Hitting Ghosts/Souls = Soul Manipulation?

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Our profiles do not seem to agree if hitting ghosts or souls should be Soul Manipulation or just "Can hit non-corporeal beings". For example, our Touhou profiles describe it as Soul Manip.

While our Terraria, Kirby and LoZ profiles do not.

Another problem that is related to this: Can we assume that someone who can destroy lone souls/ghosts can directly attack the soul of someone that's still in their body? And thus, can people who survive like this get Soul Manip Resistance?

I feel that both of these subjects have no consensus and end up being debated in VS Threads, so I'd appreciate if we could get some semblance of consensus on this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Terraria actually does consider it soul manip, as does bloodborne

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

On Terrarian's profile, it just states "Can hit souls". While he does have Soul Resist, it comes from something else mainly anyway.

 

[Kaltias]

I usually assume that if you can kill a ghost, it means that if you kill someone you'd destroy the soul alongside the body.

But it isn't the one-shot kind of soul manipulation, it's simply damaging both at once.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well it depends. Usually, people who can attack the soul have their soul damage scale to their AP.

For example, 6-C Terraria takes a few hits to destroy a soul while 3-C Terrarian casually one-shots it.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Killing/Harming a ghost, should be considered "can harm intangible beings and souls", but people shouldn't get a resistance to Soul Manipulation necessarily for being able to take their hits, but maybe it could be specified that their soul durability is as powerful as their actual durability.

this reminds me that these things need to be added to like every Mario profile

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Ghosts aren't intangible. Usually they're considered Non-Corporeal, because they lack a physical body in the first place (Which is the requirement for Non-Corporeal)

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I think that just means non-material Intangibility instead of just Non-corporeality, which implies that have no form.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I don't think that we can just assume that taking hits from someone who can kill ghosts would give resistance to soul manipulation, and that killing ghosts should outright give soul manipulation, but, either way, I'd like to see what this leads to

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I can see it not automatically giving Soul Resistance, but I think killing ghosts means you can harm intangible beings and souls. Beerus, Bartz Klauser, Link (Composite), they seem to treat it this way. RPG characters that can just hurt ghosts casually are a good example. Mario characters that can hurt Boos are another good example.

 

[Nico-v11]

Depends in entirely on the verse, in Supernatural that is not the case at all

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If we agree that surviving such attacks does not give Resistance to Soul Manip, then we should agree that attacking a ghost =/= able to hit the soul of someone who's still alive, right?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Well, I don't think that's true. I think it's more along the lines of that it wasn't the intention of the story, similar to why RPG bosses don't automatically resist Death Manipulation or Transmutation, that sort of thing. I think that they should be able to hit souls inside the body if they could hit souls at all. If it's agreed that people who get hit get Soul Resistance, though, I'm fine with that.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Bump.