Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[CastoriceTheFifth]

is this not only when its approaching self coronation though?
Like wouldnt Irontomb get a rating like 3-C up to 2-A with Self Coronation

The un amped express trio fought the 3-C version and would've been negged by 2-A irontomb without cyrene right?

The Nigh Self Coronation Irontomb was the strongest Lord Ravager and stronger than all Emanators pretty much

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh so the statement just doesn’t exist

It is on par with Lord Ravagers when it is still a Scepter, but when it is born/descends (when we fight it), it becomes the strongest Emanator

 

[PedjaTarzan]

its not about the dimensions but nova thinks its not significant enough in size.
Im of the boat the whole boundless space statement should be enough to make it tierable

All i know is puppets cannot create infinite space so the only tenable thing is that actual HoD can, so the looped shit would just be stairs while entire realm stays infinite

 

[SuperNova55555]

its not about the dimensions but nova thinks its not significant enough in size.
Im of the boat the whole boundless space statement should be enough to make it tierable

I think that because we have a precedent of similar "infinite" structures being elaborated to simply be looped. So I'm asking if a similar thing is implied

 

[Mbpoops]

stupid question but do we need to prove the dimensions are significant because afaik we got SoQ and Tree accepted as 11D i dont remember this being accepted for the rest bar some ether anchors or something like that

me and nova chan talked im gonna eventually go through the entire arc again to look for a size statement other than the one for the building. i personally believe the imaginary space itself is infinite while the theatre is finite and he puppets manipulate the theatre to trick bronya and hua

 

[PedjaTarzan]

me and nova chan talked im gonna eventually go through the entire arc again to look for a size statement other than the one for the building. i personally believe the imaginary space itself is infinite while the theatre is finite and he puppets manipulate the theatre to trick bronya and hua

I mean yeah the entire building is logically finite you literally see the space outside theather being that purple cloudy shit while theather is just big ass building the dimension itself can he infinite no problem

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

It is on par with Lord Ravagers when it is still a Scepter, but when it is born/descends (when we fight it), it becomes the strongest Emanator

In this clip the narrator isn't talking about literal power levels. it's about the devastation irontomb's virus brought/would bring and it being comperable to the impact a ravager's going all out against the world would cause.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It is on par with Lord Ravagers when it is still a Scepter, but when it is born/descends (when we fight it), it becomes the strongest Emanator

"Facing energy levels beyond that of Emanators, we would be powerless against it"

Why would this not apply to the Irontomb who is Self-Coronating and spiked astronomically in Path Energy. The same spike in energy output that had the Chrysos Heirs and Herta sweating to stop them? Do you see ANYTHING in the first half of the fight that matches the clip's dialogue prior to that scene.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

I mean yeah the entire building is logically finite you literally see the space outside theather being that purple cloudy shit while theather is just big ass building the dimension itself can he infinite no problem

The dimension is infinite but the building is not
The building is limited to the mental loop that was meant to trap Kiana (and others but mostly kiana)before she broke out of it w flamescion power
Like we see the whole building collapse and they end up on the outside

 

[SuperNova55555]

"Facing energy levels beyond that of Emanators, we would be powerless against it"

Why would this not apply to the Irontomb who is Self-Coronating and spiked astronomically in Path Energy. The same spike in energy output that had the Chrysos Heirs and Herta sweating to stop them? Do you see ANYTHING in the first half of the fight that matches the clip's dialogue prior to that scene.

The statement isn't differentiating. It's js in general talking about Irontomb, that once it descends, we will not possess abilities to stop it at all. This phase of it "descending" is referring both to Pre- and Post-Self-Coronation. You literally js have to claim that the Irontomb we fight isn't born yet, or hasn't descended if you want to defend this claim. Otherwise there'd be no reason for the video to specify that Irontomb must not be born.

 

[Mbpoops]

btw irontomb was jumped by 2 emanators (march and cyrene) the TB and daniel. this isnt counting herta's fleet of people including the galaxy rangers and apparently the xienzhou and the entire planet screwllum attacking his main body. yea hes stronger than every lord ravenger idc

 

[SuperNova55555]

btw irontomb was jumped by 2 emanators (march and cyrene) the TB and daniel. this isnt counting herta's fleet of people including the galaxy rangers and apparently the xienzhou and the entire planet screwllum attacking his main body. yea hes stronger than every lord ravenger idc

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 people that need World-Cleansing Blood to damage Irontombs physical form vs 1 Robot guy but apparently mfs scale to him aigh

 

[Mbpoops]

what if IX's shadows were actually just IX but he did nothing for so long he started to split like Mitosis

 

[Mbpoops]

1 Robot guy but apparently mfs scale to him aigh

nous?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The statement isn't differentiating. It's js in general talking about Irontomb, that once it descends, we will not possess abilities to stop it at all. This phase of it "descending" is referring both to Pre- and Post-Self-Coronation. You literally js have to claim that the Irontomb we fight isn't born yet, or hasn't descended if you want to defend this claim. Otherwise there'd be no reason for the video to specify that Irontomb must not be born.

So either the statement itself is dookie or it applies to Self-Coronating Irontomb because deadass Phase 1 and 2 of the entire fight doesn't match what that statement is saying until Irontomb started self-coronating and spiked in path energy where they actually did become powerless against it.

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 people that need World-Cleansing Blood to damage Irontombs physical form vs 1 Robot guy but apparently mfs scale to him aigh

So basically, an entire army shooting at a stationary target that's doing nothing while the Chrysos Heirs fought the core who actually did fight back and use its entire arsenal by Phase 2. I don't know what kind of fight is possible where people who are magically somehow not scaling to the same AP tier are not getting one shotted by the being allegedly stomp levels over them, unless they do somewhat actually scale.

Also World-Cleansing Blood was used like only twice throughout that entire fight innit? Irontomb's Core and Giant both got obliterated into bits from a Cyrene arrow.

 

[SuperNova55555]

So basically, an entire army shooting at a stationary target that's doing nothing while the Chrysos Heirs fought the core who actually did fight back and use its entire arsenal by Phase 2. I don't know what kind of fight is possible where people who are magically somehow not scaling to the same AP tier are not getting one shotted by the being allegedly stomp levels over them, unless they do somewhat actually scale.

Huh? How do you know it didn't fight back? Wasn't a major plot point that Irontomb was sending out viruses constantly and that's the reason the IPC profited off of the virus cure

 

[Mbpoops]

So basically, an entire army shooting at a stationary target that's doing nothing while the Chrysos Heirs fought the core who actually did fight back and use its entire arsenal by Phase 2. I don't know what kind of fight is possible where people who are magically somehow not scaling to the same AP tier are not getting one shotted by the being allegedly stomp levels over them, unless they do somewhat actually scale.

i would much prefer just saying c*rene carried since she legit has her own special attack that she spams mid fight (yes its in phase 2 aswell)

Also World-Cleansing Blood was used like only twice throughout that entire fight innit? Irontomb's Core and Giant both got obliterated into bits from a Cyrene arrow.

sooo cyrene carried

 

[Mbpoops]

Huh? How do you know it didn't fight back? Wasn't a major plot point that Irontomb was sending out viruses constantly and that's the reason the IPC profited off of the virus cure

also it was like barely damanged... the only thing that was somewhat damaged was the mini irontomb we fight and again id rather just say cyrene carried here cause SHE HAS A SPECIAL ATTACK SHE SPAMS

 

[Voidnether]

The Irontomb that exceeds Emanators isn't even an Emanator in itself, y'know since it exceeds it plus the strongest Lord Ravager is still Zephyro but this just doesn't take account the Irontomb that exceeds Emanators for some reason

So, strongest Emanator atleast for Lord Ravager / Destruction is Zephyro but something that exceeds this would be the Incomplete Irontomb in Phase 2

 

[SuperNova55555]

also it was like barely damanged... the only thing that was somewhat damaged was the mini irontomb we fight and again id rather just say cyrene carried here cause SHE HAS A SPECIAL ATTACK SHE SPAMS

That's what I'm saying lmao. The only cutscene we have is a combined attack of 13 people lmfao

 

[Mbpoops]

all this and the main cast is still 4-B kid dudu victims

 

[Voidnether]

all this and the main cast is still 4-B kid dudu victims

Trailblazer has access to 7 Paths, what do you think Kid Durandal is gonna do against that bro, like deadass Trailblazer is the only person who would have all the Paths abilities at the end of the story lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i would much prefer just saying c*rene carried since she legit has her own special attack that she spams mid fight (yes its in phase 2 aswell)

Again, we legit don't get one shotted at all, and we aren't portrayed as getting man handled like with Fake Skaz cutscene. This fight literally cannot happen at all without them all getting obliterated in a single shot if theres an alleged stomp levels between them.

Hell, arguing that Cyrene carried literally defeats the entire argument of somehow trying to apply this statement to Incomplete Irontomb if a normal Emanator level output matches that of the supposed "far beyond emanators to the point we're powerless" energy output so it could literally only mean the self coronating Irontomb.

sooo cyrene carried

????

ALL the chrysos heirs damaged Irontomb. They were ALL amped to that level by her in order to fight him in Phase 3. What is the carrying.

 

[Mbpoops]

btw does a solar system have an event horizon? i know a universe has one but idk if a solar system has one

 

[Mbpoops]

Trailblazer has access to 7 Paths, what do you think Kid Durandal is gonna do against that bro, like deadass Trailblazer is the only person who would have all the Paths abilities at the end of the story lol

 

[Mbpoops]

this justification needs to be altered a bit because it deadass looks like she is infinite 4-D

 

[Mbpoops]

the aura.

 

[Mbpoops]

Again, we legit don't get one shotted at all, and we aren't portrayed as getting man handled like with Fake Skaz cutscene. This fight literally cannot happen at all without them all getting obliterated in a single shot if theres an alleged stomp levels between them.

we had cyrene. and when did the TB get man handled by fake skaz?

Hell, arguing that Cyrene carried literally defeats the entire argument of somehow trying to apply this statement to Incomplete Irontomb if a normal Emanator level output matches that of the supposed "far beyond emanators to the point we're powerless" energy output so it could literally only mean the self coronating Irontomb.

cyrene is a special case and we know this because shes above evernight.

????

ALL the chrysos heirs damaged Irontomb. They were ALL amped to that level by her in order to fight him in Phase 3. What is the carrying.

soooooooooo cyrene had to amp us? sounds like shes CARRYING

 

[SuperNova55555]

Again, we legit don't get one shotted at all, and we aren't portrayed as getting man handled like with Fake Skaz cutscene. This fight literally cannot happen at all without them all getting obliterated in a single shot if theres an alleged stomp levels between them.

The Herta station scientists also dont get oneshot. Nor does the spaceship itself

Hell, arguing that Cyrene carried literally defeats the entire argument of somehow trying to apply this statement to Incomplete Irontomb if a normal Emanator level output matches that of the supposed "far beyond emanators to the point we're powerless" energy output so it could literally only mean the self coronating Irontomb.

It just means Cyrene holds a large majority of the accumulated energy throughout the entire cosmic alliance. A single joule isn't 3-A because it's part of the big bang.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

the aura.

This man 1 v *3s the main cast and doesn't sweat
Then he goes into finality authority (Deliverance) and he starts BTAing

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That's what I'm saying lmao. The only cutscene we have is a combined attack of 13 people lmfao

This is like saying the only attack we used on Irontomb in Phase 3 is Epics As We've Written and that we just never thrown a single attack at it unless Epics As We've Written is charged up btw.

we had cyrene. and when did the TB get man handled by fake skaz?

We had Cyrene cool. What about it. Also TB in less than 56 seconds was on their knees against Fake Skaz and was about to get obliterated.

cyrene is a special case and we know this because shes above evernight.

No Cyrene here is literally still just an Emanator with normal Emanator level output.

soooooooooo cyrene had to amp us? sounds like shes CARRYING

You're reaching for straws right now if you're applying what happened in Phase 3 to Phase 1 and 2.

The Herta station scientists also doesnt get oneshot. Nor does the spaceship itself

Ok so then do you admit Herta's Scientists are stronger, more durable, and simply flat out superior than the entire Xianzhou Loufu army, their battle warships, and their elites since they all got obliterated in a single attack.

It just means Cyrene holds a large majority of the accumulated energy throughout the entire cosmic alliance. A single joule isn't 3-A because it's part of the big bang.

Is she explicitly beyond Emanator level in this moment.

 

[Mbpoops]

i need to read more abt hax i saw a seele scan thats kinda crazy

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Honestly somehow create that match. A single Herta Scientist Vs The Entire Xianzhou Loufu army

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Oh so the statement just doesn’t exist

Yeah there's no 'he's flat out the strongest ravager' just some fair presumptions tbh.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ok so then do you admit Herta's Scientists are stronger, more durable, and simply flat out superior than the entire Xianzhou Loufu army, their battle warships, and their elites since they all got obliterated in a single attack.

Yea.

(I hope you notice the blatant inconsistency by the way. Mind you, it would be entirely solved if we were to js realize that all of Irontomb's attacks are potent IM2)

Is she explicitly beyond Emanator level in this moment.

If you keep adding Emanators and Emanators and Pathstriders together, you'll eventually reach Irontomb level. Cyrene just holds a large majority of that sum. As for your question: who knows. Both yes and no do not impact the conclusion much.

 

[Mbpoops]

We had Cyrene cool. What about it. Also TB in less than 56 seconds was on their knees against Fake Skaz and was about to get obliterated.

the trailblazer who got jumped by skaz and his goons yet still got back up? the skaz who had to use his strongest attack on the TB?

No Cyrene here is literally still just an Emanator with normal Emanator level output.

cyrene = jingyuan = herta ig

You're reaching for straws right now if you're applying what happened in Phase 3 to Phase 1 and 2.

???? <- link if you cant see it

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Trailblazer has access to 7 Paths, what do you think Kid Durandal is gonna do against that bro, like deadass Trailblazer is the only person who would have all the Paths abilities at the end of the story lol

 

[Mbpoops]

yeaaaa no one in hsr is reaching her. 4-B kid dudu might sweep

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

i need to read more abt hax i saw a seele scan thats kinda crazy

What scan

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Trailblazer has access to 7 Paths, what do you think Kid Durandal is gonna do against that bro, like deadass Trailblazer is the only person who would have all the Paths abilities at the end of the story lol

Same kid DuDu that's relative to Coralie and post helia btw...