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This is the most likely one.or maybe rela+ downgrades for ftl characters would have to happen
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This is the most likely one.or maybe rela+ downgrades for ftl characters would have to happen
yeah but the platinum sperm calc in particular uses a very precise canon timeframe, so it would also have to mean that garou was high 3-A back then (and sperm) but still surprised about saitama being "tougher than a mountain"This is the most likely one.
I mean, if you downgrade other FTL characters, you'd be saying that Flashy's feat of creating a constellation alongside PS and Garou is an outlier, and that there's no credibility to the lightspeed statement he has as well.The biggest threat to this crt is the fact that other sol+ characters having anti feats could also by extension ruin the chances of ftl saitama being high 3-A, but also Saitama is ridiculously above everyone (minus garou) in speed so maybe there's some kind of way he could be an exception
or maybe rela+ downgrades for ftl characters would have to happen
I'm literally going to ask people from the OPM discussion thread to check it out and advertise it a bit more.Watch this thread be flooded when I return.
Just like the tougher than a mountain statement, and the subsonic timer earlier in the series, it would be deemed an outlier.yeah but the platinum sperm calc in particular uses a very precise canon timeframe, so it would also have to mean that garou was high 3-A back then (and sperm) but still surprised about saitama being "tougher than a mountain"
but the most fatal and unfortunate point is that with high 3-A sperm, if you divide his power by trillions then a single black sperm cell is still high 3-A, which makes basically the entire verse scale to high 3-A
yikes
maybe, but also it might get to the point where we make literally everything except for high 3-A saitama the outlier, which would be essentially impossible to gain support forJust like the tougher than a mountain statement, and the subsonic timer earlier in the series, it would be deemed an outlier.
All we need to deem an outlier is that one FTL calc though.maybe, but also it might get to the point where we make literally everything except for high 3-A saitama the outlier, which would be essentially impossible to gain support for
that being said, still neutral
No you can move SOL if you have infinite energy. But you are physically incapable of going faster than light. It's literally impossible to go faster than light so it's unquantifiable to AP.You misunderstand. The Theory of Relativity is 100% confirmed canon to the OPM verse.
Edit: Just re-read your post and it seems I misunderstood. In the Theory of Relativity, mass increases with speed, so when you reach Sol, your mass becomes infinite. This means if you could unleash an infinite amount of energy you could move FTL.
No not because of that. There is a whole mathematical proof of why you cannot supass light speed and only approach it. Physics literally breaks if you try to, it's just not applicable.It's only impossible because it requires infinite energy, no?
well the only thing mentioned is the theory of relativity, real life physics outisde of the theory directly confirmed to exist in-universe isn't quite valid hereNo you can move SOL if you have infinite energy. But you are physically incapable of going faster than light. It's literally impossible to go faster than light so it's unquantifiable to AP.
No not because of that. There is a whole mathematical proof of why you cannot supass light speed and only approach it. Physics literally breaks if you try to, it's just not applicable.
The argument is using real life physics to get high 3-A, but physics doesn't work in this case at all.
You can't cherry pick one or the other they are all tied together. SOL physics is very relevant to this. And this tier for saitama is contradicted anyway because of the exponential graph.well the only thing mentioned is the theory of relativity, real life physics outisde of the theory directly confirmed to exist in-universe isn't quite valid here
We've already explained that the graph doesn't actually disprove anything.You can't cherry pick one or the other they are all tied together. SOL physics is very relevant to this. And this tier for saitama is contradicted anyway because of the exponential graph.
I don't see the distinction you're making.No not because of that. There is a whole mathematical proof of why you cannot supass light speed and only approach it. Physics literally breaks if you try to, it's just not applicable.
the graph isn't evidence, it's just an unquantifiable multiplier, and you can multiply infinite values stillYou can't cherry pick one or the other they are all tied together. SOL physics is very relevant to this. And this tier for saitama is contradicted anyway because of the exponential graph.
You still can't, which is why dealing with FF and PS is gonna be a headache.the graph isn't evidence, it's just an unquantifiable multiplier, and you can multiply infinite values still
actually I can cherry pick, just because the theory of relativity exists in OPM doesn't mean we also assume that uncle Jim's theory of blah blah also does. We just use what's shown in universe, as we always do
If it's stated by WOG or by a somewhat reliable source in the universe it counts.I don't know, man. What is the standard for FTL + canonized Theory of Relativity in verses? If someone could clarify this it would be great
Not to my knowledge because A the theory of relativity isn't stated to exist there to my knowledge, and it seems that the Sol in DC is a lot faster than normal light.Off the top of my head, the Infinite Mass punch follows and is described using Einstein's Special Relativity, so would every FTL DC character from that era become High 3-A? There's probably more examples from many other verses.
it still doesn't contradict the graphThis wildly contradicts many things, most notably the fact that characters reaching light speed or beyond that is already a thing in OPM. Even if we ignore calcs, there are numerous statements of character's reaching near, at, or beyond the speed of light. It also contradicts the graph. And CF Garou would thus need to be High 3-A, which really leads to a mess of its own. It's overall extremely contradictory, but that is on top of the fact that it is, nonetheless, also based on a theory in background cut-off unimportant dialogue Genos made in a comedy scene meant just to portray how Genos fanboys over Saitama. Putting those two things together, I'd rate this a "Ayo no shot bruh".
Nope. There's one or two unnacepted Sol Flashy statements. That's all.Even if we ignore calcs, there are numerous statements of character's reaching near, at, or beyond the speed of light.
The graph doesn't prove or disprove anything.It also contradicts the graph.
It doesn't matter if it's just Genos balbbering... The fact that the Theory of Relativity exists in the first place is all that's needed for the premise of this CRT.it is, nonetheless, also based on a theory in background cut-off unimportant dialogue Genos made in a comedy scene meant just to portray how Genos fanboys over Saitama. Putting those two things together, I'd rate this a "Ayo no shot bruh".
I don't see the problem. Not like Mode Saitama Cosmic Fear Mode Garou scales to anyone else.And CF Garou would thus need to be High 3-A, which really leads to a mess of its own.
Well blast would also be high 3-A but that’s fine, cause he’s fighting god anyways + he doesn’t scale to anythingNope. There's one or two unnacepted Sol Flashy statements. That's all.
The graph doesn't prove or disprove anything.
It doesn't matter if it's just Genos balbbering... The fact that the Theory of Relativity exists in the first place is all that's needed for the premise of this CRT.
I don't see the problem. Not like Mode Saitama Cosmic Fear Mode Garou scales to anyone else.
There is a sub-light speed statement regarding Geryuganshoop's attacks. Boros has a statement from Murata about kicking Saitama at near-light speeds. Pretty sure Flashy Flash has 2 Sol statements and 1 FTL statement.Nope. There's one or two unnacepted Sol Flashy statements. That's all.
The graph doesn't prove or disprove anything.
It doesn't matter if it's just Genos balbbering... The fact that the Theory of Relativity exists in the first place is all that's needed for the premise of this CRT.
I don't see the problem. Not like Mode Saitama Cosmic Fear Mode Garou scales to anyone else.
actually none of these matter as long as the flashy sol isn’t accepted and the other things are just relativistic not ftl, so they’re completely irrelevant hereThere is a sub-light speed statement regarding Geryuganshoop's attacks. Boros has a statement from Murata about kicking Saitama at near-light speeds. Pretty sure Flashy Flash has 2 Sol statements and 1 FTL statement.
I can tell that argument would turn into a problem of its own so I'll just ignore it.
It does because the narrative of the story matters, and the purpose of that scene is comedy. My point isn't that Genos is making a theory and that he wouldn't "know" something. My point is that you're using a random, one-off, unimportant line from a comedy scene to claim something huge, which is otherwise heavily contradicted and equally unsupported, the bigger the claim, the more evidence you need to support it.
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter if Genos is just babbling off science jargon. He still brings up the Theory of Relativity. Unless he made it all up (which would be a pretty big assumption), that means that theory and its implications exist in OPM.It does because the narrative of the story matters, and the purpose of that scene is comedy. My point isn't that Genos is making a theory and that he wouldn't "know" something. My point is that you're using a random, one-off, unimportant line from a comedy scene to claim something huge, which is otherwise heavily contradicted and equally unsupported, the bigger the claim, the more evidence you need to support it.
Thing is, the Flashy Flash statements don't need to be accepted for the point to remain, because my point isn't about Flashy Flash himself, but more so how the speed of light is treated in OPM. And the latter thing, likewise, was not my point.w
actually none of these matter as long as the flashy sol isn’t accepted and the other things are just relativistic not ftl, so they’re completely irrelevant here
I would like to point out, keyword, theory.It doesn't matter if it's just Genos balbbering... The fact that the Theory of Relativity exists in the first place is all that's needed for the premise of this CRT.
I pointed out this issue as well, which is why I also said earlier that best case scenario would be a possibly rating, since a theory is a possibility onlyI would like to point out, keyword, theory.
It might be a theory in verse, but that's all it is, and while that could have merit, it's a theory that is demonstrably proven false. in context.
There's also the possibility that the Theory of Relativity (as an idea made by mankind) exists but is just wrong within OPM, and, as its name implies, it is just that, a theory. Which would fit more properly when placed together with what we've actually seen up to this point. We can't say that Genos mentioning it means that the theory of relativity actually exists and applies to living beings like we can say it almost definitely does in our reality. This would actually still arguably fit better due to the contradictory evidence.What I'm saying is it doesn't matter if Genos is just babbling off science jargon. He still brings up the Theory of Relativity. Unless he made it all up (which would be a pretty big assumption), that means that theory and its implications exist in OPM.
High 3-A is finite, 2-A is finite, High 1-B is finite, High 1-A is finite, every single tier that's not Zero is finite on the grand scheme of things, a being with true Infinite power will be an Omnipotent that cannot be beating by anythingExcept the issue is Saitama's power was never Infinite in the first place
He simply has Infinite growth for potential
So you can't stack infinity on infinity here cause the base infinity is nonexistent......as Saitama's power is finite
You’ve exposed yourself in so many ways with this one single postHigh 3-A is finite, 2-A is finite, High 1-B is finite, High 1-A is finite, every single tier that's not Zero is finite on the grand scheme of things, a being with true Infinite power will be an Omnipotent that cannot be beating by anything
A being that’s omnipotent would be both finite and infinite and neither of those things at the same time. Omnipotence by definition is something that makes no sense whatsoever.High 3-A is finite, 2-A is finite, High 1-B is finite, High 1-A is finite, every single tier that's not Zero is finite on the grand scheme of things, a being with true Infinite power will be an Omnipotent that cannot be beating by anything
You know it's a theory irl as well, right?I would like to point out, keyword, theory.
It might be a theory in verse, but that's all it is, and while that could have merit, it's a theory that is demonstrably proven false. in context.
Yes. Hence the name, "theory" of relativity.You know it's a theory irl as well, right?
Although, I would like to ask you for some of the demonstrations of it being false, other than platinum sperm scaling being wrongYes. Hence the name, "theory" of relativity.
The difference is, irl there's loads of corroborating evidence, and in OPM, it's flat out demonstrably false.
Maybe you need to realize that no one care about the TS outside of this wiki and your average mangaka will still think destroying a billion universe is just big ass finite number more powerful than destroying a galaxy not two layers of infinityYou’ve exposed yourself in so many ways with this one single post
I’d suggest studying up on the tiering system
Flashy scalingAlthough, I would like to ask you for some of the demonstrations of it being false, other than platinum sperm scaling being wrong
It's not though. We have one FTL outlier feat.Yes. Hence the name, "theory" of relativity.
The difference is, irl there's loads of corroborating evidence, and in OPM, it's flat out demonstrably false.
You mean the Flashy who only scales to Rela+Flashy scaling