Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[PedjaTarzan]

Just make their 1-B purely statistical by themselves instead from said Path imo

yea thats better

 

[SuperNova55555]

who even mentioned “up to 1-B”? its literally posted as “via path” and the new justifications dont show anything related to affecting aeons

The entire justification is examples of certain Emanators affecting Aeons but this completely ignores the disparity in Path Energy and between Aeons themselves.

Feixiao isn’t as boosted as Irontomb for example. Theoretically, she can be if Lan wants to, but that also applies to every human in the verse.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The entire justification is examples of certain Emanators affecting Aeons but this completely ignores the disparity in Path Energy and between Aeons themselves.

Feixiao isn’t as boosted as Irontomb for example. Theoretically, she can be if Lan wants to, but that also applies to every human in the verse.

Ok but I tried to rework their justification

(Emanators can draw power from their respective Aeons, unleashing formidable strength far beyond a mere mortal. For example, the Lord Ravager Incomplete Irontomb can destroy the entire universe by drawing power from the Aeon of Destruction, Nanook. As a Scepter formerly used as a Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous, Incomplete Irontomb also surpasses the worthy Scepters that empowered Rubert II to destroy half of the universe with a single thought. Meanwhile, the Emanator of Nihility Acheron, can draw power from the Aeon of Nihility IX to transform, and is capable of destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream. The Lord Ravager Zephyro is also capable of drawing enough power to rupture the entire universe by clashing against the Herrscher of Reason Welt's Star of Eden Zeroth Power: Quasi Black Hole. Additionally, the Emanator of Remembrance Cyrene, can draw enough power to put the entire cosmos into complete statis by freezing the entire universe, bringing upon the 4th finality onto the entire Imaginary Tree)

If the issue is due to the drawing upon reasoning then it can be changed but otherwise I dont see what disqualifies them from even having 1-b at all

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ok but I tried to rework their justification

(Emanators can draw power from their respective Aeons, unleashing formidable strength far beyond a mere mortal. For example, the Lord Ravager Incomplete Irontomb can destroy the entire universe by drawing power from the Aeon of Destruction, Nanook. As a Scepter formerly used as a Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous, Incomplete Irontomb also surpasses the worthy Scepters that empowered Rubert II to destroy half of the universe with a single thought. Meanwhile, the Emanator of Nihility Acheron, can draw power from the Aeon of Nihility IX to transform, and is capable of destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream. The Lord Ravager Zephyro is also capable of drawing enough power to rupture the entire universe by clashing against the Herrscher of Reason Welt's Star of Eden Zeroth Power: Quasi Black Hole. Additionally, the Emanator of Remembrance Cyrene, can draw enough power to put the entire cosmos into complete statis by freezing the entire universe, bringing upon the 4th finality onto the entire Imaginary Tree)

If the issue is due to the drawing upon reasoning then it can be changed but otherwise I dont see what disqualifies them from even having 1-b at all

The issue is precisely “drawing power” bro. It’s not an AP they have inherently, but something given to them by another character (Aeon), so not only is not combat-applicable, but it is applicable to EVERY character in the verse

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The issue is precisely “drawing power” bro. It’s not an AP they have inherently, but something given to them by another character (Aeon), so not only is not combat-applicable, but it is applicable to EVERY character in the verse

Its not, emanators have separate thing when they are directly given permission to draw its powers from aeons
Pathstriders do it because they walk on the said path but if u look at it no pathstrider can do it same way emanators do
and if they DO have a way they use certain objects to do so (Cornerstone and Elation mask)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Its not, emanators have separate thing when they are directly given permission to draw its powers from aeons
Pathstriders do it because they walk on the said path but if u look at it no pathstrider can do it same way emanators do
and if they DO have a way they use certain objects to do so (Cornerstone and Elation mask)

They still have Path Energy limitations, even if they can draw power from Aeons. They specifically need to be given the additional Energy from Aeons otherwise there wouldn’t be a fuss about Aha’s worm or whatever if every Aeon could fully utilize their Path

The explanation here is that Pathstriders don’t use Path energy with the Aeons permission, only Emanators do

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They still have Path Energy limitations, even if they can draw power from Aeons. They specifically need to be given the additional Energy from Aeons otherwise there wouldn’t be a fuss about Aha’s worm or whatever if every Aeon could fully utilize their Path

The explanation here is that Pathstriders don’t use Path energy with the Aeons permission, only Emanators do

Im yet to see why their 1-B isnt combat applicable
if we already see emanators like zephyro using white holes acheron using naught generals usin their stands etc..
Like most of the time they use those powers they get to 1-B, especially zephyro
but ngl im more seeing emanators being directly tier 1 with that if anything

 

[Voidnether]

They still have Path Energy limitations, even if they can draw power from Aeons. They specifically need to be given the additional Energy from Aeons otherwise there wouldn’t be a fuss about Aha’s worm or whatever if every Aeon could fully utilize their Path

The explanation here is that Pathstriders don’t use Path energy with the Aeons permission, only Emanators do

Here's the thing though.
Aeons are scaled to Low 1-A since they're able to use the entirety of their Path's powers, the same way that Completed Irontomb does when it self-coronated into Nous, or Cyrene if she decides to become Fuli and Sunday after it became a new Aeon and then we have Noblesse Worm having access without it being an Aeon because Aha decides to do so

If 1-B is from affecting the entirety of the physical plane, or Real Space in this case, we scale the characters that's able to fight those who's able to do said feat, then it'd be purely statistical instead from drawing Imaginary Energy from said Path (better yet, just add Honkai Energy's UES to the Imaginary Energy since they're functionally the same thing)

3-B is still there for those who's unable to affect the entirety of Real Space + they don't have the capacity to fight those who's able to nuke the entire physical plane of the Tree (or everyone is just 1-B through UES, which one)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Im yet to see why their 1-B isnt combat applicable
if we already see emanators like zephyro using white holes acheron using naught generals usin their stands etc..
Like most of the time they use those powers they get to 1-B, especially zephyro
but ngl im more seeing emanators being directly tier 1 with that if anything

And is every Emanator Acheron and Zephyro level?? Hell no the 1-B stuff all depends on case-by-case basis bro

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Here's the thing though.
Aeons are scaled to Low 1-A since they're able to use the entirety of their Path's powers, the same way that Completed Irontomb does when it self-coronated into Nous, or Cyrene if she decides to become Fuli and Sunday after it became a new Aeon and then we have Noblesse Worm having access without it being an Aeon because Aha decides to do so

If 1-B is from affecting the entirety of the physical plane, or Real Space in this case, we scale the characters that's able to fight those who's able to do said feat, then it'd be purely statistical instead from drawing Imaginary Energy from said Path (better yet, just add Honkai Energy's UES to the Imaginary Energy since they're functionally the same thing)

3-B is still there for those who's unable to affect the entirety of Real Space + they don't have the capacity to fight those who's able to nuke the entire physical plane of the Tree (or everyone is just 1-B through UES, which one)

you alr have them at 1-B stat wise via Irontomb>Worthy Scepters lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I just wanna point out how them drawing power from their aeon’s path doesn’t equate to it being non combat applicable. Not combat applicable means they are INCAPABLE of using an ability at all for combat, like SSG Goku having the ability to forward “time” when transforming.

This doesn’t apply here. This is literally their entire shtick. You’d have to give a reason as to what physically stops them from drawing power in a fight.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I just wanna point out how them drawing power from their aeon’s path doesn’t equate to it being non combat applicable. Not combat applicable means they are INCAPABLE of using an ability at all for combat, like SSG Goku having the ability to forward “time” when transforming.

This doesn’t apply here. This is literally their entire shtick. You’d have to give a reason as to what physically stops them from drawing power in a fight.

drop a scan of arbitrator telling TB they use IMG energy in combat

 

[SuperNova55555]

I just wanna point out how them drawing power from their aeon’s path doesn’t equate to it being non combat applicable. Not combat applicable means they are INCAPABLE of using an ability at all for combat, like SSG Goku having the ability to forward “time” when transforming.

This doesn’t apply here. This is literally their entire shtick. You’d have to give a reason as to what physically stops them from drawing power in a fight.

The Aeons permission…? They can only draw as much as an Aeon allows them. Otherwise every Emanator would be the Elation Worm, or every Stoneheart would be equal to Diamond

 

[Voidnether]

Not combat applicable means they are INCAPABLE of using an ability at all for combat

99% of Genshin Impact when they have to use an ability for combat (they're incapable)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

drop a scan of arbitrator telling TB they use IMG energy in combat

Why do you need it. Just talk to the random ass arbitrator on the astral express 24/7 for the statement

 

[Voidnether]

The Aeons permission…? They can only draw as much as an Aeon allows them. Otherwise every Emanator would be the Elation Worm, or every Stoneheart would be equal to Diamond

Yeah but they draw enough power already to do 1-B feats like completely destroying the entire physical plane of the Tree, so...

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

And is every Emanator Acheron and Zephyro level?? Hell no the 1-B stuff all depends on case-by-case basis bro

I agree with this.

At best, what their attacks are mostly affecting is reality, and even then, it is limited to an area rather than the entirety of realspace

The only real way for them to get low 1-A is by actually harming the Aeon's true form

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yeah but they draw enough power already to do 1-B feats like completely destroying the entire physical plane of the Tree, so...

Yea… Zephyro and Irontomb. Famously known for being the weakest Emanators

 

[Voidnether]

Here's the thing though.
Aeons are scaled to Low 1-A since they're able to use the entirety of their Path's powers, the same way that Completed Irontomb does when it self-coronated into Nous, or Cyrene if she decides to become Fuli and Sunday after it became a new Aeon and then we have Noblesse Worm having access without it being an Aeon because Aha decides to do so

If 1-B is from affecting the entirety of the physical plane, or Real Space in this case, we scale the characters that's able to fight those who's able to do said feat, then it'd be purely statistical instead from drawing Imaginary Energy from said Path (better yet, just add Honkai Energy's UES to the Imaginary Energy since they're functionally the same thing)

3-B is still there for those who's unable to affect the entirety of Real Space + they don't have the capacity to fight those who's able to nuke the entire physical plane of the Tree (or everyone is just 1-B through UES, which one)

WHICH ONE BRO

 

[Voidnether]

Yea… Zephyro and Irontomb. Famously known for being the weakest Emanators

ok so we scale it physically yes to those whos able to fight either zephyro / irontomb for 1-B

 

[SuperNova55555]

ok so we scale it physically yes to those whos able to fight either zephyro / irontomb for 1-B

This is at their peak mind you. Do we know of a single Emanator who survived Irontomb’s nuke or the clash between Zephyro and Welt?

 

[Voidnether]

This is at their peak mind you. Do we know of a single Emanator who survived Irontomb’s nuke or the clash between Zephyro and Welt?

All I see is Chrysos Heirs being 1-B since they're able to fight the same Irontomb who nuked the cosmos

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The Aeons permission…? They can only draw as much as an Aeon allows them. Otherwise every Emanator would be the Elation Worm, or every Stoneheart would be equal to Diamond

Ok. This is like an entirely different concern than it being “non combat applicable”.

To get it cleared out of the way first. It is combat applicable. You’d have to give like a legitimate reason as to what prevents them from using their main shtick in a fight for it to be non combat applicable.

For example, bleach. Is half of Stark’s strength and kit not combat applicable because he’s drawing power from Lilynette?

For this concern though, all there would need to be is a justification redo regarding drawing power.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I agree with this.

At best, what their attacks are mostly affecting is reality, and even then, it is limited to an area rather than the entirety of realspace

The only real way for them to get low 1-A is by actually harming the Aeon's true form

Who is arguing this bro. No one is trying to argue emanators scaling to low 1-a rn. The discussion is their 1-B rating.

 

[SuperNova55555]

All I see is Chrysos Heirs being 1-B since they're able to fight the same Irontomb who nuked the cosmos

Yea nah, they explicitly don’t scale to the 1-B attack. There’s like, very clear differences between the Core’s attack and the Coronation

To get it cleared out of the way first. It is combat applicable. You’d have to give like a legitimate reason as to what prevents them from using their main shtick in a fight for it to be non combat applicable.

Issue is we should just put it for every HSR character then because all they need to do is to get an Aeon to give it to them which is the same thing an Emanator needs to do

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Issue is we should just put it for every HSR character then because all they need to do is to get an Aeon to give it to them which is the same thing an Emanator needs to do

What pathstriders does this apply to bro. Gepard? What happened to Emanators being immeasurably stronger than mere pathstriders?

 

[SuperNova55555]

What pathstriders does this apply to bro. Gepard? What happened to Emanators being immeasurably stronger than mere pathstriders?

That’s not the point. It’s the fact that the requirement for 1-B is for an Aeon to grant it to you. Which isn’t something exclusive to Emanators (as this is how Pathstriders become Emanators to begin with)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Who is arguing this bro. No one is trying to argue emanators scaling to low 1-a rn. The discussion is their 1-B rating.

The 3rd statement is a general opinion

Also, I disagree with Chrysaor Heir being 1-B just because they fought Irontomb
What went down in the fight is far more complex than just chainscaling and actual people that are on that tier using the Chrysoar heir as a whole composite rather than individually

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That’s not the point. It’s the fact that the requirement for 1-B is for an Aeon to grant it to you. Which isn’t something exclusive to Emanators (as this is how Pathstriders become Emanators to begin with)

Are you trying to argue that literally any pathstriders can become an emanator mid fight by just getting an Aeon to grant it to them like it’s an Emanator bargain sale bro. You think Gepard can just call Qlipoth like THEY are Lester from GTA and have THEM give Emanator status on the spot?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Are you trying to argue that literally any pathstriders can become an emanator mid fight by just getting an Aeon to grant it to them like it’s an Emanator bargain sale bro. You think Gepard can just call Qlipoth like THEY are Lester from GTA and have THEM give Emanator status on the spot?

Do you think Emanators can just ask Aeons to gift them their full power…? Maybe for Aha sure. Doubt the others.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Are you trying to argue that literally any pathstriders can become an emanator mid fight by just getting an Aeon to grant it to them like it’s an Emanator bargain sale bro. You think Gepard can just call Qlipoth like THEY are Lester from GTA and have THEM give Emanator status on the spot?

You're not asking me, but yeah, It would. Afterall these power came from the Aeons. If they want to, they will
What is stopping them?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Acheron vs Zephyro after they take a phone break to speed dial aeons so they can draw power from them

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

You're not asking me, but yeah, It would. Afterall these power came from the Aeons. If they want to, they will
What is stopping them?

“What stops them”
Being ghosted by their Aeon which literally canonically happens in game because Aeons are straight up stated to not give a shit about mere pathstriders
It entirely being dependent on if their Aeon even wants to bother giving them Emanator status

Like can either one of yall name scenarios where a random bloke can call upon their aeon and go “Yo Ena. Make me an emanator right now, this is yanqing we are fighting”

Like wtf

 

[SuperNova55555]

So the justification I’m seeing right now is that Emanators merely have a higher chance of being 1-B (Low 1-A in fact), because they have a better shot at communicating with their Aeons or whatever.

I’m not even sure that a “higher chance at being 1-B” is even applicable as a rating here but in any case, there needs to be a revision on the justification to reflect this because as of now it portrays Emanators are being capable of enacting their entire Paths’ energy at will when that’s only possible if an Aeon blesses them.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

“What stops them”
Being ghosted by their Aeon which literally canonically happens in game because Aeons are straight up are stated to not give a shit about mere pathstriders
It entirely being dependent on if their Aeon even wants to bother giving them Emanator status

Like can either one of yall name scenarios where a random bloke can call upon their aeon and go “Yo Ena. Make me an emanator right now, this is yanqing we are fighting”

Like wtf

Your example isn't what we are trying to point out about being given or having 1-B levels of power.
idk how this is even relevant when Aeon can just do it or not do it.

again missing the point. That to even reach 1-B, you'd actually need enough to reach such a level and only a few are actually granted power at such level even for emanators. So the idea of emanators scaling to each other in stats is questionable
Hax there isn't a problem

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So the justification I’m seeing right now is that Emanators merely have a higher chance of being 1-B (Low 1-A in fact), because they have a better shot at communicating with their Aeons or whatever.

I’m not even sure that a “higher chance at being 1-B” is even applicable as a rating here but in any case, there needs to be a revision on the justification to reflect this because as of now it portrays Emanators are being capable of enacting their entire Paths’ energy at will when that’s only possible if an Aeon blesses them.

I am perfectly fine with personally reworking the justification so it doesn’t get extrapolated as all emanators are worm level.

All I’m saying is that it’s combat applicable for the Emanators to draw upon their aeon’s path because that’s their main shtick and nothing prevents them from doing it in a fight.

A random bloke CANNOT just call upon their aeon just to become an Emanator on the spot for the funnies. We’ve canonically seen mere pathstriders getting ghosted by Aeons for MUCH LESS requests.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

again missing the point. That to even reach 1-B, you'd actually need enough to reach such a level and only a few are actually granted power at such level even for emanators. So the idea of emanators scaling to each other in stats is questionable
Hax there isn't a problem

Who?

There’s like 10+ statements of Emanators being comparable to each other and it was hammered down to death. Literally there are only 3 people who were made CLEAR to be exceptions.
Complete Irontomb, who possesses strength far beyond that of an “Emanator’s”
Cyrene, who can literally just become Fuli
And the worm who gained unrestricted 100% access to the Path of Elation for shit and giggles because Aha yes.

 

[Voidnether]

So the justification I’m seeing right now is that Emanators merely have a higher chance of being 1-B (Low 1-A in fact), because they have a better shot at communicating with their Aeons or whatever.

I’m not even sure that a “higher chance at being 1-B” is even applicable as a rating here but in any case, there needs to be a revision on the justification to reflect this because as of now it portrays Emanators are being capable of enacting their entire Paths’ energy at will when that’s only possible if an Aeon blesses them.

You do know Acheron walked into IX's shadow and became an Emanator that's somehow able to draw powers from IX, like IX didn't even bless Acheron if he's just doing absolutely nothing lol

 

[SuperNova55555]

You do know Acheron walked into IX's shadow and became an Emanator that's somehow able to draw powers from IX, like IX didn't even bless Acheron if he's just doing absolutely nothing lol

Thats cuz IX does everything passively. He doesn’t even intend to defend himself, mfs js die. Same thing with Emanators, they just absorb it passively by going deeper into IX

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

I think the 1b should be only for the emanators who have shows or are said to be able to draw out power from their aeon like Acheron, irontomb and Zephyro for example, since like nova said anyone can theoretically get that power from aeons but doesn't mean they have it or would make sense in the story for them to gain it. So only emanators capable of drawing power should get it, until in the story said character or emanator does draw 1b levels of strength from their aeon