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Honkai Impact 3rd

I remember Enryu the Red Twoer once telling me a couple years ago the scaling used to be

CoF Kiana > Deliverance Kevin > HoFi Kiana = HoO Mei = HoTr Bronya >> This Worldly Beast Kevin >> Diabolic AHR Kevin ~>=~ HoHE Elysia = Post-ER HoT Mei = HoFs Kiana = PE Durandal = False God Otto = baseline 1-A+, the same as the Aeons

Now with Amphoreus having finished and all, with Cyrene, Irontomb and the rest in the picture, how does the scaling chain go now? Is it still the same or what's happening?
 
VericulumVenatrix said:
I remember Enryu the Red Twoer once telling me a couple years ago the scaling used to be

CoF Kiana > Deliverance Kevin > HoFi Kiana = HoO Mei = HoTr Bronya >> This Worldly Beast Kevin >> Diabolic AHR Kevin ~>=~ HoHE Elysia = Post-ER HoT Mei = HoFs Kiana = PE Durandal = False God Otto = baseline 1-A+, the same as the Aeons

Now with Amphoreus having finished and all, with Cyrene, Irontomb and the rest in the picture, how does the scaling chain go now? Is it still the same or what's happening?
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Compare Tribbie to Kevin’s profile
 
Okay that is hilarious lmao

Okay then last question, how does everyone compare to Kiana in her CoF key now, given that she is also 'Possibly Low 1-A'

Only the most important ones like Cyrene, Irontomb, the Aeons and the other Cyrene Amped CHs
 
VericulumVenatrix said:
I remember Enryu the Red Twoer once telling me a couple years ago the scaling used to be

CoF Kiana > Deliverance Kevin > HoFi Kiana = HoO Mei = HoTr Bronya >> This Worldly Beast Kevin >> Diabolic AHR Kevin ~>=~ HoHE Elysia = Post-ER HoT Mei = HoFs Kiana = PE Durandal = False God Otto = baseline 1-A+, the same as the Aeons

Now with Amphoreus having finished and all, with Cyrene, Irontomb and the rest in the picture, how does the scaling chain go now? Is it still the same or what's happening?
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VericulumVenatrix said:
Okay that is hilarious lmao

Okay then last question, how does everyone compare to Kiana in her CoF key now, given that she is also 'Possibly Low 1-A'

Only the most important ones like Cyrene, Irontomb, the Aeons and the other Cyrene Amped CHs
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Idk, shes probably comparable now given Low 1-A Aeons and CoF are BDE2 with Cyrene and Irontomb being below Aeons (Unless u take Fuli ascendend Cyrene then shes Aeon level too, Irontomb is aeon level after he snatches nous head) and CH being just below them via being amped by cyrene and erudition
 
Oh right this all will prolly be laughabel once Honkai Nexus Anima comes out and says thst the Sovereigns and the likes are beyond Aeons or whatever lmaoo
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Nah that’s hilarious how did we go from there somehow being this massive ass scale chain above the aeons to Tribbie mogging 99% of HI3 in the scale chain
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Amped Chrysos Heirs consistently damaging Complete Irontomb while Diamond and the Ten Stonehearts would be powerless against it despite them being capable of summoning and controlling Qlipoth's hammer is hilarious tbh
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Just saying. They were capable of preventing Sunday’s aeon ascension yet shit bricks at the thought of preventing Irontomb’s birth.
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Irontomb birth was literally inevitable anyway, its literally noted and Nous themselves knew that. tho its funny that the so called "using cornerstone power outside its owner presence" wasnt used to bonk his ass via qlipoth hammer lol
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Irontomb birth was literally inevitable anyway, its literally noted and Nous themselves knew that. tho its funny that the so called "using cornerstone power outside its owner presence" wasnt used to bonk his ass via qlipoth hammer lol
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1.It only applies to Jade.

2. It refers to the activation of the cornerstone’s power pretty sure.
 
okay so all of HSR is getting downscaled to low 1-c with yet another CTR on the way, I can't be bothered to read through 15+ pages though, so can someone tell me if Kiana and co are getting downscaled to low 1-c too?
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Bro said HSR like Sea Of Quanta itself wasn’t the one that got cooked
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as i said i can't be arsed to read the thread, but ain't the Sea of Quanta stated to be 11 Dimensional? Or did people take the statement from Otto Apocalypse about it being 4 Dimensional with 'folded planes' analogy too serious?
 
VericulumVenatrix said:
yeah you's right, but deadass when do we even get that chance, mfers left and right jumping the bullet to downgrade the verse into oblivion without any cooldown time
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That's honestly my main gripe with Honkaiverse downgrade CRTs. Plus, even if you do manage to get evidence to get it back to 11D (and possibly even get it higher), chances are people are gonna ignore it for a long time.
 
People are just so desperate to get this verse downgraded just because "muhhh gacha gooner waifu game muhhh" or whatever ridiculous reason.
 
This downgrade is really odd considering the different types of Bubble Worlds and how they're actually formed. I have no statements since this is purely from memory, this is more of a thought exercise.

If I am correct:
Bubble Universes are formed in several ways:
  • Excess information from 'reality' leaking into the Sea of Quanta.
  • A world 'failing the Honkai's test' and thus being pruned from the Imaginary Tree, falling into the SoQ. (This is seen VIA MWI Honkai and Su's observations in the seed of Sumeru in the manga. IIRC All these worlds failed the Honkai's test and would've became Bubble Universes too. These worlds would be the same in size as the 'Real' Hi3 world the main story takes place in AND would logically all be in the SoQ now.)
  • IIRC the awakening of the Herrscher of Finality made a Bubble Universe in Chapter 32.
  • Kevin made a bubble universe using his memory alone to teach Seele in Chapter 12.
  • Also (if the wiki is right) the bubble universe in the Rita and Bianka VN is made by the Previous Era, potentially being why it's smaller.

The Sea of Quanta also slowly mixes these bubble universes into itself, aka why the Sea is so chaotic and impossible to survive in, thus explaining why upon observation Bubble Universes are smaller, they've been partially dissolved into the SOQ already.

Just some ideas, idk.
 
the downgrade mostly come from the fact that Dimensionality of the verse is compact thus can not be use for tiering at least not fully
 
I swear I remember there being a scan that time in Imaginary Space was explicitly non-linear, likely somewhere in Chapter 25-EX, the manga with Su and the Seed of Sumeru or maybe Chapter 15? No clue. Might be making things up but I can't find it for the life of me.
Maybe in Thus Spoke Apocalypse??
 
Time in Imaginary just work differently not like it matter at anyway since the best you can get is still 5D via superiority over Time unless said Time is not 4D somehow, also yes it's in Thus yap fest that Nagamitsu yap about Time
 
Just something in my head and I wanted to 'rant' a little.

This verse is so weird constantly fighting upscaling, downscaling, L1-A, 1-C. It's crazy how many people (who haven't played the game) are commenting on its scaling and bringing their own headcanons into things. (99% of the playerbase has not read the VNs and I doubt the VNs are even accurate to the current game's vision on the Imaginary Tree given they came before HSR and GI, both of which are relevant to the game).

Thankfully we have some staff who know how the Imaginary Tree works at its base. I read some nonsense in the latest thread about the Aeons being capped to just HSR and not scaling to the whole Imaginary Tree.
Yet we have proof Path Energy is in Hi3 (despite the world being hidden by the CoF, millions of years older than the Aeons, so Paths / Path energy may exist before their Aeon) and proof Aha climbed to the crown of the Imaginary Tree looking down upon it through in game statements. People who suggest the theory should present evidenced proof that the Aeons cannot effect Hi3 or GI rather than 'they can't because they haven't yet' (This isn't even going into Vita as a masked fool, Nahralab and all that Part 2 stuff. Hi3 Part 2 also takes place far before Irontomb in the timeline, so we wouldn't have seen if that fight effects Hi3 yet).

Personally I just believe there's too much conflict regarding how the Imaginary Tree actually works, and I do want to refine my current understanding of it, so I'm going to post my own 'headcanon' and see what others think about it.

For the mechanics of the Tree, fairly basic. This much seems to be basic knowledge with people who've actually played the game.
The Imaginary Tree is a structure whose branches represent the flowing path of time, ever-extending, ever-growing. If a branch splits a new timeline is created - The Tree runs on MWI, as seen in the Seed of Sumeru, many other examples.
This is why when Otto blatantly makes new futures for Kallen a new branch grows, a new timeline made, new futures to be explored.
At the end of a branch sits every leaf - the current present of their respective worlds. If a world dies the leaf falls off the tree and into the SoQ, slowly becoming a bubble world that unless anchored becomes smaller and smaller, until the world entirely dissipates and its contents are now just floating around in the Sea.
I've always thought that the idea of a 'Bubble World' came from bubbles (each world's contents) merging and slowly settling into a still surface, much like the surface of water inside a bathtub.
As evidenced in HSR, this pruning of leaves and their branches is necessary as the tree would otherwise crumble under its infinite weight. Droidhead does part of this work but I'd imagine the SoQ does too.

Imaginary Space is simply the gaps between the branches. Nothing can exist there as seen in Chapter 25-Ex.

As for what's more complicated are the mechanics of Imaginary Space and mapping it and its trees topology onto the HSR-verse.
I don't know if Imaginary Space's time is non-existent, simply just different in speed or completely asymmetrical, travelling backwards, etc.

What I believe we currently know is each Solar System or Galaxy (I believe the latter) is surrounded by Imaginary Energy. No leaving without special exemptions like Emanator status, the train, or some other piece of tech. Only these people, much like Durandal, can handle the tide of Imaginary Energy and not be destroyed like Himeko was. If you manage to comprehend the space and travel in the right direction... you can stumble across another leaf.

The scaling of it is much more debated given the VN, but it certainly holds infinities upon infinities of galaxy-sized objects, each holding their own bubble worlds (Chapter 32, the bubble world made by Finality, the VN's bubble world, etc etc.) There's likely a determined rough amount with scans I don't have... but oh well. Correct me if I'm wrong, scans or no scans, I don't mind.

I'm saying a lot of this because I have a large issue with the cosmology page. It's a LOT of scans, something most won't read through and take the time to properly comprehend. I believe it needs to be more comprehensive, or at least an option for that... but I'm not gonna take the time to redo the entire page either.
Why I believe this? There's no amount of people coming into the verse debating on established facts and claiming people we know to be believable are 'unreliable', soaking up time that could be used elsewhere.
 
What I certain of the cosmology are if you are not in Imaginary Space and physical planes, you are in the sea of Quanta.

In the past, I would think how did main world of HI3rd managed to get contact with the Sea. Since I thought of the sea as relatively the ground where IMG Tree stand upon and the leaf world are so above it that they shouldn't be able to interact.

But then I realised that the Tree and Sea are just a metaphor lol.

Anyway, strongest existence shouldn't be even Finality lol. Since even Sa who have one-tenth of Finality power need to eat world bubbles to sustain herself in SoQ.

Meanwhile Captain and Ferryman linked countless World Bubbles by themselves and travelling SoQ without even a single harm, plus their Immortality are busted.

Ferryman in his peak managed to use countless multiple Ether Anchors to boost his powers, Durandal only have one ether anchor, imagine peak Ferryman. And yet Captain still defeated him Kek.
 
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PlungingThroughTime said:
At the end of a branch sits every leaf - the current present of their respective worlds. If a world dies the leaf falls off the tree and into the SoQ, slowly becoming a bubble world that unless anchored becomes smaller and smaller, until the world entirely dissipates and its contents are now just floating around in the Sea.
I've always thought that the idea of a 'Bubble World' came from bubbles (each world's contents) merging and slowly settling into a still surface, much like the surface of water inside a bathtub.
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The World Bubbles are actually become a bit of not menacing because of Captainverse lol. Since there literally companies of Quantum Shadows who made world bubbles as their homes, and they can travel to other world bubbles.

World Bubbles that inhabited by Quantum Shadows are surprisingly stable as shown in Captain Ranch Tales.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Just something in my head and I wanted to 'rant' a little.

This verse is so weird constantly fighting upscaling, downscaling, L1-A, 1-C. It's crazy how many people (who haven't played the game) are commenting on its scaling and bringing their own headcanons into things. (99% of the playerbase has not read the VNs and I doubt the VNs are even accurate to the current game's vision on the Imaginary Tree given they came before HSR and GI, both of which are relevant to the game).

Thankfully we have some staff who know how the Imaginary Tree works at its base. I read some nonsense in the latest thread about the Aeons being capped to just HSR and not scaling to the whole Imaginary Tree.
Yet we have proof Path Energy is in Hi3 (despite the world being hidden by the CoF, millions of years older than the Aeons, so Paths / Path energy may exist before their Aeon) and proof Aha climbed to the crown of the Imaginary Tree looking down upon it through in game statements. People who suggest the theory should present evidenced proof that the Aeons cannot effect Hi3 or GI rather than 'they can't because they haven't yet' (This isn't even going into Vita as a masked fool, Nahralab and all that Part 2 stuff. Hi3 Part 2 also takes place far before Irontomb in the timeline, so we wouldn't have seen if that fight effects Hi3 yet).

Personally I just believe there's too much conflict regarding how the Imaginary Tree actually works, and I do want to refine my current understanding of it, so I'm going to post my own 'headcanon' and see what others think about it.

For the mechanics of the Tree, fairly basic. This much seems to be basic knowledge with people who've actually played the game.
The Imaginary Tree is a structure whose branches represent the flowing path of time, ever-extending, ever-growing. If a branch splits a new timeline is created - The Tree runs on MWI, as seen in the Seed of Sumeru, many other examples.
This is why when Otto blatantly makes new futures for Kallen a new branch grows, a new timeline made, new futures to be explored.
At the end of a branch sits every leaf - the current present of their respective worlds. If a world dies the leaf falls off the tree and into the SoQ, slowly becoming a bubble world that unless anchored becomes smaller and smaller, until the world entirely dissipates and its contents are now just floating around in the Sea.
I've always thought that the idea of a 'Bubble World' came from bubbles (each world's contents) merging and slowly settling into a still surface, much like the surface of water inside a bathtub.
As evidenced in HSR, this pruning of leaves and their branches is necessary as the tree would otherwise crumble under its infinite weight. Droidhead does part of this work but I'd imagine the SoQ does too.

Imaginary Space is simply the gaps between the branches. Nothing can exist there as seen in Chapter 25-Ex.

As for what's more complicated are the mechanics of Imaginary Space and mapping it and its trees topology onto the HSR-verse.
I don't know if Imaginary Space's time is non-existent, simply just different in speed or completely asymmetrical, travelling backwards, etc.

What I believe we currently know is each Solar System or Galaxy (I believe the latter) is surrounded by Imaginary Energy. No leaving without special exemptions like Emanator status, the train, or some other piece of tech. Only these people, much like Durandal, can handle the tide of Imaginary Energy and not be destroyed like Himeko was. If you manage to comprehend the space and travel in the right direction... you can stumble across another leaf.

The scaling of it is much more debated given the VN, but it certainly holds infinities upon infinities of galaxy-sized objects, each holding their own bubble worlds (Chapter 32, the bubble world made by Finality, the VN's bubble world, etc etc.) There's likely a determined rough amount with scans I don't have... but oh well. Correct me if I'm wrong, scans or no scans, I don't mind.

I'm saying a lot of this because I have a large issue with the cosmology page. It's a LOT of scans, something most won't read through and take the time to properly comprehend. I believe it needs to be more comprehensive, or at least an option for that... but I'm not gonna take the time to redo the entire page either.
Why I believe this? There's no amount of people coming into the verse debating on established facts and claiming people we know to be believable are 'unreliable', soaking up time that could be used elsewhere.
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When Ichiban becomes Low 1-C by the same wankers who wanked their fiction to be as arbitrarily as high as possible (High 1-A) but still losing against a High 1-A+ chinaman verse that they don't downgrade because obviously no one wants to sit through 10000+ chapters and Tier 2 verses being obsessed with Low 1-C as a whole. I mean objectively everything rn is inaccurate cosmology wise, literal Cthulhu Mythos being capped to High 1-B and losing against Low 1-A SRE characters or Yog-Sothoth from GGZ who's also Low 1-A should tell you enough that everything that has happened cannot be taken seriously at all tiering wise..

Cause how do you have the very first ever verse (Cthulhu Mythos) that introduces what the term "Outerversal" is and only be infinite dimensional, like there's no way someone still thinks the tiering are correct and stuff
 
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@Voidnether how about this template
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Honkai Energy

The Honkai is a cosmic force of nature that pervades the shared multiverse of Honkai Impact 3rd. Honkai Energy is the main byproduct of all manifestations of the Honkai across universes. Sufficient concentrations of Honkai Energy radiation can cause several adverse effects on all living beings...
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this one just an example
 
TWILIGHT-OP said:
@Voidnether how about this template
vsbattles.fandom.com

Honkai Energy

The Honkai is a cosmic force of nature that pervades the shared multiverse of Honkai Impact 3rd. Honkai Energy is the main byproduct of all manifestations of the Honkai across universes. Sufficient concentrations of Honkai Energy radiation can cause several adverse effects on all living beings...
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this one just an example
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Yeah this works, add this on Imaginary Energy and Aeon Physiology too thanks
 
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