Oh sorry, I worded that wrongly, lemme specify
which he says that he did those by "extending" his Time Skip, so for that to make sense it would need to be Time Stop from the beginning...........which then Goku moved during in the prior times where he used it
except, that in the 0.1 and 0.2 skips he moved (explained here) and for his Pocket Dimension to work, it can't be Time Stop else there is no Time that is "Skipped" to be "Stored", if we take it as Time Stop, then Vados and Whis' explanation of how his Pocket Dimension is created makes no sense
Wym "prior times"? Goku was merely making sudden movements to match his predictions in order to keep up with Hit, he wasn't "moving" in his TS.
He’s talking about any time Goku reacted to being hit Mid-Skip. Or in instances where it’s not feasible for Goku to move in time unless he also moved Mid-Skip, unless he’s literally reacting at infinite speed (because Hit’s attacks are literally instant to everyone but himself, taking place in an unconventional simulated 0 time) when he has a very clear position in his was in prior in the Midst of Time Skip, of in this case, Time Stop. (Such as the Base form Block or the SSB Punch Kick).
I just think that was just the animators being lazy. Remember that the technical quality of the episodes before the ToP was horrible, so this kind of of animation inconsistency is to be expected.
that doesn't matter for the fact we saw on screen, Goku was in one position, Hit's Time Skip sound effect kicked in, Goku is in a completely different position the moment Hit hit's him, all while Time Skip was activated when Goku was in a specific position
This could be totally true, but it’s still a problem nonetheless. Especially since nothing about Anime Timeskip, except the basic idea of stopping time for .1 seconds (which is contradicted by Manga Hit saying he’s “going into the future”) and slowing opponents with an application of it on a single person (Time Cage/Lag) matches Manga Time Skip at all. It’s a totally unique thing with no reference point, so we don’t know what to keep or cut.
His stance was functionally identical, changed only by angle/lack of curve from the perspective we’re seeing him from.
No he didn't, he predicted where hit would timeskip to and how he would attack and adjusted his body accordingly, this is literally the running point of the fight and why he wanted to withstand his 0.2sec strikes to adjust its ALSO why hit went from only landing one hit after each TS ended to dozens during TS and stopping once it ended. You're the only one still trying to claim he moved
Not this again? He moves the time he skips from the normal world to create the pocket dimension, which causes the flow of time to stop on the real world during that time, it's literally where the unconventional time stop comes from
It's just Goku predicting what hit would do and then readjusting after 0.1sec, it seems instant from the outside perspective, these people are MFTL+++ in speed, Hit does not attack on 0 time, even if he attacks after the TS, until he started attacking inside the timeskip, we are directly shown when Goku reacted mid time skip, and it was after he went KKx10
Which is where consistency comes in, we see him freeze Goku in time at sskkx10, we see him against the mob boss and time is stopped for everyone else, we have secondary material stating that toke is frozen, in the ToP, he was again stated to stop time, it's just that he doesn't do it directly, he transfers the time to his pocket dimension and the result is identical to a time stop on those affected, ergo vados correcting thr notion that he skips it not just stops it. The scene of Goku reacting to 0.5sec TS, yet the very same scene showing that he was actually frozen after, is an animation inconsistency
his arm and legs are in a different position tho, altho that won't matter for the proposal i thought of
except in that scene that can't be the case as the Time Skip activates as he is in a very different position
you are suggesting that it is Time Stop, so time wouldn't be being "Skipped" in the first place to be stored, if the time flow is still in the real world, then he couldn't have stored anything as it would still be where he left it
except both are comparable in speed, so it seeming instant for Hit would mean that Goku is blitzing Hit, which wouldn't make sense given they are comparable, also we hear the Time Skip being activated while Goku is still on that position, so that doesn't work to begin with
and in the scene i just described in base, and in the 0.5 seconds beatdown
Good thing you agree with my proposal then, that solves things, the secondary material about him stopping time would still be contradicted tho
is it really a reach when it is what it is said it does?
I was talking about under the context of it being a Time Stop the whole time, not a Time Skip. If it’s straight Time Stop the whole time, based on what we hear from the outside view and how TS just works, it’d be totally instant—Basically simulated infinite speed (as Hit would be crossing distance in literal 0 time). Then Goku would need said level of speed to react to this the way he does after TS activation rather than BEFORE.
I mean the conclusion being Causality Manipulation rather than just a really specific variation of Time Manipulation. I don’t think there’s a real way to get to Causality Manip, despite the validity of your points.
that is why i put a Variation of Time Manip as an option as well
Hit never attacked while time was skipped until he hit 0.5 which is why analytical prediction worked in the first place, he'd go to a pre determined area, and attack, Goku moved just before he activated TS and adjusted for 0.1s and then attacked where he knew he'd end up
That can actually work to be fair, as Hit is technically applying the effects of what he'd do in the next 0.1 seconds in the present.
Wait, which chapter? I must've overlooked it.
It’s a small thing, (and probably means nothing), but it’s Chapter 13, in the midst of SSJ Goku V Hit.
Ah, lmao.
If Goku is reacting to Hit by going into the future, wouldn't that be immeasurable speed? Because it's actually happening, isn't it?
He's literally just predicting what would Hit do in said timeframe, thus moving in advance according to what would Hit do in said timeframe. There's no Immeasurable speed going on here.
Definitely not. Goku was only predicting, here, and and even when Goku goes through TS, it’s because of the PL limit of Manga Hit’s hax.
If we can't put a name to the initial timeskip, then leave it as unconventional time stop based on the 0.5 and beyond, thr job boss fight anf time cage just being timeskip continuously applied, we now for a fact that there is time stop for those affected
no we don't, as if it only stops time, then the explanation for the pocket dimension makes no sense, and the times where factually moved in it before the Kaioken also contradict this + the manga saying that he goes to the future with Time Skip instead of stopping time, going with Time Stop is as contradictory as not going with Time Stop.....thus my option here:
would solve most of our problems, explain 1 of the moments where he moves, fit perfectly with the Pocket Dimension explanation and explain why everything seems frozen even tho it is said that it doesn't stop Time
I mean, basically this, we know his time skip has the effect of freezing time anyway, if the other parts of his ability can't be defined by our standards as we have them now, table that for later
How can Goku resist something that's not aimed at him though? If someone removes the time, is he adding it back? I don't really understand how it works here.
To be fair, he’s also stated he’s stopping Time, just like in the Anime. As well, obviously, do Jaco and the Galactic King. Inconsistencies galore, here
Exactly
This is the best solution
it is being aimed at him, his time/moments would have been taken away, he simply would be able to resist Causality Manip or Time Manip depending on what people want to rate my explanation as
