Honkai Impact 3rd

[Weaver261]

Otto didn't use all his power in their first fight, in the second fight was when he empowered himself to fight them and Kiana already mentioned that she will try using the Herrscher of the Void power so she is clearly using it continuously as Otto reverted back into his normal form while fighting against them, which was obviously an product of the Imaginary Renormalization.

Kiana used void power to fight Otto but it wasn't Imaginary renormalization since it was only used at the last moment. This was stated by Otto multiple times. Here. Here and Here. Also there wasn't a single statement of Kiana using Imaginary renormalization before that. You will need explicit call out to claim that. You can't just say just becuz they beat Otto and Otto reverting back to original form. They beat Otto in his infinite mode(as he himself claimed), they should get the same tier as Otto. Also I am not talking about first part of the fight but rather second part. Otto already losing before Kiana use Imaginary renormalization.

 

[Yanina92]

Kiana used void power to fight Otto but it wasn't Imaginary renormalization since it was only used at the last moment. This was stated by Otto multiple times. Here. Here and Here. Also there wasn't a single statement of Kiana using Imaginary renormalization before that. You will need explicit call out to claim that. You can't just say just becuz they beat Otto and Otto reverting back to original form. They beat Otto in his infinite mode(as he himself claimed), they should get the same tier as Otto. Also I am not talking about first part of the fight but rather second part. Otto already losing before Kiana use Imaginary renormalization.

Even so, she still affected his power as Otto mentioned that they were relying in the Herrscher of the Void he was clearly very specific in mentioning the Void Power renormalizating his power but was confident that it can't renormalize the Imaginary Space. Again Otto power output as an individual is not the same as the infinite power of his Imaginary Space which makes him immortal, he can command nearly infinite honkai energy but he can't unleash all the infinite power as an individual this is very explicit that Kiana nor Durandal received an attack with infinite honkai energy.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Raiden Mei Vs Raiden B Mei (Acheron) (Honkai: Star Rail Vs Honkai Impact 3rd) [1-7-0]

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[BlackLight]

Even so, she still affected his power as Otto mentioned that they were relying in the Herrscher of the Void he was clearly very specific in mentioning the Void Power renormalizating his power but was confident that it can't renormalize the Imaginary Space. Again Otto power output as an individual is not the same as the infinite power of his Imaginary Space which makes him immortal, he can command nearly infinite honkai energy but he can't unleash all the infinite power as an individual this is very explicit that Kiana nor Durandal received an attack with infinite honkai energy.

The output of False god Otto should in no instance be less than the output of the first or second Herrscherr.

 

[Yanina92]

The output of False god Otto should in no instance be less than the output of the first or second Herrscherr.

Well but they're not 1-B physically though, unless I missed smh and Nagamitsu was very explicit on Otto being capable of using limited power as individual

 

[BlackLight]

Well but they're not 1-B physically though, unless I missed smh and Nagamitsu was very explicit on Otto being capable of using limited power as individual

You mean the AP/DC?

 

[Yanina92]

You mean the AP/DC?

yeah

 

[BlackLight]

yeah

To be honest, I think it's a very unclear issue. Perhaps Star Rail will present clarity on this in the long run.

But the thing is that in HI3rd, there seems to be no clear view on it.

Smash emits the energy of a supernova, even if we say it only refers to two kg of plasma at the temperature of a supernova for one second, the result does not go below Moon lvl. Still the best feat is.... Continental?.

Maybe there are other mentions like Welt generating 1.3 solar masses. Or compressing the space of the alien key, But on the other hand a nuclear bomb did more damage to sirin than him, plus he uses much of his power to destroy an asteroid (alien Space).

Yet there is a mention that he could create a micro cosmos with planets, stars etc.

Again, it's all very unclear around that.

 

[Weaver261]

Even so, she still affected his power as Otto mentioned that they were relying in the Herrscher of the Void he was clearly very specific in mentioning the Void Power renormalizating his power but was confident that it can't renormalize the Imaginary Space. Again Otto power output as an individual is not the same as the infinite power of his Imaginary Space which makes him immortal, he can command nearly infinite honkai energy but he can't unleash all the infinite power as an individual this is very explicit that Kiana nor Durandal received an attack with infinite honkai energy.

Otto might be talking about what they gonna do to him since it's the outcome he is expecting. This is really vague. There's no mention of kiana using renormalization in the battle before the end. And Otto stated multiple times that Renormalization was used only at the last moment. Since the person himself stated it, it's reliable. So, kiana and bianka are still beating him even in his false god form. They just can't give decisive blow since he will just regenerate with infinite honkai energy (ik he can't use infinite but his supply was unlimited). In fighting with herrschers, the most important factor is to reduce their honkai energy reserve. In PE, they used Selene to reduce final herrscher's honkai reserves. It's similar to that. So, I don't really on board with H1-C flamescion form downgrade.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

To be honest, I think it's a very unclear issue. Perhaps Star Rail will present clarity on this in the long run.

But the thing is that in HI3rd, there seems to be no clear view on it.

Smash emits the energy of a supernova, even if we say it only refers to two kg of plasma at the temperature of a supernova for one second, the result does not go below Moon lvl. Still the best feat is.... Continental?.

Maybe there are other mentions like Welt generating 1.3 solar masses. Or compressing the space of the alien key, But on the other hand a nuclear bomb did more damage to sirin than him, plus he uses much of his power to destroy an asteroid (alien Space).

Yet there is a mention that he could create a micro cosmos with planets, stars etc.

Again, it's all very unclear around that.

those statement to feats “issue” is obvioisly because you would not like to have earth blown up like every god damn time, which is why they have feats of destroying dimensional realms instead (Ryusukes space, Theather, Ottos space, bubbles etc)
while hsr is literally happening in the entire imaginary tree so cosmic feats are more open to be actually showcased
hell we alr have ely making starry skied realm
via blowing up planet
kiana cutting planet in half in time runner skin and part 1.5 kiana smiping Sa in hopes to not engulf entire slar system in the destructive force of bullet of finality so…yea its a plot thing

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Otto might be talking about what they gonna do to him since it's the outcome he is expecting. This is really vague. There's no mention of kiana using renormalization in the battle before the end. And Otto stated multiple times that Renormalization was used only at the last moment. Since the person himself stated it, it's reliable. So, kiana and bianka are still beating him even in his false god form. They just can't give decisive blow since he will just regenerate with infinite honkai energy (ik he can't use infinite but his supply was unlimited). In fighting with herrschers, the most important factor is to reduce their honkai energy reserve. In PE, they used Selene to reduce final herrscher's honkai reserves. It's similar to that. So, I don't really on board with H1-C flamescion form downgrade.

You didn't response to her argument really.

this is very explicit that Kiana nor Durandal received an attack with infinite honkai energy.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

even with that 1-B for endgame trio seems fitting rather than hofs kiana since Kevin alr surpassed PE Finality whos Equal to false god otto, and it goes well within what hsr x hi3 crossover is cooking (not the mid bubble event with sparkle)

 

[Weaver261]

this is very explicit that Kiana nor Durandal received an attack with infinite honkai energy.

Otto already became the slave of Imaginary tree in False God form where he can get the same amount honkai energy as PE Final Herrscher. Kiana and Durandal were able to beat Otto who was graced in imaginary tree authority. I don't think being hit with infinite honkai energy or not doesn't really matter since it's 1-B not H 1-B or Low 1-A situation.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Otto already became the slave of Imaginary tree in False God form where he can get the same amount honkai energy as PE Final Herrscher. Kiana and Durandal were able to beat Otto who was graced in imaginary tree authority. I don't think being hit with infinite honkai energy or not doesn't really matter since it's 1-B not H 1-B or Low 1-A situation.

The difference between the energy used for 2-C and baseline Low 1-C [5-D] is literally infinitely uncountable.

Tier 1: Higher Infinity​

Characters whose degree of power extends to cosmological constructs beyond those above. This varies from higher-dimensional constructs infinitely exceeding those of 4 dimensions, to characters who transcend the conventional notion of numerical dimensions, both countably and uncountably infinite, up to characters who wholly surpass quantitative differences in size.

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are one uncountably infinite level<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>note 2<span>]</span></a> above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^5 (5-dimensional real coordinate space).

Equivalently, this tier can be reached by affecting/creating/destroying/embodying an uncountably infinite number of universes (More specifically, as many universes as there are real numbers).

1-C: Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are two to five uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^6 to R^9 (6 to 9-dimensional real coordinate space).

High 1-C: High Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are six to seven uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^10 to R^11 (10 to 11-dimensional real coordinate space).

You literally cannot be finite when you are Low 1-C and above.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

kinda crazy when they had to renormalize bro to even turn him finite lmao…

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

kinda crazy when they had to renormalize bro to even turn him finite lmao…

Kinda crazy that we are talking about his finite output...

Low Capital behaviour. Shush.

 

[Weaver261]

You literally cannot be finite when you are Low 1-C and above.

Isn't imaginary tree already 1-B though? Otto doesn't need to unleash infinite energy since he is already the slave of Imaginary Tree just like Final Herrscher. He is already capable of affecting the tree. He was just enslaved by the tree.

???: Right… before you broke me into pieces, I appeared close to godhood, but I was no more than a slave to the Imaginary Tree.

???: I was tied closely to the base world. I had the power to reshape it, but had no freedom.

Durandal: You’re saying that… to reshape the world five centuries ago, you needed to transcend reality and become a part of the Imaginary Tree…

Otto False God Form was already a part of Imaginary Tree. So, he should be 1-B too. Kiana and Durandal who beat Otto will get 1-B too.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

not even talking abt them but otto…and this tiering system shit talks about dimensions lol, LOADS of vs matches had arguments that you can have finite low 1C (any dimensional tier) and infinite one or is that vsbw standards are that bad that people dont even know what is and what is not

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Isn't imaginary tree already 1-B though? Otto doesn't need to unleash infinite energy since he is already the slave of Imaginary Tree just like Final Herrscher. He is already capable of affecting the tree. He was just enslaved by the tree.


Otto False God Form was already a part of Imaginary Tree. So, he should be 1-B too. Kiana and Durandal who beat Otto will get 1-B too.

Isn't this only scale to hax tho? Not physical?

 

[Weaver261]

Isn't this only scale to hax tho? Not physical?

Idk but imo, all Hi3 casts should have 1-B with hax only and not physically. Except characters like Sa, Su and CoF.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Idk but imo, all Hi3 casts should have 1-B with hax only and not physically. Except characters like Sa, Su and CoF.

Ya, this is what I mean.

Make the CRT.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Idk but imo, all Hi3 casts should have 1-B with hax only and not physically. Except characters like Sa, Su and CoF.

theres a whole ******* Ues page on honkai for physicals, and literally holding inf energy in yourself should be enough for
physical scaling, only issue is otto didnt release all that cuz of IT, but the fact he got negged as soon as he got turned from infinite to finite being speaks for itself lol
without ues Only CoF and Otto would be 1-B in physicals outside aeons

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

be Kiana
get trapped in Herrscher of Domination's pocket dimension, the Theater of Domination
Theater is described with keywords like "boundless space" and "leads to infinity"
strings in the theater flip the entire realm, causing Kiana to fall
powerscaler: "NO REALITY WARPING, JUST PURE PHYSICALS. THE STRINGS LIFTED A HIGHER DIMENSIONAL INFINITE REALM."
THEREFORE, KIANA HAS IMMEASURABLE LIFTING STRENGTH FOR RESISTING IT FOR A SECOND

This is a new level of weaponized autism. Are people this desperate for feats?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is a new level of weaponized autism. Are people this desperate for feats?

yes and she ******* overpowered it within moments after going hofs, so yea its a cool feat lol

 

[Weaver261]

theres a whole ******* Ues page on honkai for physicals, and literally holding inf energy in yourself should be enough for
physical scaling, only issue is otto didnt release all that cuz of IT, but the fact he got negged as soon as he got turned from infinite to finite being speaks for itself lol
without ues Only CoF and Otto would be 1-B in physicals outside aeons

Otto's 1-B is easy to argue since he had the power to reshape the world 500 years ago on the imaginary tree and did it (visual feat btw not statement) which is something only Aeons can do by statements.

They call them, "Aeons" in this cosmos. They construct reality, erase stars, and leave their marks on countless worlds.

Chain scaling is such a bs imo

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Chain scaling is such a bs imo

change how powerscaling on wiki works then mate

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

yes and she ******* overpowered it within moments after going hofs, so yea its a cool feat lol

be me
enjoying peak fiction story moment where protagonist overcomes her inner demons, accepts her past, and unlocks a new form symbolizing hope and rebirth to defeat a metaphysical foe
powerscalers: "ACKSHUALLY, this is an Outerversal+ feat of Immeasurable physicals that proves she can beat Goku."
Every single time. I hate it here.

 

[Weaver261]

be me
enjoying peak fiction story moment where protagonist overcomes her inner demons, accepts her past, and unlocks a new form symbolizing hope and rebirth to defeat a metaphysical foe
powerscalers: "ACKSHUALLY, this is an Outerversal+ feat of Immeasurable physicals that proves she can beat Goku."
Every single time. I hate it here.

When you let the internet's opinions get in the way of your enjoyment of entertainment xD

change how powerscaling on wiki works then mate

Determine 1-B with whether they can affect imaginary tree or not and everything will be resolved.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

yes and she ******* overpowered it within moments after going hofs, so yea its a cool feat lol

This is what zero contact with grass does to a human brain.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Determine 1-B with whether they can affect imaginary tree or not and everything will be resolved.

vrotein literally had the power from same structure what are we on and like…not even that much characters scale to 1-B in honkai rly, literally everyone whos 1-B is in the same box where FG Otto is or above, (Finality cast trio and kevin) vro…

This is what zero contact with grass does to a human brain.

i have a well paid job and i go outside so i dont have this problem. anyway jobs calling see ya on break or tonight idk

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

i have a well paid job and i go outside so i dont have this problem. anyway jobs calling see ya on break or tonight idk

Lies, proof or gay.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Lies, proof or gay.

ill just tell you the place, Sava Hotels Terme 3000 the rest im keeping for privacy reasons

 

[Weaver261]

i have a well paid job

Full time powerscaler

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

ill just tell you the place, Sava Hotels Terme 3000 the rest im keeping for privacy reasons

"Slovenia"

kek
lmao, even

 

[PedjaTarzan]

"Slovenia"

kek
lmao, even

i know… (im not slovenian tho so im safe)

 

[Yanina92]

even with that 1-B for endgame trio seems fitting rather than hofs kiana since Kevin alr surpassed PE Finality whos Equal to false god otto, and it goes well within what hsr x hi3 crossover is cooking (not the mid bubble event with sparkle)

Was PE Finality equal to him?

Bcs I found an old message there that says that wasn't true, so I'm unsure I need to check the statement again but even with then Cocoon Kiana would still scale to Emanators so the 1-B for very peak remains for sure.

 

[Yanina92]

Ya, this is what I mean.

Make the CRT.

Yeah that is very necessary for sure

 

[Voidnether]

This is a new level of weaponized autism. Are people this desperate for feats?

Weaponized autism would be powerscaling slop like world of darkness with whatever jargons they had then some verses using IT as the example

 

[PedjaTarzan]

the aura debt i fell in after genuenly mispelling the words in crt lowkey insane

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Idk but imo, all Hi3 casts should have 1-B with hax only and not physically. Except characters like Sa, Su and CoF.

If the high 1-C is still present im fine with it since 1-B is reserved only for pinnacle of the verse, otherwise you have to tackle UES page of honkai energy.