7-C and Massively Hypersonic Ejen Ali

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Ejen Ali calc (Gravity Bullet edition)

vsbattles.fandom.com

The verse's characters would scale to 7-C and Massively Hypersonic:

• Alicia shot a bullet at the explosion before it hit Ali, and multiple characters can react to said bullets
• Alicia's bullet went into the explosion before it created a forcefield around it, meaning it would have withstood the explosion

 

[Greatsage13th]

Agreed

 

[Sir_Ovens]

This is fine.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Agreed

This is fine.

I've made the changes. This can be closed now

 

[Greatsage13th]

You forgotten about high hypersonic+ speed.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

You forgotten about high hypersonic+ speed.

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Fixed. This can be closed now

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so.

 

[Antvasima]

@Sir_Ovens

It seems like we accepted directly scaling to a High Hypersonic+ explosion despite that this is against our fundamental calculation standards for character speed feats.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000003492178#4400000000012689854

 

[Greatsage13th]

@Sir_Ovens

It seems like we accepted directly scaling to a High Hypersonic+ explosion despite that this is against our fundamental calculation standards for character speed feats.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000003492178#4400000000012689854

How exactly? It's as clear as day and night which one was faster overall.

 

[Antvasima]

Because, the comparative distance moved in order to, for example, dodge or block an attack matters a lot. Otherwise we could just make rough estimates for character speed levels based on projectile or vehicle speeds, for example, which is not what we are supposed to do, and is definitely not acceptable. As such, you need a proper calculation blog for this speed feat.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Because, the comparative distance moved in order to, for example, dodge or block an attack matters a lot. Otherwise we could just make rough estimates for character speed levels based on projectile or vehicle speeds, for example, which is not what we are supposed to do, and is definitely not acceptable. As such, you need a proper calculation blog for this speed feat.

I will say the feat of the HHS+ calc doesn't happen in the exact same scene as Ali and Alicia reacting to or outspeeding the explosion. It happened after Alicia outsped the explosion, contained it and sent it away. So idk whether using the HHS+ calc to find Ali's and Alicia's speeds would be calc stacking or not

 

[Antvasima]

I will say the feat of the HHS+ calc doesn't happen in the exact same scene as Ali and Alicia reacting to or outspeeding the explosion. It happened after Alicia outsped the explosion, contained it and sent it away. So idk whether using the HHS+ calc to find Ali's and Alicia's speeds would be calc stacking or not

@Mr._Bambu @Therefir @Jasonsith @Executor_N0 @Migue79

Would any of you be willing to help out with properly calculating this feat please?

 

[Therefir]

Well, if they outspeed the explosion, and the same explosion was shown to be HH+, I think it should fine to scale them above the explosion speed.

If it was only reactions, the explosion would just have to happen really close from them, and in that case it would only count for their reactions, not necessarily their combat speed.

 

[Antvasima]

Did they run away from the explosion? If so, I suppose that what you said makes sense as a lowball, but I would still prefer an accepted calculation.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Did they run away from the explosion?

Nope. Ali just used to his hands to block it after the bomb exploded, while Alicia shot a pellet at the explosion before it could reach Ali, despite being much further away from it than it was from Ali. Neither ran away from the boom

 

[Therefir]

In that case, how close was Ali from the explosion?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

In that case, how close was Ali from the explosion?

This close

 

[Therefir]

Okay, considering this is the same explosion that expanded at HH+ speeds, a calc should be fine about it without having to be calc stacking.

 

[Jasonsith]

Will street to wall level physically (falling from some heights) + MCB level with optimal equipment plus subsonic combat speed suffice.

Ejen Ali calc (Gravity Bullet edition)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Errata: Distance from Alicia Ali hand (assume 1.5 m) plus gravity bomb radius (8 m, given) = 9.5 m
Errata 2: I will provide a new calculation in a few hours.

 

[Greatsage13th]

MCB?

 

[Therefir]

Will street to wall level physically (falling from some heights) + MCB level with optimal equipment plus subsonic combat speed suffice.

Ejen Ali calc (Gravity Bullet edition)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Errata: Distance from Alicia Ali hand (assume 1.5 m) plus gravity bomb radius (8 m, given) = 9.5 m
Errata 2: I will provide a new calculation in a few hours.

Yeah using 1 pixel to scale the explosion is definitely high-balling it, I would prefer a different way for it to be measured.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Distance between bomb and bridge surface = 50 m (given)

Distance from Alic hand (assume 1.5 m) plus gravity bomb radius (8 m, given) = 9.5 m

Projectile covering distance = 50 m - 9.5 m = 40.5 m

Time for Alicia to shoot the gravity bullet to the mother bomb = 0.548 s (start) (end)

Projectile speed of Alicia's gravity bullet = 40.5 / 0.548 = 73.9051 m/s (Subsonic)

Pretty sure the explosion was later shown moving in slow-mo compared to the bullet, so wouldn't that affect the timeframe of the bullet reaching the explosion when it's shown moving towards it?

 

[Therefir]

Pretty sure the explosion was later shown moving in slow-mo compared to the bullet, so wouldn't that affect the timeframe of the bullet reaching the explosion when it's shown moving towards it?

Can't we just compare the explosion speed to the bullet using that scene?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah using 1 pixel to scale the explosion is definitely high-balling it, I would prefer a different way for it to be measured.

Why? It visibly went so far away that it is no longer within line of sight.

 

[Therefir]

Why? It visibly went so far away that it is no longer within line of sight.

It could be way more than just a pixel depending on the quality and size of the video you used, using 1 pixel it's just a bad idea to scale something, so I will be waiting for Jasonsith's proposal.

 

[Greatsage13th]

It could be way more than just a pixel depending on the quality of the video you used.

It was 1080p

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

It could be way more than just a pixel depending on the quality and size of the video you used, using 1 pixel it's just a bad idea to scale something, so I will be waiting for Jasonsith's proposal.

It was 1080p. And if you zoom in and squint really hard, you can still see the tiny ball, but barely

 

[Therefir]

I downloaded the video, went to the very last frame before the explosion, and at no point did the ball shrink to 1 pixel, it didn't even disappear:


That's at least 6 pixels for the ball

 

[Greatsage13th]

I downloaded the video, went to the very last frame before the explosion, and at no point did the ball shrink to 1 pixel, it didn't even disappear:


That's at least 6 pixels for the ball

Welp. I'll go adjust everything.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I finished adjusting the blog and added 2 additional calcs for gravity bullet.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I finished adjusting the blog and added 2 additional calcs for gravity bullet.

I don't think you updated the velocity of the explosion. It still uses the old size of 2725.82142857 metres, not the new size of 908.607142856125 m

 

[Greatsage13th]

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I don't think you updated the velocity of the explosion. It still uses the old size of 2725.82142857 metres, not the new size of 908.607142856125 m

changed it

 

[Greatsage13th]

but could someone give their opinion on the very first calc on the page about the speed of the bullet calced through mass-momentum?

 

[Jasonsith]

Will street to wall level physically (falling from some heights) + MCB level with optimal equipment plus subsonic combat speed suffice.

Ejen Ali calc (Gravity Bullet edition)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Errata: Distance from Alicia Ali hand (assume 1.5 m) plus gravity bomb radius (8 m, given) = 9.5 m
Errata 2: I will provide a new calculation in a few hours.

Done revision

Ejen Ali calc (Gravity Bullet edition)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Yeah using 1 pixel to scale the explosion is definitely high-balling it, I would prefer a different way for it to be measured.

So is the new updated calc fine or is @Jasonsith's version better?

 

[Therefir]

Since the explosion does not even scratch the bridge ceiling, the explosion radius must be at most the distance covered when Alicia redirected the explosion.

If what @Jasonsith says here is correct, I will go with his method.

 

[Greatsage13th]

If what @Jasonsith says here is correct, I will go with his method.

The only reason why the explosion did not scratch the ceiling of the bridge is because it was over 56 meters away from the bridge which was called with angsizing.

radius of the explosion = 908.607142856125 m

Distance of the gravity field from our pov: 3.82571428571*1080/6*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 964.36583348065 meters

What about using both ends on the profile instead?

 

[Therefir]

The pov was taken within the bridge, although it doubt the bridge is 56 meters wide, so I guess the explosion was far enough from the bridge to not affect it.

Aside from that, I have no problems with using your calc.

 

[Greatsage13th]

The pov was taken within the bridge, although it doubt the bridge is 56 meters wide, so I guess the explosion was far enough from the bridge to not affect it.

Aside from that, I have no problems with using your calc.

Then I guess we'll use both ends then. At least 8-B, Likely 7-C.

Also, do you happen to know that one blog that converts a person's time to react to reaction speed?