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Hellboy (Franchise) Revision Thread #3 | Just how fast is the Lobster?
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No one's going to be able to see those unless we post them in imgur.
The scaling with Roger and Pope seems ok.
The scaling with Roger and Pope seems ok.
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Try what? I saw your previous post, admittedly I don't see any speed feats in those scans.
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@Dark-Carioca I was trying to provide you evidence of the Lobster scaling to the Black Flame, not trying to provide speed feats. Also, when I said "now try", I meant clicking the links to the scans.
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Figures. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to stick with the Lobster being Subsonic.
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...Meh...I suppose it can be closed now...
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Only those who scale to Roger can be Supersonic it seems
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Does this change need to be applied before this thread is closed?
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Well, I'm pretty sure I already applied this change to a majority of the characters who scale to the Black Flame who in turn also scales to Roger, so I don't really think there's anything left to do here.
On the other hand, I have made a calculation that I intend to use in my fourth CRT for the Mignolaverse, so can I get all the calc group members who participated here to evaluate it, please?
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Migue commented on the calc @JTGamer96
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The calculations seem to have been adjusted according to @Migue79 's instructions.
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Good to go now
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Yep. I think this thread can be closed now.
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It's presumably for Liz Sherman's page.
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Well yea, but I intended to cover that in my next CRT. This one was mostly for the Lobster.
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Alright, I'll follow through.
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If that's all that needs to be done, I assume this final discussion involves whether Liz scales to that attack, or just as a special move of sorts by going all out?
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It's an attack. Just trying to determine how her profile should look for the calculation.
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What's the context behind the feat? How is she able to do an attack that powerful? Is it her full power or something?
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Then "At least Small Town level, likely Town level, Continent level with special move"
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Well, I was thinking of making it more of a special move she can use being at full power.
Anyway, in the 15th issue Hectate implied the Ogdru Hem would have their time on Earth but it wouldn't last long. There's a panel or so of them being wiped out by something and another panel of their parents the Ogdru Jahad dead. Hectate tells Hellboy he has to "tell" Liz and "let her go" where he then tells Liz to "do it". After that, Liz burns the Earth and Hectate tells Hellboy that "the world he knew is gone" and that some of mankind made it into the caves.
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Then go with what I proposed or there can be a third key for her being at full power
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@Dark-Carioca How's this?
Tier: At least 8-B | At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C | At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C | 6-A
Name: Elizabeth Anne Sherman (full name), Elizabeth "Liz" Sherman, Sparky, Liz Sherman, Liz, Fire Starter
Origin: Hellboy
Gender: Female
Age: 20's to 40's
Classification: BPRD Agent, Human, Paranormal Investigator, Pyrokinetic
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Fire Manipulation, Forcefields, Flight
Attack Potency: At least City Block level (Destroyed a city block as a child) | At least Small Town level (Destroyed Katha-Hem and fought against the Black Flame who can easily destroy skyscrapers), likely Town level (Her Vril is equal to the Black Flame's Shakti) | At least Small Town level, likely Town level (Just as strong as before) | Continent level (Set the Earth on fire to wipe out the Ogdru Hem)
Speed: Supersonic travel speed (Should scale to multiple frog monsters and Roger) | Supersonic flight and travel speed (Easily kept pace with Landis Pope) | Supersonic flight and travel speed with Sub-Relativistic combat/reaction speed (Fast as before; should scale to Rasputin) | Supersonic flight and travel speed with Sub-Relativistic combat/reaction speed (Should still be as fast as before)
Lifting Strength: Average Human
Striking Strength: Unknown | Unknown | Unknown | Unknown
Durability: Human level, City Block level with Force Fields | Human level, At least Small Town level, likely Town level with Force Fields (Tanked attacks from the Black Flame) | Human level, At least Small Town level, likely Town level with Force Fields | Human level, Continent level with Force Fields
Stamina: Superhuman
Range: Standard melee range, higher with flames
Standard Equipment: None notable
Intelligence: Gifted
Weaknesses: Her pyrokinesis is linked to her mentality and she formerly had no control over it. Sherman's pyrokinesis is a vital part of her being, necessary for keeping her alive; if removed, it can be extremely damaging and even lethal to her.
Key: Early Years | Memnan Sea | Peri-Ragna Rok | Post-Ragna Rok
Tier: At least 8-B | At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C | At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C | 6-A
Name: Elizabeth Anne Sherman (full name), Elizabeth "Liz" Sherman, Sparky, Liz Sherman, Liz, Fire Starter
Origin: Hellboy
Gender: Female
Age: 20's to 40's
Classification: BPRD Agent, Human, Paranormal Investigator, Pyrokinetic
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Fire Manipulation, Forcefields, Flight
Attack Potency: At least City Block level (Destroyed a city block as a child) | At least Small Town level (Destroyed Katha-Hem and fought against the Black Flame who can easily destroy skyscrapers), likely Town level (Her Vril is equal to the Black Flame's Shakti) | At least Small Town level, likely Town level (Just as strong as before) | Continent level (Set the Earth on fire to wipe out the Ogdru Hem)
Speed: Supersonic travel speed (Should scale to multiple frog monsters and Roger) | Supersonic flight and travel speed (Easily kept pace with Landis Pope) | Supersonic flight and travel speed with Sub-Relativistic combat/reaction speed (Fast as before; should scale to Rasputin) | Supersonic flight and travel speed with Sub-Relativistic combat/reaction speed (Should still be as fast as before)
Lifting Strength: Average Human
Striking Strength: Unknown | Unknown | Unknown | Unknown
Durability: Human level, City Block level with Force Fields | Human level, At least Small Town level, likely Town level with Force Fields (Tanked attacks from the Black Flame) | Human level, At least Small Town level, likely Town level with Force Fields | Human level, Continent level with Force Fields
Stamina: Superhuman
Range: Standard melee range, higher with flames
Standard Equipment: None notable
Intelligence: Gifted
Weaknesses: Her pyrokinesis is linked to her mentality and she formerly had no control over it. Sherman's pyrokinesis is a vital part of her being, necessary for keeping her alive; if removed, it can be extremely damaging and even lethal to her.
Key: Early Years | Memnan Sea | Peri-Ragna Rok | Post-Ragna Rok
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There should be something in the AP part of the Peri-Ragna Rok key to indicate she's either as strong, stronger, or something. Don't just leave it the same without any brackets and explanations. Naturally you should also link Rasputin's page.
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It's been adjusted now.
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@Dark-Carioca Look better now?
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Is Peri-Ragna Rok a misspelling of "Pre-Ragna Rok"?
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@Dark-Carioca No. As "pre" is a suffix for "before" and "post" is "after", "peri" is a suffix for "currently". The third key for Liz Sherman is during the events of the Ragna Rok arc of The Devil You Know cycle, where Liz, Hellboy, and Abe are battling Rasputin, and the fourth key for her is after their battle and towards the ending of the Ragna Rok arc in the last issue.
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I think it'd be clearer if you changed it to "During Ragna Rok"
Also, is there an implied reason for her to be specifically faster there? It seems weird that she's suddenly much faster there, and you could make the argument she was that fast beforehand, maybe.
Also, is there an implied reason for her to be specifically faster there? It seems weird that she's suddenly much faster there, and you could make the argument she was that fast beforehand, maybe.
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Maybe.
Because her reactions and combat speed should scale to Rasputin who also fought Hellboy during her third key.
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Yeah, that doesn't answer my question and I'm not sure you read it xD
She could simply have that level of speed before this Ragna Rok arc, which would also make a lot of other characters Sub-Relativistic (if you can justify them having that speed)
It just feels weird to have a different key if all that changes is her speed but there's no explanation for her getting faster, and if there's no training or boost implied that means the Memnan Sea and Mid Ragna Rok keys in theory should be fused
She could simply have that level of speed before this Ragna Rok arc, which would also make a lot of other characters Sub-Relativistic (if you can justify them having that speed)
It just feels weird to have a different key if all that changes is her speed but there's no explanation for her getting faster, and if there's no training or boost implied that means the Memnan Sea and Mid Ragna Rok keys in theory should be fused
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