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One layer in an outerversal hierarchy is equivalent to a single reality-fiction difference between them. Meaning, he should have to transcend an infinite number of them to even be 1-A+, as far as I am aware.
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Help needed with The Dark Tower revisions
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People really shouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon for the first series of scaling they see.
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By the standards currently being used, most everything in Tier 0 doesn't deserve the position. Arguing for whether Gan deserves said position or otherwise trying to determine that, would require a whole thread all its own.Antvasima said:
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Not really. It's mostly focused on the CK at the moment. But honestly speaking, I don't particularly care anymore.Antvasima said:
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Uhm, Gan is still tier 0, wasn't he supposed to be downgraded ?
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I've discussed off-and-on with a few members on Tier 0, Tier 1, and its definitions, and it appears that amongst those knowlegable on the upper tiering system post-revision, there is some disagreement on how accurate/adequate the definitions in place are.
At this point, I'll likely be just making the revision soon and hoping that more tiering system changes aren't discussed/brought up to re-revise the revisions, if that makes sense
At this point, I'll likely be just making the revision soon and hoping that more tiering system changes aren't discussed/brought up to re-revise the revisions, if that makes sense
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Unfortunately, I am located in America, where we have already seen some devastating economic impact, and I can only foresee further destruction to it in the immediate future due to the lack of adequate response.
It's good to hear that you're self-isolating though, not enough people seem to be doing that even though it would be absurdly helpful in these times.
It's good to hear that you're self-isolating though, not enough people seem to be doing that even though it would be absurdly helpful in these times.
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Well, at least your government has done far more and has much greater resources to deal with this crisis than my own. We are predicted to reach Italy levels of deaths and social chaos within less than 2-4 weeks, and have nowhere near the economy to be able to deal with it.
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I don't know what use I can be to this, but I'm currently going through a reading of the Dark Tower series, so anything I can do to help.
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For what it's worth there's an infinite hierarchy of turtles, and Maturin, the turtle at the bottom, was already established as 1-A
- Suppose there's a kind of Beam holding the Earth (or even multiple Earths) in place? And that the Beam's generator rests on the shell of a turtle? I could make that part of the book's climax. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm sure I read somewhere that in Hindu mythology there's a great turtle that bears us all on his shell, and that he serves Gan, the creative overforce. Also, I remember an anecdote where some lady sez to some famous scientist, "This evolution stuff is ridiculous. Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down."* - Song of Susannah
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If Gan genuinely completely transcends such a hierarchy of 1-A beings, he would likely be High 1-A though. However, if he only transcends one such turtle, he would at best be "At least 1-A", and that would be very generous.
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Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down.
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Even if there's was infinite turtles like in the anectode, they aren't trascendant over one another, so Gan would be just a higher level of 1-A by trascending them
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"Who holds up the turtle"?
The turtles are to lower turtles what lower turtles are to the multiverse
The turtles are to lower turtles what lower turtles are to the multiverse
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Is there any actual proof of that ?
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Read this again
Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down.
Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down.
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The turle below is just slitgly bigger, not transcendent
That very clearly is not how the Dark tower multiverse works
There only one turtle and it's Maturin, none of the times i've seen metioned the void outside the tower it was never metioned any turtle beside him so we can just call off the old woman as senile
That very clearly is not how the Dark tower multiverse works
There only one turtle and it's Maturin, none of the times i've seen metioned the void outside the tower it was never metioned any turtle beside him so we can just call off the old woman as senile
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No, because... well let me post the whole thing. Stephen king himself appears in it
August 14th, 1984 (NYC)
Just got back from a meeting with Elaine Koster from NAL and my agent, the ole Kirboo. Both of them pitched me on doing The Gunslinger as a trade-sized paperback, but I passed. Maybe someday, but I won't give that many people a chance to read something so unfinished unless/until I go back to work on the story.
Which I probably never will. Meantime, I have this other idea for a long novel about a clown that's really the worst monster in the world. Not a bad idea; clowns are scary. To me, at least. (Clowns & chickens, go figure.)
November 18th, 1984
I had a dream last night that I think breaks the creative logjam on It. Suppose there's a kind of Beam holding the Earth (or even multiple Earths) in place? And that the Beam's generator rests on the shell of a turtle? I could make that part of the book's climax. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm sure I read somewhere that in Hindu mythology there's a great turtle that bears us all on his shell, and that he serves Gan, the creative overforce. Also, I remember an anecdote where some lady sez to some famous scientist, "This evolution stuff is ridiculous. Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down."
Ha! Take that, ye rational men of science!
Anyway, I keep a blank book by my bed, and have gotten so I write down a lot of dreams and dream elements w/o even fully waking up. This morning I'd written Remember the Turtle! And this: See the TURTLE of enormous girth! On his shell he holds the earth. His thought is slow but always kind; he holds us all within his mind. Not great poetry, I grant you, but not bad for a guy who was three-quarters asleep when he wrote it!
Tabby has been on my case about drinking too much again. I suppose she's right, but... - Song of Susannah
August 14th, 1984 (NYC)
Just got back from a meeting with Elaine Koster from NAL and my agent, the ole Kirboo. Both of them pitched me on doing The Gunslinger as a trade-sized paperback, but I passed. Maybe someday, but I won't give that many people a chance to read something so unfinished unless/until I go back to work on the story.
Which I probably never will. Meantime, I have this other idea for a long novel about a clown that's really the worst monster in the world. Not a bad idea; clowns are scary. To me, at least. (Clowns & chickens, go figure.)
November 18th, 1984
I had a dream last night that I think breaks the creative logjam on It. Suppose there's a kind of Beam holding the Earth (or even multiple Earths) in place? And that the Beam's generator rests on the shell of a turtle? I could make that part of the book's climax. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm sure I read somewhere that in Hindu mythology there's a great turtle that bears us all on his shell, and that he serves Gan, the creative overforce. Also, I remember an anecdote where some lady sez to some famous scientist, "This evolution stuff is ridiculous. Everyone knows that a turtle holds up the universe." To which the scientist (wish I could remember his name, but I can't) replies, "That may be, madam, but what holds up the turtle?" Scornful laugh from the lady, who says, "Oh, you can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down."
Ha! Take that, ye rational men of science!
Anyway, I keep a blank book by my bed, and have gotten so I write down a lot of dreams and dream elements w/o even fully waking up. This morning I'd written Remember the Turtle! And this: See the TURTLE of enormous girth! On his shell he holds the earth. His thought is slow but always kind; he holds us all within his mind. Not great poetry, I grant you, but not bad for a guy who was three-quarters asleep when he wrote it!
Tabby has been on my case about drinking too much again. I suppose she's right, but... - Song of Susannah
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