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pretty sure its Infinite one due to IT and HooH being literally Otto 2.0 (part of IT)Did you even noticed that they will be downscaling from 1/10 of the BASELINE 1-B (12-D)
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Honkai Impact 3rd
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Well i told the certain someone to do it but they still didnt lol
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Castorice handed it over to me since he doesn't know anything but I'm too lazy anyway zzz
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im gonna slime you and castorice vro
Yanina92
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Most of them should've higher though, as S-Valkyries have an raw power comparable to herrschers
Hsharpe
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I think it was mentioned here in this thread that the 3-B is a good baseline for any S-Rank Valkyrie that hasn’t shown much feats or hasn’t fought a Herrscher. Essentially, it allows more obscure S-Rank Valkyries to upscale from TB.
Yanina92
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Isn't that like an standard? If I remember well TB was compared with an S-Rank Valkyrie not exactly with the most weak ones and almost all S-Rank Valkyries are Herrscher level and even A-Rank Valkyries can fought against Pseudo Herrschers that are half of 1 Core Sirin power, so it should make sense about all of the S-Rank Valkyries being in the Herrscher power, I don't see why TB can't scale to it too.
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Lygus please drop fcking throne emanators 
EINAKUROMU
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Tbh, I think HoF Kiana should stay at 1-B. When Durandal and Kiana fought against False God Otto, Kiana didn’t use her Void powers. False God Otto was still beaten physically by Kiana and Durandal. If I recall correctly, Kiana even knocked back False God Otto and cracked his mask. She only used her Void powers at the very last moment.
If I am not mistaken, False God Otto’s energy spike was on a similar level to PE HoFi. In the past, Kevin fought against PE HoFi and was only able to immobilize her for 12 hours by using the Zeroth Power of the Judgment of Shamash. As HoF, Kiana should be capable of attacks on a similar level (though I know chain scaling is suck).
As for why HoF Kiana’s attacks had no effect on Kevin... first of all, Kevin is a MANTIS with the power to control ice, which is one of the reasons he can use the Judgment of Shamash at Zeroth Power. Kiana, as HoF should capable unleash attacks similar level to the Judgment of Shamash, but Kevin’s ice control and passive cold aura make her attacks ineffective. You know what I mean right?
(This is diabolical Kevin we’re talking about, his ice should be even stronger, and he’s far more experienced.)
Well then, ciao!
If I am not mistaken, False God Otto’s energy spike was on a similar level to PE HoFi. In the past, Kevin fought against PE HoFi and was only able to immobilize her for 12 hours by using the Zeroth Power of the Judgment of Shamash. As HoF, Kiana should be capable of attacks on a similar level (
As for why HoF Kiana’s attacks had no effect on Kevin... first of all, Kevin is a MANTIS with the power to control ice, which is one of the reasons he can use the Judgment of Shamash at Zeroth Power. Kiana, as HoF should capable unleash attacks similar level to the Judgment of Shamash, but Kevin’s ice control and passive cold aura make her attacks ineffective. You know what I mean right?
(This is diabolical Kevin we’re talking about, his ice should be even stronger, and he’s far more experienced.)Well then, ciao!
Yanina92
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Otto didn't have the infinite energy output as an individual that's very much explicit, his power was limited as physical so he can't be 1-B physically the only thing infinite was his Imaginary Space. Also he mentioned his power was being weakened by Kiana before she used the last attack.
This doesn't work because the PE HoFi was weakened and hasn't even half her full power, even with that Diabolic Kevin one-shot HoF Kiana and she wasn't capable of doing nothing to him.
There no statement of Diabolic Kevin being stronger than PE HoFi that I remember, the entire trio was incapable of damage him and he one-shot them with an single attack. If they were really in Finality level they wouldn't get one-shoted by him which doesn't make sense, Deliverance Kevin was confirmed to be stronger than PE HoFi but not Diabolic.As for why HoF Kiana’s attacks had no effect on Kevin... first of all, Kevin is a MANTIS with the power to control ice, which is one of the reasons he can use the Judgment of Shamash at Zeroth Power. Kiana, as HoF should capable unleash attacks similar level to the Judgment of Shamash, but Kevin’s ice control and passive cold aura make her attacks ineffective. You know what I mean right?
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I don't think Kevin's fight against weakened PE HoFi can be used to scale Kiana, since Judgement of Shamash is weaker than Herrsher of Fire. With Kiana being the Herrsher of Fire with fancy name, along with many other powers inside her, she should be able to outperform Judgement of Shamash very easily. It would be really really weird if somehow she can't outperform a Divine Key use by a weirdly OP human
Then there is the fact that Kevin has to use all of his power against PE HoFi with 70% power maximum, presumably, even the power that will be used for AHR is also included in this single attack (the very Energy manipulation in the profile itself), and even then, he only manages to immobilize PE HoFi
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ill repeat this again, (hopefully scans help out this time)
Otto power comes directly from the tree in form of imaginary on top of the infinite honkai energy, and despite that it should be noted that his 1-B should be from Imaginary and not honkai energy. hes literally labeled as Imaginary in his attributes.
otto not having img energy on his page is generational skill issue
so thanks to tree and power of imaginary, despite jobbing at using infinite honkai output he still has 1-B output trough power of imaginary from the tree
it also goes well when we know that honkai comes from CoF
Otto power comes directly from the tree in form of imaginary on top of the infinite honkai energy, and despite that it should be noted that his 1-B should be from Imaginary and not honkai energy. hes literally labeled as Imaginary in his attributes.
so thanks to tree and power of imaginary, despite jobbing at using infinite honkai output he still has 1-B output trough power of imaginary from the tree
it also goes well when we know that honkai comes from CoF
EINAKUROMU
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Didn’t he already ascend to the Imaginary Tree and become part of it? His physical body was already gone(sacrificed) by the time he make a contact with Imaginary Tree and became False God Otto.
What do you mean? False God Otto energy spike is equal to Herrscher of Finality. Since Kevin was able to immobilize PE HoFi for 12 hours, and PE HoFi(70%) wasn’t grievously injured, that's also means she wasn’t completely unharmed(it could also mean a bruise, a scratch and etc). Kiana, as the Herrscher of Flamescion, should be capable of delivering a similar level of attack. Also, Diabolical Kevin uses Finality's power against the trio
I never claimed that Diabolical Kevin is stronger than PE HoFi. I was only explaining why Kiana’s attacks seemed ineffective against him. Since you brought it up, I recall that Diabolical Kevin used Finality’s power against the trio, so he should be at least comparable to the PE Herrscher of Finality.
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Yanina92
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He clearly still had his body in the fight against Durandal and Kiana unless I'm missing smh. Nagamitsu was very much confident that Kiana and Durandal could take Otto down because he haves an limited power as an individual, the only thing infinite is his Imaginary Space and the regeneration of his own Authority.
The original raw says that Prometheus recorded an energy spike strong enough to affect the entire planet in an instant even without the Herrscher of Finality arrival, not that he haves an power comparable to her but that he did an feat that only the Herrscher of the Finality could do.
They used all the methods to weaken the Herrscher of Finality and Kevin even used the Judgement of Shamash which is the most destructive divine key compared to the Star of Eden and Selene impared the Herrscher of Finality ability to hold to her Honkai Reserves, that's why Kevin was capable of inmovilize her temporally but not more than that as Selene was the only weapon effective against HoFi.
The finality power is much powerful than them even Garuda Fu Hua didn't have any chance against Kevin using it and he one-shot Senti with it. I don't think AHR Kevin should stronger than the PE Herrscher of Finality without using the Authority of Finality or with only an limited portion of it, again he was only stated to be more powerful than her in his Deliverance Kevin form and he mastered the Authority of Finality in that moment.
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near infinite honkai energy vs range who wins
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im alr mid finishing crt for verse ratingI think someone needs to do an crt for flamescion kiana, god otto and the kalpas false statement bcs it was an mistranslation too (idk how to do crt, I promised to do the mage & demon queen one)
high 1C is gonna say bye and 1-B will remain from FG otto and onwards (literally like strongest forms of kevin and main trio)
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So, anyone and any weapon who is currently rated as High 1-C will be downgraded to 3-B?
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Divine keys will get varies depending on user
up to 1-B with 0th power given its always used by herrschers or those on that level
and herrschers will get 1-B ap via authorities
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So, Otto, Kevin, Welt, Bronya and others will get a varies Tier while wielding Divine Keys, while themselves will be 3-B and/or 1-B depending on which characters?
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no no divine keys alone will have varies so SoE profile will have
Varies depending on the User, up to 1-B with Zeroth Power
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What is the size of the Elysia Realm?
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In one of @Weaver261 threads (probably 1-A one) it was said to be a Cyber space and not Imaginary space which puts the 1-B scaling for kalpas and base elysia/kevin into question
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whassup peepos! I had a hypothetical question if nobody minds
Say they introduce Kiana into HSR and they retcon it that she's weaker than the Aeons, as opposed to the current scaling where it's Kiana >>> Aeons
How would that change things up?
Say they introduce Kiana into HSR and they retcon it that she's weaker than the Aeons, as opposed to the current scaling where it's Kiana >>> Aeons
How would that change things up?
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According to what bro
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This would be illogical because it would mean that she would no longer have the authority of finality and would no longer be a herrscher and therefore that the herrscher would no longer exist.
Hsharpe
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If this ever did happen, I always picture it like this:
Kiana puts limiters on her power (basically severely handicapping herself) as a way to prevent the Honkai energy she naturally has in her from poisoning others around her. Or it could be a similar case as with Welt.
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No your explanation is the right one, as Kiana is on the moon to absorb the honkai present on earth and there are people on the moon she weakens finally rather than weakening she leaves the honkai in her and as the honkai is a corruption of the imaginary energy well it can be bad but in any case, as the cocoon sees all the honkaiverse except the imaginary tree and the sea of Quanta as a simulation, it would be more accurate to say that the kiana present on the moon is a simulation of the real Kiana (the end is only a speculation when I say that kiana is a simulation but I still say in the games and manga Honkai Impact 3rd), for Welt he no longer has access to the totality of the authority of reason.
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It's weird that Welt technically had the core according to his own lightcone description given by Bronya, I rlly can't think of other things other than like it's just not within CoF's reach so it doesn't work or something like that since this one's actually vague as hell
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This argument is quite fallacious in the sense that it is not because we do not feel the presence of the cocoon that it has no authority. Then the core of Welt's reason is in some way asleep because I recall that Bronya before being the herrscher of truth was the herrscher of reason then he still has the star of eden. And I do not understand the link with the explanation of the Cone of light?
EINAKUROMU
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Whether Welt have the core or not is still unknown(according to the final chapter of Alien Space, Welt do have Herrscher core tho he seem to went back to Earth after that from my view, I am not sure about hsr)
Iirc, according to his own lightcone(In the name of the world) the core was given by Welt Joyce
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The problem is that I don't know how would it really make sense in the slightest, like if it wasn't for that then for what reason it's been dormant for like almost 3 years or so
So it wasn't from Bronya then after she became the Herrscher of Truth? That's new, I thought Bronya didn't need it anymore so she gave it to him
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We will learn it later, we must not forget that the two games are not finished and then we will have VA in the next update (or even in 3.8)
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A quick question like that. For those who don't agree with 1-B (a totally ridiculous scale because there is evidence that scales higher), what scale do you put hoyoverse on?
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below goku
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no but seriously
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