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It has become clear due to the discussion in the Bill vs Khorne Thread and My disscussion with various community members on discord that there is some major disagreements on what does and does not qualify for High Godly Regen, and What distinguishes it from just really good mid godly.
Here is the current definition: The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside the reality that you are present within that exists up to your own dimensional level.
Seems pretty simple right? This is the definition I was most familiar with, and I took it to mean that if you erase a reality over someone, and they regenerate from it, that his High Godly. Apparently not according to some of the staff members.
Kaltias and Monarch (and tin can boi) both take it to mean that you must completely erase somebody up to that dimensional level. If this is actually true, then the definition of High Godly should be changed, because that is not what the definition says.
Essentially, the current definition implies breadth is what determines High Godly regen. basically, if you erase them and a structure at least equivolent to their dimensional level if not higher, and they regenerate then they have High Godly. But to contrast, they claim that there must be no other structures on that level. They have their definition of High Godly regen set by totality instead of breadth.
If this is true, then it carries many issues.
Pachi raises his own interpritation. He claims that it is where they regenerate in that is important, not from what. Here is his comment:
"I trap character A (who is tier... 7) in a pocket dimension (preferably universe sized).
I'm Low 2-C, therefore, collapsing the thing is easy. I make the dimension disappear.
Scenario 1: character A reappears in main universe: mid-godly.
Scenario 2: character A reappears in the void left by the pocket dimension and then travels to the main universe: high godly."
Essentially, he has based it on location, not level. Unless they come back into a void, it will be Mid Godly at best.
Kalitas raised the following Metaphor, but it still carries isssues. For one, it does not match the above definition. You will see the other issues following. Here is her comment:
"Draw a stickmam on a paper. Stuff that requires Mid-Godly is the equivalent of completely deleting it using a rubber.
Conceptual/nonexistence etc are just a rubber that erases more thoroughly.
Regenerating means that another drawing forms on the paper after deleting it.
Now set on fire the paper and wait until nothing is left. Regenerating from that is what requires High-Godly.
Clearly the drawing can't be reformed on paper in this case, that's the reason why it's a higher level of regen"
It seemed fine at first, but then I raised the following:
"If you burn the piece of paper that has the stickman on it until it is all gone and then it comes back on another piece of paper, that is high godly.
Is that correct?"
Kaltias said it would be mid Godly, raising the case of the case of Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche. The other issue is that it still basically comes down the where they are regenerating not what they are regenerating from. Pachi also has the following:
"If the stickman was erased along the paper and the dude came to another paper from where it was erased, its high godly.
We are talking about 3D beings with high godly regen here.
High godly regen on 3D scale is only regenerating after absolute 3D destruction, which is the same as a Low 2-C bust."
This seems more along the lines of the original definition with the a bit of variation.
Anyway, long story short, if the current definition is incorrect or lacking, then it should be fixed. But I am quickly going to raise a critisism of the idea that High Godly should be based off of where they regenerate into, or that it should ignore the level of attack.
The first thing I shall raise is The Basanos. Yes, I know they True Godly regen, but I am using an extreme example to prove my point. If the level of the erasure does not matter, then by that idea, they should have mid godly since they are just regenerating into a lower level. Also, I looked up the context for the scan, and no, they are not in the void.
I also originally brought up Frisk in here, with them regenerating in the void but still being only Mid-Godly, but there is some split on interpritation there as well.
Here is the current definition: The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside the reality that you are present within that exists up to your own dimensional level.
Seems pretty simple right? This is the definition I was most familiar with, and I took it to mean that if you erase a reality over someone, and they regenerate from it, that his High Godly. Apparently not according to some of the staff members.
Kaltias and Monarch (and tin can boi) both take it to mean that you must completely erase somebody up to that dimensional level. If this is actually true, then the definition of High Godly should be changed, because that is not what the definition says.
Essentially, the current definition implies breadth is what determines High Godly regen. basically, if you erase them and a structure at least equivolent to their dimensional level if not higher, and they regenerate then they have High Godly. But to contrast, they claim that there must be no other structures on that level. They have their definition of High Godly regen set by totality instead of breadth.
If this is true, then it carries many issues.
Pachi raises his own interpritation. He claims that it is where they regenerate in that is important, not from what. Here is his comment:
"I trap character A (who is tier... 7) in a pocket dimension (preferably universe sized).
I'm Low 2-C, therefore, collapsing the thing is easy. I make the dimension disappear.
Scenario 1: character A reappears in main universe: mid-godly.
Scenario 2: character A reappears in the void left by the pocket dimension and then travels to the main universe: high godly."
Essentially, he has based it on location, not level. Unless they come back into a void, it will be Mid Godly at best.
Kalitas raised the following Metaphor, but it still carries isssues. For one, it does not match the above definition. You will see the other issues following. Here is her comment:
"Draw a stickmam on a paper. Stuff that requires Mid-Godly is the equivalent of completely deleting it using a rubber.
Conceptual/nonexistence etc are just a rubber that erases more thoroughly.
Regenerating means that another drawing forms on the paper after deleting it.
Now set on fire the paper and wait until nothing is left. Regenerating from that is what requires High-Godly.
Clearly the drawing can't be reformed on paper in this case, that's the reason why it's a higher level of regen"
It seemed fine at first, but then I raised the following:
"If you burn the piece of paper that has the stickman on it until it is all gone and then it comes back on another piece of paper, that is high godly.
Is that correct?"
Kaltias said it would be mid Godly, raising the case of the case of Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche. The other issue is that it still basically comes down the where they are regenerating not what they are regenerating from. Pachi also has the following:
"If the stickman was erased along the paper and the dude came to another paper from where it was erased, its high godly.
We are talking about 3D beings with high godly regen here.
High godly regen on 3D scale is only regenerating after absolute 3D destruction, which is the same as a Low 2-C bust."
This seems more along the lines of the original definition with the a bit of variation.
Anyway, long story short, if the current definition is incorrect or lacking, then it should be fixed. But I am quickly going to raise a critisism of the idea that High Godly should be based off of where they regenerate into, or that it should ignore the level of attack.
The first thing I shall raise is The Basanos. Yes, I know they True Godly regen, but I am using an extreme example to prove my point. If the level of the erasure does not matter, then by that idea, they should have mid godly since they are just regenerating into a lower level. Also, I looked up the context for the scan, and no, they are not in the void.
I also originally brought up Frisk in here, with them regenerating in the void but still being only Mid-Godly, but there is some split on interpritation there as well.
