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High 7-A+ Superman

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So on Superman's profile, it says that he is at least a High 7-A because, quote:
"Even after being heavily weakened by the effects of the terraforming, he was able to one-shot the World Engine, which was capable of obliterating a mountain."

So Superman, while heavily weakened, one-shot a being with a power of 1.79 gigatons. Both the heavily weakened part and the one-shotting each mean that Man of Steel Superman >>>> 1.79 gigatons. Dividing 2.65/1.79 is about 1.48, but considering that Superman >>> weakened Superman >>> 1.79 gigaton World Engine, I'd say that a 1.5 times multiplier isn't too much of a stretch.

Thoughts?
 
Steppenwolf should be stronger than that and Superman was much stronger after being resurrected with the Mother Boxes to the point he could curbstomp Steppenwolf with utter ease.
 
Vizer04 said:
Steppenwolf should be stronger than that and Superman was much stronger after being resurrected with the Mother Boxes to the point he could curbstomp Steppenwolf with utter ease.
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Which means Superman definitely upscales to 2.65 gigatons. Hell, a (weak) case could be made for him upscaling to baseline Island. Which I would really like since it would put him on par with top-tier MCU characters.
 
Vizer04 said:
Superman tanked a direct hit from Steppenwolf's Axe. Hell, he didn't tanked it, he straight up no sold it.
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And? You do realize that's what an "At Least" is used for in a Profile right?

If Steppenwolf were At Least High 7-A (Scaling above the 1.79 Gigaton Feat), and higher with his Axe

Superman (Post Mother Box Resurrection) could be High 7-A+

If Steppenwolf were High 7-A+ (Upscaling from the 1.79 Gigaton Feat), and higher with his Axe

Superman (Post Mother Box Resurrection) would only be At Least High 7-A+
 
Well the 6-C thing is admittedly a big stretch, but IMO Superman should probably upscale to High 7-A+
 
Vizer04 said:
You can't be serious, you can't be...
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You're saying "he did this, so he should probably upscale to this value almost 1.5x the value he scales above".

I've seen scaling chains of 10 characters not upscale.

You saying it's good enough to upscale is baseless. This isn't good enough for a value that much higher.

Unless the value is closer, then no.
 
KingTempest said:
You're saying "he did this, so he should probably upscale to this value almost 1.5x the value he scales above".

I've seen scaling chains of 10 characters not upscale.

You saying it's good enough to upscale is baseless. This isn't good enough for a value that much higher.

Unless the value is closer, then no.
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What about just upscaling to 2.65 gigatons? Pre-resurrection Superman >> weakened Superman, who one-shot (not matched, one-shot) a being with a power of 1.79 gigatons.
 
Eseseso said:
What about just upscaling to 2.65 gigatons? Pre-resurrection Superman >> weakened Superman, who one-shot (not matched, one-shot) a being with a power of 1.79 gigatons.
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2.65 gigatons / 1.79 gigatons = 1.4804469274.

A one shot does not warrant a 1.48x upscale.

I understand if it was 1.2 or 1.15, even 1.25.

1.48 is way too large for a single one shot to upscale. This is how we do it.
 
KingTempest said:
2.65 gigatons / 1.79 gigatons = 1.4804469274.

A one shot does not warrant a 1.48x upscale.

I understand if it was 1.2 or 1.15, even 1.25.

1.48 is way too large for a single one shot to upscale. This is how we do it.
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To be fair, he was heavily weakened from the World Engine's terraforming when he one-shot the thing.
 
Eseseso said:
To be fair, he was heavily weakened from the World Engine's terraforming when he one-shot the thing.
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I understand.

If this was my own wiki I'd accept it. It's a one shot and he was weakened.

Via our own standards he'd be unquantifiably above 1.79 GT, and fortunately we allow upscaling for small gaps.

1.48x is not a small gap.
 
KingTempest said:
I understand.

If this was my own wiki I'd accept it. It's a one shot and he was weakened.

Via our own standards he'd be unquantifiably above 1.79 GT, and fortunately we allow upscaling for small gaps.

1.48x is not a small gap.
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What about just for Post-Resurrection Superman? IIRC he's much stronger than pre-resurrection Supes?
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
And? You do realize that's what an "At Least" is used for in a Profile right?

If Steppenwolf were At Least High 7-A (Scaling above the 1.79 Gigaton Feat), and higher with his Axe

Superman (Post Mother Box Resurrection) could be High 7-A+

If Steppenwolf were High 7-A+ (Upscaling from the 1.79 Gigaton Feat), and higher with his Axe

Superman (Post Mother Box Resurrection) would only be At Least High 7-A+
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Do you realize that using an axe multiplies your AP at the very least tens of times? An AP gap of 4.3 times is nothing compared to that.
 
Vizer04 said:
He didn't, but he could.
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If he could he would have done so. He went into Steppenwolf hard and in the SnyderCut he sliced off one of his horns. He obviously was trying to put him down but could not do so with one hit.

He's superior to Steppenwolf by a good degree, but he cannot one shot him.
Vizer04 said:
The AP difference is too massive to be ignored.
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Its not. Superman vs Steppenwolf was not Saitama vs Orochi, where the latter was one tapped with no effort.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If he could he would have done so. He went into Steppenwolf hard and in the SnyderCut he sliced off one of his horns. He obviously was trying to put him down but could not do so with one hit.

He's superior to Steppenwolf by a good degree, but he cannot one shot him.

Its not. Superman vs Steppenwolf was not Saitama vs Orochi, where the latter was one tapped with no effort.
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True. Steppenwolf may have been stomped in both versions, but in both versions he still took a huge beating and got up.
 
I've done my own fair share of upscaling threads, and I was told the same thing, anything gap above 1.2x or even 1.25x is too high for upscaling. You'd have to bring a chain that shows massive upscaling, like actually one-shotting your opponent. Steppenwolf was bullied in both movies, but none of Supes attacks put him down for the count.
 
So is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

Also, thank you to everybody who helped out.
 
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