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High-Universal Black Clover

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Panache_x said:
Saying something that is very large in reference to expectations and perception is impossible isn't wrong

Anyways why this isn't gonna work is cause of that tiny bit of possiblity
That tiny part that made u say "I really don't think"
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Mate... This is objective argument. Alone he said, “no borders, it is endless” just proved it is infinite. Why he would say no borders despite it being finite?
 
Dread said:
Mate... This is objective argument. Alone he said, “no borders, it is endless” just proved it is infinite. Why he would say no borders despite it being finite?
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Well the "no borders" can help out but that can still be subjected to the reach he could scope
 
Panache_x said:
Ummm
I'm unaware of this statement
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Ofc you are unaware and yet you were trying to make fun of me. Large expanse .. I see wait no borders? Huh? Large expanse
and no borders? wait again, its damn endless???? nah mate, its definitely meant to be infinite.
 
Character A: Oh damn, this… Does it have NO BORDERS?? WAIT A MINUTE, It's ENDLESS.
Character B: Yes, such a thing can be possible.
 
Dread said:
Ofc you are unaware and yet you were trying to make fun of me. Large expanse .. I see wait no borders? Huh? Large expanse
and no borders? wait again, its damn endless???? nah mate, its definitely meant to be infinite.
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If these were conjunctively used I really don't have a problem with it being infinite
The world literally follows her imagination and she could imagine a water infinitely reproducing
Nothing illogical about it being Infinite
But then again...the Anti BC squad are still gonna stick to their interpretation
But somehow the peeps that were Objecting it's not infinite in size were willing to accept if it's only used as a Creation feat
 
Panache_x said:
If these were conjunctively used I really don't have a problem with it being infinite
The world literally follows her imagination and she could imagine a water infinitely reproducing
Nothing illogical about it being Infinite
But then again...the Anti BC squad are still gonna stick to their interpretation
But somehow the peeps that were Objecting it's not infinite in size were willing to accept if it's only used as a Creation feat
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But somehow the peeps that were Objecting it's not infinite in size were willing to accept if it's only used as a Creation feat

Sigh
 
Alright, about his sensory, he once sensed the entire structure before. It’s when they went to the border of the diamond kingdom and fought against the diamond dudes in the dungeon. The limits that were mentioned there, were probably due to how limited his sensory was at the time.


@BlackAstaSenpai here is one more piece of evidence of his sensory.
 
Dread said:
Alright, about his sensory, he once sensed the entire structure before. It’s when they went to the border of the diamond kingdom and fought against the diamond dudes in the dungeon. The limits that were mentioned there, were probably due to how limited his sensory was at the time.


@BlackAstaSenpai here is one more piece of evidence of his sensory.
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Yeah this is a weaker Luck. And it would make it harder for him to sense because of the dense mana layered in the dungeon that also the space is distorted.
 

Conclusion:​

Again, it is actually proven that the structure of Glamour World is infinite in size because Luck could sense it far away.
Why would you claim to a world “endless” if the “no borders” statement is enough? He actually sensed that far.
Him sensing the dream world and saying it’s infinite is just a feat/evidence of his sensory being that good.
You would need evidence to support his sensory not being good or even accurate for one.
The no borders aren’t even a contradiction, since that could just be evidence for it being infinite.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Alr it’s obvious that you guys are stonewalling now, and are more interested in upgrades than logical discussion.

The reasoning is fallacious because hax CAN apply to AP but in this instance it doesn’t, because all Yami does is sever space. That’s literally it. Just cutting space. There is no energy yield for it, it’s just hax based. His non-hax attacks surpass it due to actual destructive value, unlike how Dimension Slash’s potency is its hax
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Dimension Slash is hax that bypasses durability via cutting space. Cutting Space would be essentially scaling to 3-A or High 3-A hax for what characters could be affected. There would need to be limits set for abilities that bypass durability. Space is 3D. And the Wiki considers 3D hax useless to characters who are higher dimension or who have 4D powers. So someone like Goku shouldn't be effected by Dimension Slash if hit, because he has Univeral+ (4D) durability.

Let me use a 3-B character for example. Omega Shenron (Dragon Ball GT) is considered Universal, not High-Universal though. But if Shenron was hit by Dimension Slash, he'd be sliced in two. But Yami using Dimension Slash to damage Shenron doesn't scale to him because that's his hax. But if it's proven that his Attack Potency (Death Thrust) is stronger than his hax (Dimension Slash). Then you'd have to also agree that Death Thrust would damage Shenron. Thus also making Yami's AP higher than 3-B. And as I've shown, his Attack potency scales above his hax. Shenron (durability) < Dimension Slash < Death Thrust.
 
Damage3245 said:
What about when it comes to characters struggling to destroy something of a smaller scale?

After all, it is hard to say that the characters are supposed to be Universal in AP if they're exerting themselves and they're struggling to destroy something much less durable than a Universe, right?
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That’s completely different from what’s being discussed here so I don’t know what relevance this has to Glamour World
 
Dread said:
That was an irrelevant comment tbh, there is no rule that you need to be infinitely stronger to sense infinity
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His best feats are barely sensing miles away
So while it may be outside his scope it just mean that in his perspective its a big place
No grounds or reasoning for him to have either infinite sensing or the place being infinite
 
Romeu08 said:
His best feats are barely sensing miles away
So while it may be outside his scope it just mean that in his perspective its a big place
No grounds or reasoning for him to have either infinite sensing or the place being infinite
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As we've already discussed. Even if Luck only meant a "big place", it doesn't matter. Magna assumed he meant the "infinite" definition of endless. And Reve affirmed that aspect of it.
 
Anyway i think i have a passive ability of killing threads by my mere presence so... bump (redundant don't you think)
 
Dread said:
Alright I have nothing to say, but I don't think an adult being can't sense what is infinity. But if you think it is important to know that, alright
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You can't sense infinity completely, you can only make conclusions from your perspective. Like now I look up at the sky, I don't see an end to it, hence I make a statement saying it's endless... Does it mean that the sky is indeed infinite tho? No. But from my view it is. Which is what happened with luck
 
BlackAstaSenpai said:
As we've already discussed. Even if Luck only meant a "big place", it doesn't matter. Magna assumed he meant the "infinite" definition of
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Another false speculation from you... Magna did not assume the infinite definition. He just disagreed with luck's notion of the place Seemingly having no end ("it's impossible"). And reves says the impossible is possible here.
 
Romeu08 said:
His best feats are barely sensing miles away
So while it may be outside his scope it just mean that in his perspective its a big place
No grounds or reasoning for him to have either infinite sensing or the place being infinite
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You sound reasonable
 
JOLTxx said:
You can't sense infinity completely, you can only make conclusions from your perspective. Like now I look up at the sky, I don't see an end to it, hence I make a statement saying it's endless... Does it mean that the sky is indeed infinite tho? No. But from my view it is. Which is what happened with luck
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No, you don't say randomly endless to sky, no human does that. That's bad example, + he said “no borders”, and then it is “endless”, that's his feat. He could sense that far.
 
Dread said:
Ya imagine yourself looking at sky and say suddenly, "oh the sky has no borders, wait a minute," ITS ENDLESS”, dude? That is the feat of him assuming how infinite it is
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It's sounds like : You know I'm something of a scientist my self

 
JOLTxx said:
Another false speculation from you... Magna did not assume the infinite definition. He just disagreed with luck's notion of the place Seemingly having no end ("it's impossible"). And reves says the impossible is possible here.
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You've provided literally ZERO justification for this interpretation.

It makes no sense in the context of the situation for Magna to call something "Seemingly endless" Impossible. They've already seen "Seemingly endless" spells. Both Julius and Patry covered the entire country in a spell, that would've looked "Seemingly endless" For anyone looking up at it from the ground.

So when Luck calls it endless, Magna calling that impossible makes no sense unless if he assumed that Luck used the infinite definition of endless. Because he already saw two weaker mages create "Seemingly endless" spells.
 
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