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It would probably be baseline 3-B, if it involves the complete destruction of two galaxies using inverse square law, especially due to the limited context given
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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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I mean " incinerating galaxies" could just mean they can destroy a galaxy without much difficulty, it doesn't exactly mean they can destroy multiple at once
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I already knew it from the start since Himeko/Bronya/Selee are in the game before i even see the WoG, it just that i find it funny that we are trying out with Welt with all of the WoG while the obvious example was in there hence the troll lel, sorry guys
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I mean...the Himeko/Bronya/Seele from HSR aren't the same ones in HI3.
Hell, Bronya's surname in HSR is "Rand" instead of "Zaychik".
Though Welt, is the same.
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It might be because of the story and plot reason, otherwise the connection for them are very high
Welt is just for a further addition with the most obvious one
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So with that, it would probably be "At least 3-C, possibly 3-B" via the lack of information other than that they can destroy galaxies with what sounds like little difficulty if they can incinerate them.
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Though, you have to watch out for when they say "galaxies"
As they do sometimes call a branch of the imaginary tree a "galaxy" according to the Data Bank
As shown here
Though, it should be pretty easy to know when they mean to use "galaxy" in this manner
As they do sometimes call a branch of the imaginary tree a "galaxy" according to the Data Bank
As shown here
Though, it should be pretty easy to know when they mean to use "galaxy" in this manner
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Correction since EN translation is one of the translation of all time. When they say Overlord can incinerate Galaxies, Chinese speaker on Discord checked and CN it directly translate to a star systems, which also translate to a leaf of the imaginary tree... So yeah Overlord is low-2C.
Also, in the IPC broadcast you can hear in the Astral Epress, the 100 something world is actually 100 something leaf of the imaginary tree, planet is legit planet while the galaxy (singular) also translate to star systems... EN is one of the translation of all time man.
Also, in the IPC broadcast you can hear in the Astral Epress, the 100 something world is actually 100 something leaf of the imaginary tree, planet is legit planet while the galaxy (singular) also translate to star systems... EN is one of the translation of all time man.
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Eh, depends.
As the universes of the imaginary tree (the leaves) range from Low 2-C to High 1-C
But going Low 2-C is the safest bet
I mean hell, Welt Yang had High 1-C hax for rebuilding the singularity from which the genesis of space was born...or something like that. (Which, funnily enough, also happened in the Alien Space manga)
I don't 100% remember though
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Also, I dunno if Ryusuke would be straight Low 2-C (not Low 1-C, as only space should be involved; 4D space, not 5D spacetime), considering he became a "contiguous entity that exists at a higher dimension" and that Welt "is stuck at a lower plane of existence" and only sees "fragments" (which is likely describing "slices" of his higher-dimensional phyiology) while Ryusuke "sees the entire picture", with the next page confirming a R>F between these dimensions (making them qualitatively superior to each other).
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Official animation just dropped on the HSR channel, lesgo.
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By the way, HSR relevant characters will be scaled to 5-B (the main trio cast can fight and harm the Doomsday Beast which was stated to be a planet destroyer) or 5-A (The main cast is comparable to HSR Welt who can create a black hole of this level) or 4-A (If it is confirmed that HSR Welt is somewhat comparable or at least on the same level as himself during the events of the HI3rd's main story)?
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Actually, yes and no.
It states that in his Character Story at level 60 that: "it remains unknown whether or not he retains the strength from his heyday".
So in-game, it says he may or may not be as powerful as he was in his prime. Which is basically the game's way of saying "Welt in HSR may or may not be comparable to his prime in HI3."
So I can see a "5-A, possibly 4-A" due to it being unknown if he is just as powerful as he once was, and it isn't exactly denying that he isn't as powerful as he once was.
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But, what about Welt's cane that is stated to be crafted from the Star of Eden?
"Gravity manipulation has remained his usual combat means, ever since his cane was transformed from the Star of Eden"
Which is a weapon (specifially a Divine Key) that is forged from a Herrscher core; which are already 4-A.
So, he should still using a 4-A weapon, as his cane = Star of Eden, and he actually creates these black holes via the Star of Eden.
As shown here:
Plus, in HSR, you also see Welt use his cane (aka, the Star of Eden) to create the black hole, like he does in HI3.
"Gravity manipulation has remained his usual combat means, ever since his cane was transformed from the Star of Eden"
Which is a weapon (specifially a Divine Key) that is forged from a Herrscher core; which are already 4-A.
So, he should still using a 4-A weapon, as his cane = Star of Eden, and he actually creates these black holes via the Star of Eden.
As shown here:
Plus, in HSR, you also see Welt use his cane (aka, the Star of Eden) to create the black hole, like he does in HI3.
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So, @Furudo_Erika, are you suggesting 5-A, possibly 4-A or just solid 4-A? I'm fine with either option, but if one is more accurate than the other, then I'll choose the more accurate one
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For safety, i think "5-A, possibly 4-A" is the best option since, while the cross-scaling between HI3 and HSR is very good enough, there might be some of peoples who find it shaky
But solid 4-A is still a good option nonetheless
But solid 4-A is still a good option nonetheless
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That's something I cannot really decide on.
Mostly because the straight 4-A comes from the fact Welt is technically using the Star of Eden; a Divine Key forged from a Herrscher core.
But the problem is...things enduring these attacks; specifically the black holes created from it. Divine Keys are shown to be able to severely injure Herrschers, much like how the black hole from Star of Eden would have killed Sirin if Otto the Clown hadn't intervened.
Now you could say Welt isn't using the full power of the Star of Eden in HSR, but that doesn't mean he cannot use the full power of it; which would logically be 4-A as it is a Divine Key.
So...maybe:
"5-A, possibly 4-A. 4-A with Star of Eden" or something.
Or if he is using the full power, then straight 4-A as he can harm enemies who can endure the full power of the Star of Eden...but then all relevant characters would be 4-A as they can all deal damage to these enemies.
Dunno what to exactly call it, as it isn't exactly the Star of Eden, but it IS the Star of Eden, just transformed into a cane.
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Yeah, pretty much all relevant characters would be 4-A, which I am not suprised, since even Beginning of the Game Kiana, Mei and Bronya are Multi-Solar System level
Do you mean the Herrscher core that gave the Star of Eden and Welt's cane its powers?
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Yes, the very same core.
And from Welt's light cone and voice-overs, the Honkai is something he had already dealt with and even on the Express, you can even ask him where his powers came from.
To which he said he got them from a friend, AKA Welt Joyce, plus his light cone confirms Herrschers do exist where Welt came from, and that he had become one before.
So this implies Welt still has his Herrscher powers in HSR.
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Actually, in the next line... Welt says:
"I can mimic anything as long as I understand its principles", which is exactly how the Herrscher of Reason works.
So yeah, it's more evident to say he still has Herrscher powers.
Side Note:
In this line, he also says: "As for black holes...that's an even longer story", implying the method behind the black holes he creates are completely separate from the powers he inherited from Joyce; as the black holes are from the Star of Eden.
"I can mimic anything as long as I understand its principles", which is exactly how the Herrscher of Reason works.
So yeah, it's more evident to say he still has Herrscher powers.
Side Note:
In this line, he also says: "As for black holes...that's an even longer story", implying the method behind the black holes he creates are completely separate from the powers he inherited from Joyce; as the black holes are from the Star of Eden.
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The black hole is indeed from Star of Eden. I remember Welt character show case video from HSR official youtube channel have the commenter saying that he use Eden there.Actually, in the next line... Welt says:
"I can mimic anything as long as I understand its principles", which is exactly how the Herrscher of Reason works.
So yeah, it's more evident to say he still has Herrscher powers.
Side Note:
In this line, he also says: "As for black holes...that's an even longer story", implying the method behind the black holes he creates are completely separate from the powers he inherited from Joyce; as the black holes are from the Star of Eden.
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I do have one question though.
If this is indeed the same Welt from HI3 (Which the game HEAVILY implies it is, with one interview expliciting stating they are the same), would his page be completely separate HSR one, or another Key on HI3's Welt? (As they are the same Welt)
If this is indeed the same Welt from HI3 (Which the game HEAVILY implies it is, with one interview expliciting stating they are the same), would his page be completely separate HSR one, or another Key on HI3's Welt? (As they are the same Welt)
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We... have Welt Yang page?
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Also, hello everyone. I've been playing this game since launch, but didn't know there's a discussion about it.
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We had one, though that's not exactly what I'm asking.
I'm moreso asking "Will HI3 Welt and HSR Welt be the same page, just different keys due to being the same Welt?"
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Yeah, it should be of different key.
I'm pretty sure Welt is the same Welt from Hi3, so same page should be okay.
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That beg a question, that mean every HSR chars will have those bs haxes from HI3, right?
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More about Welt.
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Which are...? It's been ages since I play Hi3.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Though at least Welt would, as again...same Welt.
Lol
He should also have all those bs resistances too, especially since he canonically dealt with Honkai (and Herrschers, and may still be one considering he still has Herrscher powers) in HSR as implied by his voice-overs.
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I don't remember all of them, but High 1-C spatial manipulation is pretty common. Especially Sirin, who can manipulate the imaginary space itself. Welt may also have High 1-C spatial manipulation as he tore through imaginary space with his bare hands.
(I would send scans, but I can't rn)
I also think Fu Hua has like High 1-C Mind Manipulation with Fenghuang Down as well
Actually:
Here is a list of what Honkai Energy grants
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That's hard to say.
As far as the story goes, there is no Honkai and Honkai energy in the Star Rail universe.
There are Stellaron infection and fragmentum.
So in my opinion, only Welt can get this.
The rest of the character don't.
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For the next banner, if you have Seele, I would recommend skipping Jing unless you desperate need a second dps
But why would you need him in the first place when everyone has SERVAL? Serval---> Jing no cap
But why would you need him in the first place when everyone has SERVAL? Serval---> Jing no cap
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Yeah, there's no Honkai or Honkai energy.
But there is Imaginary energy, but I dunno what the properties it has exactly.
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So, I popped Chinese text on in HSR and found something interesting with with Imaginary Weavers.
The piece of regarding "imaginary energy"; or "使用虚数"
使用 means "use"
虚数 means "imaginary number(s)", as in the mathematical concept.
So going with that, using "imaginary energy", is using imaginary numbers to attack.
Also found something about the Imaginary Tree, which in Chinese is: "虚数之树".
虚数 = Imaginary Number
之 = Modifier used to give possession or description; equivalent of "of". This modifies 树 (tree) with the property of 虚数 (imaginary number(s)).
树 = Tree
So "虚数之树" may literally mean "Tree of Imaginary Numbers"
Dunno if this means anything, but I found it neat. Though it might imply Imaginary Weavers draw "energy" from the Imaginary Tree if they use imaginary numbers for their attacks (which is, actually how Sirin's powers kinda work).
The piece of regarding "imaginary energy"; or "使用虚数"
使用 means "use"
虚数 means "imaginary number(s)", as in the mathematical concept.
So going with that, using "imaginary energy", is using imaginary numbers to attack.
Also found something about the Imaginary Tree, which in Chinese is: "虚数之树".
虚数 = Imaginary Number
之 = Modifier used to give possession or description; equivalent of "of". This modifies 树 (tree) with the property of 虚数 (imaginary number(s)).
树 = Tree
So "虚数之树" may literally mean "Tree of Imaginary Numbers"
Dunno if this means anything, but I found it neat. Though it might imply Imaginary Weavers draw "energy" from the Imaginary Tree if they use imaginary numbers for their attacks (which is, actually how Sirin's powers kinda work).
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Oh, I didn't even look at "Imaginary Weaver" itself.
Which actually, probably more accurate...Imaginary LEAF Weaver"
Because, the Chinese name is "虚数织叶者"
虚数 = imaginary number
织 = to weave/knit
叶 = leaf
者 =has different meanings/uses, but here it is used as an agent modifier; "one who <verb>s".
Now my Chinese isn't the greatest, but 织叶 could mean "to weave leaves", and the "者" at the end may translate it into "one who weaves leaves (织叶者)"; or "Leaf Weaver".
So: "Imaginary Leaf Weaver".
Which if so, then oh boy.
As an "imaginary leaf" could refer to the leaves of the imaginary tree...which are entire universes.
Which it are stated in the Data Bank they use imaginary power to "twist reality", so "reality" here may be referring to the actual leaves of the imaginary tree; universes.
Also, this item's description:
Which actually, probably more accurate...Imaginary LEAF Weaver"
Because, the Chinese name is "虚数织叶者"
虚数 = imaginary number
织 = to weave/knit
叶 = leaf
者 =has different meanings/uses, but here it is used as an agent modifier; "one who <verb>s".
Now my Chinese isn't the greatest, but 织叶 could mean "to weave leaves", and the "者" at the end may translate it into "one who weaves leaves (织叶者)"; or "Leaf Weaver".
So: "Imaginary Leaf Weaver".
Which if so, then oh boy.
As an "imaginary leaf" could refer to the leaves of the imaginary tree...which are entire universes.
Which it are stated in the Data Bank they use imaginary power to "twist reality", so "reality" here may be referring to the actual leaves of the imaginary tree; universes.
Also, this item's description:
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dude, if ur a f2p i strongly recommend using the fire mc + march 7h strat on world 3
there is a ton of videos of it on youtube
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