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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Avengershows said:
It's not actually that disconnected.
11 Dimensional Cosmology comes from both Honkai 3rd and Honkai 2.

As for scaling and feats and hax;
HG2 covers a lot of how the Honkai functions and what it can do, naturally, Honkai 3rd only uses a limited amount of that, but for example Finality characters would get an upgrade hax wise.
HI3rd has scaling that would extend to HSR (via Welt and Void Archives) and vice-versa.
HSR covers general cosmology and has decent feats.
While most of these games have very stand-alone power-sets, they're still interconnected cosmology wise.

Nasuverse is in a similar situation, although their hax are a tiny bit more connected.
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Yeah true but speed wise how good is ggz compared to hi3 and hsr?
 
All three Honkai games have less characters (who are noteworthy enough to have a vsbw page for) than the Nasuverse, which has a shared verse page.
There's also way less supporters. I think a merger of the three games would be adequate.
 
Woomica said:
Yeah true but speed wise how good is ggz compared to hi3 and hsr?
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Funnily enough, it ranges from abysmally slow to very very fast.
In early Retrospective, Bronya could easily move at 300 m/s.
Kiana can run at bullet speed casually.
In mid Retrospective, they can fight Kaguya who uses actual light beams as a form of combat (they reflect off mirrors, etc.) which is vaguely Rela+/FTL combat speed.
In Reborn, Wendy can very casually move around tornados at 3000 m/s for fun, but is implied faster.
Jhana can easily move through space at 95% the speed of light.
Kallen can pull a Spaceship out of a Black Hole.
Kiana and Mei can cross the world in a less than a second, the HG2 world being 6 trillion light years in radius, although this feat is very bizarre.
Later Kiana and Mei leave the Universe entirely, though we can't tell if this is a speed feat or them just teleporting.
 
Avengershows said:
All three Honkai games have less characters (who are noteworthy enough to have a vsbw page for) than the Nasuverse, which has a shared verse page.
There's also way less supporters. I think a merger of the three games would be adequate.
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I agree with you here
 
Avengershows said:
Honkai Gakuen 2 has wack scaling that's between H-1C and 1-B and maybe 1-A, but no one wants to scale it because no one here has properly played it's story (Except me).
Enjoy the strongest 2 beings from the Imaginary Tree (If we exclude Delta)
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Ik you said u want to retranslate it all but can you give some scans to show us? Just to give us an idea what you aim to actually show you know.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
Ik you said u want to retranslate it all but can you give some scans to show us? Just to give us an idea what you aim to actually show you know.
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  • "But whether it be Zombies, Honkai Beasts, Herrschers, or even Wendy, none had an aura that reeked of death as strongly as Mei's currently.
    Intuition told Bronya- that that was a stranger.
    From Kyuushou's perspective, Mei had transformed from a Herrscher into something beyond their cognition.
    Honkai Beasts in the order of magnitude in trillions, Will Derivatives, and even giant Unified Will's that were attacking the Earth spewed out from all directions and from the broken Moon, attacking Mei. Their total volume surpassing that of the entire Moon.
    Because if they don't kill her, the "unknown monster" named the God-Slayer Armor will.
    Something extremely terrible will happen with the Honkai."
  • "Otto:The ARK Fortress you're building requires you to fulfill two conditions.
    One is the Imaginary Space generated by the Core of the Second Herrscher, because only then can you complete your Fortress in a different plane to hide from the eyes and ears of Schicksal, so as to build a base without threat.
    The second is the ability to build a fortress in Imaginary Space, that requires your own gravitational powers to maintain the construction and composition of the Fortress, but also makes you consume a massive of power.
    You've found that the Core of the Second Herrscher was extremely limited in terms of the size of the Imaginary Space it could create without the control of a Herrscher, so you wanted to use Kiana to inherit the power of the Second Herrscher to create an infinitely sized space so you could build an even more massive ARK.
    The purpose of this ARK is obvious, that is, in the event of a Major Honkai Eruption on Earth, you'll use the ARK as a means of human survival, because you're under the impression that Imaginary Space is isolated from Honkai, you want to let humans escape, that's your plan.
    Am I right, Welt?"
  • "Honkai Energy twisted into a vortex in that pair of pitch black hands. Space and it's dimensions were given to the mercy of man." (From Seele Visual Novel, it's in reference to how she was going to basically Reality Marble shred the main trio)
  • "The cannon fire roared.
    The cannons from the smoke filled world struck the Will of the Abyss with a cohesive pillar of light.
    The energy that was originally sucked into It and made It more and more powerful became akin to an attractor, allowing the stream of light from the muzzle hit her with an unparalleled precision.
    And every time a hit was made, It's body would be slightly slowed down, allowing Fu Hua to take advantage of that opening.
    Fu Hua keenly captured every opening in the Will of the Abyss, striking thousands upon thousands of punches every second, the energy contained in each punch was far more ferocious than the one of the Cunjin - Taiyuan.
    After merging with Jingwei, Fu Hua's spirit and body seemed to be connected to the infinite tide of energy in the void. A punch and a kick were no longer just of her own power, but the energy of the entire world.
    This state brought her an unprecedented level of burden, Fu Hua felt that every inch of her body was quietly cracking, but it also brought her an unprecedented amount of power."
  • "The flame burned fiercely.
    Fu Hua did not speak.
    She poured her mind, spirit, body and qi all into this punch.
    Even the inside of her body was on the verge of disintegration to the extreme.
    But in the face of this unprecedentedly strong enemy in front of her, even she had to take the determination of sacrifice in order to swing an unshakeable punch.
    Will of the Abyss: I...
    All the Star Points in Will of the Abyss's body were in operation.
    This was a critical moment that it had never encountered since its descent into the human world.
    The Star Points in its body all connected in a single line, accelerating the supply of energy. Even though the core of her chest had been destroyed by Kallen's dedicated blow, it didn't matter as long as it could block that punch from Fu Hua.
    As long as it could be stopped!
    Will of the Abyss: By my divine word-
    Will of the Abyss: Will not stop here!
    The energy was even more massive than before, and likewise turned into a pool before Fu Hua's own fist by burning her own Qi, trying to dissipate the power of her first little by little.
    The Will of the Abyss, which was originally based in the high sky, was floating in space at this moment, allowing the Boundless Universe to bear this blow instead of itself.
    Starry Sky, Nothingness, Chaos."
  • (Otto's intention here for her was to create a being that transcends the Honkai, and is a God.)
    "Within mankind's history, every "evolution" was accompanied by a qualitative change in civilization.
    From learning to use tools to hunt, to using man-made weapons to kill each other, whether good or bad, all of it was a result of evolution.
    It's just that from the perspective of 「God」, this kind of evolution is akin to a baby going from crawling to learning how to walk. That's why it'll come down with the Honkai, trying to wipe out this useless race.
    So... If we can prove to 「God」that humans have the ability to step on a higher ladder, the arrogant God might lower their head and listen to our words.
    And this is what I am going to do now-
    (...)
    Otto: Only death can stop the human cells in the body from becoming active... And only in this way can the 「God」Factor be devoured.
    Otto: Experimental Body "δ", continue to devour, devour the Honaki... And then become an existence that is above the Honkai!
    (...)
    Otto: Flora, do you think that Delta has the potential to evolve into a God?
    Flora: My answer is in line with Ella's. I'm incapable of judging the situation due to insufficient samples, but according to the current situation, the experimental body has long surpassed the category of human... Even Herrscher...
    (...)
    Flora: Ella... If Otto's plan succeeds, perhaps as he said, it will create a life close to God.
    Ella: I cannot fully grasp the concept of God, which may be a term made by human beings to refer to things far beyond the realm of human cognition, ability and scope. But as things stand, the concept of God is not sufficient to explain her current state of being.
    Ella: Judging from sensor data, the Honaki in the Cocoon is evolving the cells and molecules within her body in a direction that is completely incalculable. All formulas and laws have been broken, Flora, is this the result that the Overseer really wishes for?
    Boom-!
    Kiana: Ugh... Was that just the Honkai emanating from the Cocoon that had this much overwhelming power?
    Otto: ...
    Kiana: Otto! What the f*ck are you creating!?
    Otto: The data results are far beyond imagination... Control Tower, is Delta's evolution over yet?
    Schicksal Valkyrie: Lord Overseer! The order of magnitude of Honkai Energy has exceeded the instrument's measurable range! The process cannot be estimated! The experiment has become out of control!
    (...)
    Mei: Yssring, look! Those dots of light in the sky are...
    Yssring: Don't touch them! I'm afraid they're a product of highly concentrated Honkai Energy... Is it because of the large amount of energy that they can be observed with the naked eye...?
    Schicksal Valkyrie: Zzt... Zzt... Reporting to the Overseer! Honkai Energy particles are spewing outwards away from the core area of the Gaia Experiment and are showing no signs of stopping!
    Zzt... Now the entire coastal area of Oceania has been eroded... Zzt... If not controlled immediately... Zzt... The entire world will be submerged in these spores... It will be destroyed and eroded by Honkai... Zzt... Must... As soon as possible... Zzt... Stop their spread.
    Yssring: It seems... that we've opened Pandora's Box.
    Kyuushou: Everyone look there! Is that Delta?!
    Delta: ...
    Kiana: Her appearance... It has become more butterfly-like.
    Otto: Is this the final form of evolution... Delta, can you hear what I'm saying?
    Delta: My lord Overseer... Am I still... human?
    Otto: ...Sorry, I'm unable to answer your question, but there is no doubt that you've transcended everything on this planet and reached the apex of life.
    Delta: Apex... what is that? If this is the result you wished for, have I completed my mission?
    Otto: Yes, you've done well, and your achievements have far exceeded my expectations.
    Otto: ...But unfortunately, mankind is not ready for such a force.
    Delta: I'm sorry, I can't control these spores... They're like my breath and my heartbeat... Maybe only by killing me can they stop.
    Otto: But I'm afraid that no way of killing you exists in the world.
    Delta: Really... It seems that I still messed up.
    (...)
    Delta: The evolution at that moment seemed to wash away all emotions in my heart. I seemed to be standing on a higher place, looking down at my dying self. I didn't have any superfluous emotions. I was simply examining the process of my withering, and watching to reach it's established ending.
    If I really want to use words to describe my current mood, "Moksha" is probably the closest. I consumed all my life for the time to counterattack, and I broke the limits of 「God」 with everything I had. All the tasks have been completed, all the values have been realized.
    No, what if I'm still far, far away from the real god, perhaps my own value hasn't been fully realized yet, but now I'm finally qualified to say "rest" to myself.
    My wings wrapped themselves, forming a closed bud, as if giving birth to the universal egg, it's a pity that this place of birth is not a miracle, but a person who was once a human being who transcended the end of human life.
    If I were to take a step further, would my mission be purification or destruction? With such a question, my consciousness began to muddle."
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Here's a few translations, it's the most "fun" stuff in my opinion. There's more weird stuff, like Yog Sothoth.
 
Right right. Though the work you said is it a visual novel with the original language being Chinese right? Or was it Japanese? Sorry I'm not familiar with that part as I only really know SR
 
She does remind me of Kurumi, which is funny because she made the Yuno Gasai yandere pose in the trailer
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
Sparkle/Hanabi trailer was freaky as hell, Kurumi from Date a Live vibes.
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You ain't ever gonna guess what miHoYo did with Kurumi
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Avengershows said:
You ain't ever gonna guess what miHoYo did with Kurumi
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Never knew that Kurumi is in HG2 as a collab lmao
And funnily enough, more fuel to make Homura vs Kurumi way more close if we include the higher dimensional bs, tho this is a cross-over thing so it might be difficult
 
Just make it an in-verse fight, they probably gonna share 99% abilities like every other verse with a physioligy page anyways.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
So Kurumi is hanami's mom confirmed?
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In the events story, a Black Hole, or rather Honkai Singularity, connects the spacetimes of the two worlds and sucks in the DAL characters.
Tohka absorbs most of the Honkai Energy, becoming a Herrscher sort-of? She's in a state that's in-between Inverse and Normal (according to the DAL characters) and is beat by Mei being good at lesbianing.
 
So is there anything else we need to start making profiles?

It's been almost a year since the game come out i feel we should have had at least a few pages by now
 
Giannysmag said:
So is there anything else we need to start making profiles?

It's been almost a year since the game come out i feel we should have had at least a few pages by now
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iirc when i asked about that you said that we have to solve the speed scaling issue...
 
Giannysmag said:
oh right for some reason i thought that got resolved
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well what do you think
i think scaling from seele sub rela onwards is fine
or scaling from welt relativistic
but that would only count for characters that fought along side or against main cast
 
Woomica said:
well what do you think
i think scaling from seele sub rela onwards is fine
or scaling from welt relativistic
but that would only count for characters that fought along side or against main cast
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I am vehemently against any of the Jarilo cast scaling to Selee's sub-rel feat. I still think the best scaling is supersonic-ish for Jarilo cast and Rel for everyone onward
 
Giannysmag said:
I am vehemently against any of the Jarilo cast scaling to Selee's sub-rel feat. I still think the best scaling is supersonic-ish for Jarilo cast and Rel for everyone onward
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e slapping jarilo cast supersonic and then subsonic for seele with ult i guess or just higher and rel for everyone well yea i think that works
 
GIcIXiqXIAAN97R

This thread dead, just like her currently. Curious to see how she and her resurrection get implemented. Tingyun doesn't send text messages to you, will Robin be the same way?

And it seems like Harmony is doing the rounds in the current cycle after all the Destructions in Luofu.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
GIcIXiqXIAAN97R

This thread dead, just like her currently. Curious to see how she and her resurrection get implemented. Tingyun doesn't send text messages to you, will Robin be the same way?
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Not rly interested in her...im waiting sam/firefly leaks and dripmarket
 
Avengershows said:
Why do we keep the Honkaiverse thing separate?
Honkai Gakuen 2/Honkai Impact 3rd/Honkai Star Rail all function within the same limits that for example Nasuverse does. And the goal of miHoYo was to create a unified fictional universe that's a bunch of interrelated games.
Genshin is the only exception purely due to the level of disconnection it has with everything else. It's only notable contribution is being a part of the Honkaiverse, but that's that.
The games on here don't have enough active fans either, so why keep things scattered and separate?
Scaling is also interconnected, so why not just make a unified verse?
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I agree, we should actually make a CRT to connect the verse's it's literally a nasuverse situation there's no shot it doesn't get accepted 💀
 
In fact you can argue it's even more clear cut than nasuverse because nasuverse has like 4 different power systems that don't rely on magecraft 💀
 
Woomica said:
Afaik honkai profiles should be reworked first
Then we should make hsr profiles
And then we can make an hoyoverse crt
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That would be a good way to go about it, but tbf connecting the verse's ahead of time would just allow for us to make profiles even more smoothly
 
Whoever made this:


I wish to make you aware that you're making a fallacy in translation.
Etymology =/= exact meaning.
"不可胜数" is an idiomatic expression (meaning, don't take the words composing it literally. Same how "over the Moon" in the sense of "He's been over the Moon because of the party" doesn't mean that he literally went over the Moon.) that just means "a whole shitton".
For example, the idiom is used in historical records:
《史记·封禅书》："然则怪迂阿谀苟合之徒自此兴；不可胜数也。"
《Historical Record · Book of Fengzen》: "However, the strange and pedantic people who flattered and cooperated with each other have flourished since then; there are countless of them."
 
Regarding the Phantylia Star Throw feat:
U = (3Gm^2)/(r(5-n))
n = 3 (It's a yellow star, so...)
r = 6.378e+6 m (Earth radius)
V= 1.083e+21 m3 (Earth Volume)
Rho = 1408 kg/m3 (Sun density)
m = 1.524864e+24 kg
G = 6.67408e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2
U = (3 x 6.67408e-11 x 1.524864e+24^2)/(6.378e+6(5-3)) = 3.649727e+31 Joules
GBE = Small Planet level

According to Jack's calc, which I find inaccurate because he assumes the star is a white dwarf, despite very clearly not being one:
27700000 m/s is the speed at which it's moving.
Relativistic KE: 5.584×10^38 Joules = Dwarf Star level

We know from Honkai 3rd that even most metamorphized Herrschers don't have nearly enough energy to destroy a planet, let alone non-metamorphized ones like Welt.
So this is consistent.
The star-eater mention could also be interpreted as planet-eater depending on what the Chinese text says, if someone has it, feel free to send it to me.
 
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