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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Udlmaster
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I think that's the subtext of the fight.
We see that Alastor has all sorts of green wounds on his form and we see Adam's wounds there too, so he's been in a lot of scraps with people of similar enough power to give him a real fight (likely some of the older Overlords) and it's likely where he's learned to fight as an Overlord and with his abilities better than Vox ever has, who often relies on other people and the other Vees.
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In terms of raw AP
Lucifer > FP Charlie > Rosie > FP Alastor > 100% Vox >= Weakened Alastor > Zestial > all other Overlords
ShionAH
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She was trying to break free and she couldn't, besides her not being able to dodge his attacks in the first place, so assuming that she's incomparably superior for no reason at all and that she just decided to let herself be pinned down because she isn't a fighter it's not really it.
Yeah, but Emily is vastly younger compared to Sera; she's probably still a child for seraphim standards, and the series has been pretty consistent with them being completely different levels. So saying a high-ranking infant should automatically be stronger than the head of the army is a pretty silly take, don't you think?
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I think he just LS restrained her. Just like Alastor restrained General of Exorcists via LS, but didn’t really overpower him.
Wouldn’t make much sense for strongest Sinner to overpower Seraphim (Emily has six wings IIRC).
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Weakened Alastor could break his spider legs via charged attack and was able to take hits, shouldn’t that imply relativity?
Eden_Warlock99
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Shok.wav's a Megalodon and that's a transformed Alastor, so it's probably even higher.
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I'll take "Got ragdolled and made to bleed in relatively few hits" for 500, Orange.
Literally after the second proper hit Alastor took he had a nosebleed.
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Again, Emily is an extremely young and inexperienced seraphim who can barely create life in the first place, and she's never shown to be capable of doing what Sera can do. Emily shouldn't scale that high just because she's an infant Seraphim, it's like saying an infant bear can kill an adult human just because it's a bear.
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Transformed Alastor literraly has the same height
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can't open it, i'm british
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I just assumed it was part of the voodoo theme since they're arround his limbs and mouth like where a doll would be attached too, the only actual injury was on his chest
Eden_Warlock99
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???
Also don't wee see him get bigger right before the fight?
But the important part is that Shok.wav is more in line with 20m length than 4m lol
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Shouldn’t this scale to Travel Speed for Alastor/Vox?
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nope still can't see it
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He can change his size at will: in S1 final battle he was same height during fight, in Dad Beat Dad he became as tall as building.
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That’s probably a you problem since I can at least.
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I'm british imgur is banned here
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I'm not sure if measuring the shark's size based on Alastor is the best plan; you can measure it based on Vox in Vox Dei where you have a cleaner shot of them compared to Vox
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I think the point was that Vox >= Alastor given this and charged attack, and the fact that Al literally punched him away once.
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I'll work on putting the shok.wave feat into a blog
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I mean, all he did was break the spider technological amplification thing he made but I'm neutral on this. Either Alastor has insane combat intelligence + is faster or Vox was just a tip stronger.
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Would you consider measuring shok's size relative to Vox based on Vox Dei? I think that's more accurate
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That's my plan, especially considering the eye size changes between shots for shok.wave
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She stated that Alastor was a soul unlike she’d ever seen before, plus his power amplifies from staff rather than directly Rosie (I’d assume she gave him the cane) so that’s a factor ig.
Mythic381
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Weird that it assumed Shock.Wav is just a normal shark, and used base Alastor for height despite him being transformed.
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I still think this is the answer btw
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Oh yeah the shark has metallic parts so it should probably be heavier than a regular one of its size @AbaddonTheDisappointment u should take that into account
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Deals seem to literally rewrite reality. When Alastor made a deal with Charlie to give her knowledge of the angel’s death, he didn’t lose that knowledge and he never had to say it out loud, reality just changed so that Charlie knew it too.
This is why Rosie didn't lose any power when her deal with Alastor broke. She rewrote reality to make him the most powerful Sinner, all without sacrificing anything on her part.
Sinners can’t just wish themselves into being the strongest, though. A deal seems to be limited by the demon’s raw power: the more power they have, the more they can change reality. They also can’t give what isn’t within their capacity to give in the first place, hence why Alastor couldn't tell Charlie how the angel died, just that it did.
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This is VS Battles Wiki, of course they are.
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doesn't work
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honestly better like that, hazbin always has an issue with proportions and sizes.
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Tbf Rosie has exact same green powers, and I don’t think a deal can grant more than the sides can provide (like you can’t just make a deal with no-name to kill Seraphims)
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The specifics of how it works aren't defined in the verse so trying to argue for its limits is pointless and headcanon. It's better to just take what's shown as the maximum of this ability.
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