the origin of the Tree in Hi3 is never stated outside of that mistranslated quote from Otto. Only the “Universe” is, with the explanation being that it originates from IS/IT, which is the same given for HSR’s Tree/Universe.

The roles of IS and RS remain the same in both series; they js soft-retconned which the “Imaginary Tree” is referring to for some reason. Though, it can also just be attributed to an in-universe discrepancy between scientists. So who knows.
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I mean just like the whole “universe” with the little imaginary tree thing above it because it makes it look like they’re nuking both the imaginary (higher dimensional space) and reality (4th dimensional space)
 
Mbpoops said:
I mean just like the whole “universe” with the little imaginary tree thing above it because it makes it look like they’re nuking both the imaginary (higher dimensional space) and reality (4th dimensional space)
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Or at least there should be more clarity between the 2 instead of just “imaginary tree” because it looks like they’re nuking the higher space even though pathspace was perfectly fine
 
Mbpoops said:
I mean just like the whole “universe” with the little imaginary tree thing above it because it makes it look like they’re nuking both the imaginary (higher dimensional space) and reality (4th dimensional space)
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And as I said in my thread, the reductio to this would literally be to grant that Path Space is somehow above the entirety of Imaginary Space.

Not even the same level, but literally above it. Which would be such an insane thing to posit lmao
 
SuperNova55555 said:
And as I said in my thread, the reductio to this would literally be to grant that Path Space is somehow above the entirety of Imaginary Space.

Not even the same level, but literally above it. Which would be such an insane thing to posit lmao
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1-B aeons H1-C cocoon 😭😭✌️ 1-B belabog TB
 
If we’re also going by Otto’s description of time literally flowing through the Imaginary Tree’s trunk, and then going by Cyrene’s claim that time doesn’t flow at Path Space. It then naturally follows that Path Space is “outside” the Tree, or at least specifically the part not within the Tree. So for mfs not to destroy it is basically a blatant concession to not going beyond Real Space.

Mbpoops said:
All beings in hsr’s universe have 11D existence
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Pretty sure this is true with compactified dimensions in general. It’s just that they’re so small we can’t notice em.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
If we’re also going by Otto’s description of time literally flowing through the Imaginary Tree’s trunk, and then going by Cyrene’s claim that time doesn’t flow at Path Space. It then naturally follows that Path Space is “outside” the Tree, or at least specifically the part not within the Tree. So for mfs not to destroy it is basically a blatant concession to not going beyond Real Space.
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Im not tracking, so time is only 4D space? Makes sense to me
SuperNova55555 said:
Pretty sure this is true with compactified dimensions in general. It’s just that they’re so small we can’t notice em.
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Significant* 11D existance mb
 
SuperNova55555 said:
That’s what it explicitly is. The CN of the Tree is also “the Tree of Imaginary Numbers”.

Which is also weird to think about in respect to HSR because the Tree being an imaginary object is precisely the reason why it’s separated from Reality (or the space of Real Numbers). So to confuse it for the universe itself seems like a complete blunder to me
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It technically IS the universe because it informs the shape / structure of the universe for the HSR characters via its own mechanics of leaf worlds, moving between them etc. Calling the Tree the universe is technically half-right but that definition is also missing that you don't actually travel through it at any point, you're just traversing from Leaf to Leaf and maybe sometimes very close to Imaginary Space. (The Imaginary Barriers are just tons of Imaginary Energy leaking from Imaginary Space).

It's not a complete blunder, I feel it's quite understandable, especially with how the structure / features of the Tree defines the structure of the HSR Universe.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Otto’s explanation has “Time” flowing through the Tree rather than Imaginary Energy.
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Which is why I believe a branch extending is representative of time flowing forwards within that branch. Important to remember everywhere in Hoyo has a time dimension other than maybe the Cocoon, it's just asynchronous / move at different speeds. (I think in Imaginary Space time can move backwards too, but I don't have any scans for that nor remember where it comes from, I just think it was said at some point).
 
SuperNova55555 said:
If we’re also going by Otto’s description of time literally flowing through the Imaginary Tree’s trunk, and then going by Cyrene’s claim that time doesn’t flow at Path Space.
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Important to note this just might mean time is stopped rather than time isn't present at all. Big difference within the cosmology of the Tree.
(Freezing time isn't particularly impressive in Hoyo, we see Yae Sakura and Acheron do it).

Unless they state Path Space has no time, which I don't think they do, it'd be far more sensible to say time is stopped.
 
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