Why isn't Superman (DCEU) 6-C?

[Vizer04]

I mean, he's so close to baseline and he's massively above another High 7-A (Steppenwolf) to the point that he can tank a direct hit from his axe with no damage at all.

In my opinion, that's worthy of a 6-C rating.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Uh, you can't upscale from High 7-A to 6-C without an established multiplier. At best, it's just High 7-A+

 

[Vizer04]

Uh, you can't upscale from High 7-A to 6-C without an established multiplier. At best, it's just High 7-A+

I don't think that's how it works...

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It is tho? Plus DCEU's High 7-A is only barely above baseline. That makes upscaling even iffier.

 

[Vizer04]

It is tho? Plus DCEU's High 7-A is only barely above baseline. That makes upscaling even iffier.

Think of it this way: If someone hits you with an axe and you survive that would make you 9-B, right?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And? Why would that be the same case here? Why would it allow superman to jump 2 tiers?

 

[Vizer04]

And? Why would that be the same case here? Why would it allow superman to jump 2 tiers?

What do you mean 2 tiers?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You can't upscale from High 7-A to 6-C without an established multiplier. You can only upscale from High 7-A to High 7-A+ if the AP value is near enough to the next tier. And considering DCEU's High 7-A value is barely above baseline, it makes any sort of upscaling iffy to begin with

 

[Qawsedf234]

The gap between the High 7-A feat and 6-C is 2.5x. The issue being is that Superman doesn't show real one shot potential against anyone that scales that high. Steppenwolf took multiple hits and got up, Diana wasn't one tapped, and Aquaman/Cyborg recovered from his attacks fast-ish.

His durability in the Snydercut is really the only thing that could get you to 6-C because of how the concentrated force of an axe might work.

 

[Theglassman12]

If there’s a scaling chain that exists for superman then he could be 6-C, but the fact that he doesn’t going off the profile and the fact he’s barely above baseline makes him being flat out 6-C iffy.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Uh, you can't upscale from High 7-A to 6-C without an established multiplier. At best, it's just High 7-A+

You can, but the value need to be extremely close to the baseline of the next Tier.

 

[ByAsura]

In real life, this logic would work (maybe). We don't really do this kind of thing because it's unreliable in fiction.

For reference, we had a big song and dance about making Tatsumaki Small Planet level (we compromised on 'likely Small Planet level') just for dealing significantly more damage to a character that scales above someone who's less than 1.31x lower than baseline Small Planet level. I think you even participated.

 

[Vizer04]

If there’s a scaling chain that exists for superman then he could be 6-C, but the fact that he doesn’t going off the profile and the fact he’s barely above baseline makes him being flat out 6-C iffy.

There is:

World Engine (1.79 gigatons) << Superman (Pre-Resurrection) < Doomsday ≤ Steppenwolf <<< Steppenwolf with Axe < Superman (Post-Resurrection)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You can, but the value need to be extremely close to the baseline of the next Tier.

That's what I'm saying. DCEU's High 7-A isn't that close to 6-C in order for it to upscale. I'd be fine with High 7-A+, but 6-C is stretching it imo

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think it depends on how people see it. I could easily get JoJo characters to upscale from 8-C+ (1.85 tons) to High 8-C (2 tons) because it had a scaling chain.

 

[Vizer04]

World Engine (1.79 gigatons) < Superman (Pre-Resurrection)

And the World Engine was actively weakening Superman by terraforming Earth into a planet similar to Krypton.

 

[Vizer04]

In real life, this logic would work (maybe). We don't really do this kind of thing because it's unreliable in fiction.

For reference, we had a big song and dance about making Tatsumaki Small Planet level (we compromised on 'likely Small Planet level') just for dealing significantly more damage to a character that scales above someone who's less than 1.31x lower than baseline Small Planet level. I think you even participated.

I mean, this is literally him tanking piercing damage (as far as i know, piercing damage is way stronger than normal AP)

 

[CloverDragon03]

Upscaling is only done in cases of being very close to the next tier. This wouldn't fall under such a case.

 

[ByAsura]

I mean, this is literally him tanking piercing damage (as far as i know, piercing damage is way stronger than normal AP)

Not really (it's partially verse dependent and the opposite way 'round). Even if it was, it's still too vague.

 

[Vizer04]

So, what you're saying is that this feat is worthless?

 

[ByAsura]

No. If it was worthless, he wouldn't get a 'possibly far higher'.

 

[Vizer04]

For reference, we had a big song and dance about making Tatsumaki Small Planet level (we compromised on 'likely Small Planet level') just for dealing significantly more damage to a character that scales above someone who's less than 1.31x lower than baseline Small Planet level. I think you even participated.

Yes, i was there. But that's not even remotely close to the same thing here. Tatsumaki was argued to be Small Planet level for being an unquantifible ammount stronger than Orochi. Here, Superman should be easily tens of times stronger than Steppenwolf.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yes, i was there. But that's not even remotely close to the same thing here. Tatsumaki was argued to be Small Planet level for being an unquantifible ammount stronger than Orochi. Here, Superman should be easily tens of times stronger than Steppenwolf.

Tatsumaki is massively stronger than someone who's massively stronger than Orochi. Superman ain't tens of times stronger than Steppenwolf, given how Steppenwolf can survive his attacks. And again, the gap between DCEU's High 7-A is not near enough to 6-C at all, you can upscale if you're near enough to the next tier.

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, i was there. But that's not even remotely close to the same thing here. Tatsumaki was argued to be Small Planet level for being an unquantifible ammount stronger than Orochi. Here, Superman should be easily tens of times stronger than Steppenwolf.

It's the same thing. If anything, Tatsumaki had a much better performance against someone far stronger than the person they're scaling above.

Superman just tanked attacks from someone a little stronger than his former self.

Also, the gap was much smaller.

 

[Vizer04]

Superman ain't tens of times stronger than Steppenwolf, given how Steppenwolf can survive his attacks.

Superman wasn't trying to kill Steppenwolf. If he truly wanted him dead, he would have aimed to his brain instead of his horn.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Superman wasn't trying to kill Steppenwolf. If he truly wanted him dead, he would have aimed to his brain instead of his horn.

Why would he be holding back?

 

[ByAsura]

And yet, you see him lasering his chest and punching him right in the face.

 

[Vizer04]

Does anyone know how to calculate piercing damage? I'm not the... most knowledgeable person in math.

 

[ByAsura]

It was pressure x area, but we got rid of it because multiplying by the surface area of someone's full body was found to be an unreliable method.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also wouldn't this be calc stacking?

 

[Vizer04]

Also wouldn't this be calc stacking?

How?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You're planning to calc Superman tanking the axe using the High 7-A value? Isn't that textbook calc stacking

 

[KingTempest]

Sorry, you gotta be High 7-A+ to upscale to 6-C. Most this would qualify as is “At least High 7-A+”.

 

[chosen]

There is:

World Engine (1.79 gigatons) << Superman (Pre-Resurrection) < Doomsday ≤ Steppenwolf <<< Steppenwolf with Axe < Superman (Post-Resurrection)

Pretty steppen wolf above doomsnday unless it is different in Canon

 

[Hellbeast]

Pretty steppen wolf above doomsnday unless it is different in Canon

Both Steppenwolf are above Doomsday

 

[Vizer04]

Sorry, you gotta be High 7-A+ to upscale to 6-C. Most this would qualify as is “At least High 7-A+”.

Steppenwolf is High 7-A+

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Steppenwolf is High 7-A on his profile. He doesn't have a plus

 

[Vizer04]

Steppenwolf is High 7-A on his profile. He doesn't have a plus

Well, he should have. He scales massively above the 1.79 feat.

 

[KingTempest]

Wouldn't matter.

Still makes him baseline High 7-A+, which isn't good enough for 6-C

 

[Vizer04]

Wouldn't matter.

Still makes him baseline High 7-A+, which isn't good enough for 6-C

That's not a rule.