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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

I still have no idea why we're still having the debate over whether Heaven and Hell are merely planets when nothing is ever said to that effect and the only argument is "uhhh, they look like Planets sooooooo" and the argument just ends there with no further thought.
 
Udlmaster said:
I still have no idea why we're still having the debate over whether Heaven and Hell are merely planets when nothing is ever said to that effect and the only argument is "uhhh, they look like Planets sooooooo" and the argument just ends there with no further thought.
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Are big are you arguing they are?
 
Udlmaster said:
I still have no idea why we're still having the debate over whether Heaven and Hell are merely planets when nothing is ever said to that effect and the only argument is "uhhh, they look like Planets sooooooo" and the argument just ends there with no further thought.
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This is Hellaverse we are talking about, no one takes stuff seriously.
 
I just realised that Vox getting stronger the higher his ratings are was foreshadowed in his very first scene in season 1.
 
Mythic381 said:
"Now that's good television" with electricity coming out around him, or at least I assume that's the scene.
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Yes that's the one.
Mythic381 said:
Actually, with this it would make a lot of sense why Charlie saying he's the strongest sinner and everyone believed it made him the strongest, what hax would that give though, accelerated development?
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I was thinking statistics amplification, but this might be better.
 
Udlmaster said:
It's just kinda subtext. She gave Alastor power, enough to be equal to Vox when he had the power of all Sinners in Hell. She would have to give that power to him from herself.
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Giving Alastor power didn't subtract any from Rosie, I think it's more that she uplifted him. Probably the same for other Overlords seeing as Alastor doesn't seem to have lost any power in empowering Husk.

Also, is Niffty getting Magic seeing as she's probably a former Overlord like Husk?
 
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Mythic381 said:
"Now that's good television" with electricity coming out around him, or at least I assume that's the scene.

Actually, with this it would make a lot of sense why Charlie saying he's the strongest sinner and everyone believed it made him the strongest, what hax would that give though, accelerated development?
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He became strongest because his popularity and approval reached 100% from even royalty, who opposed him, admitting that.

That’s Empowerment in terms of PnA and Varies rating in terms of stats.
 
Do we need CRTs for the calculations to be added I lowkey forgot

Would it be MFTL+ if Heaven is accepted as a universe??
 
Alexander said:
and we can relaible know that the 100 billion souls is not Vox making things up
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DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
It's too specific, he could have said 100 million, or just 1 billion, but he specifically chose a hundred billion, on top of that it matches up pretty well with how many humans have actually died in real life over the course of our history (that we know)
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I'd like to add that Vox had been pirating Heaven's broadcasts for some time thanks to Baxter, so it makes sense that he'd know Heaven's population.
 
Mythic381 said:
We still need to know what the distance between them.
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The best thing is to assume a distance similar to Mars and Earth as a low ball since they're both planets (Or look like it)
Unless we assume the ball Heaven has inside it's a Sun, in which case we would have to assume the distance between Proxima Centauri and the Sun.
 
Whats the current scaling chain for hazbin specifically in hell rn?

Lucifer > Rosie > FP Alastor > charlie and emily > Vox > Overlords?
 
Idk why Rosie is > Alastor, you dont have to be stronger than someone to grant them power since support abilities exist. For all we know she could just have real strong empowerment abilities lol
 
Electronic74947 said:
Whats the current scaling chain for hazbin specifically in hell rn?

Lucifer > Rosie > FP Alastor > charlie and emily > Vox > Overlords?
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Weakened Alastor is more powerful than both Emily and base Charlie, transformed Charlie is superior to FP Alastor and likely Rosie (Although we don't know enough about her to make her a profile imo). Zestial is superior to Vox; you could add 100% Vox to that as well
Lucifer > Transformed Charlie > FP Alastor > 100% Vox > Weakened Alastor > Base Charlie and Emily > Zestial > Vox > Overlords
 
Stellar_Fish said:
Weakened Alastor is more powerful than both Emily and base Charlie, transformed Charlie is superior to FP Alastor and likely Rosie (Although we don't know enough about her to make her a profile imo). Zestial is superior to Vox; you could add 100% Vox to that as well
Lucifer > Transformed Charlie > FP Alastor > 100% Vox > Weakened Alastor > Base Charlie and Emily > Zestial > Vox > Overlords
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I think 100% vox is relative to weakened alastor.


Would transformed charlie be a part of the power of friendship ending defense or nah? I'm just trying to figure out who scales where. Vox overpowered Emily iirc right?
 
Grimm's_Fortitude said:
Giving Alastor didn't subtract any power from Rosie, I think it's more that she uplifted him. Probably the same for other Overlords seeing as Alastor doesn't seem to have lost any power in empowering Husk.

Also, is Niffty getting Magic seeing as she's probably a former Overlord like Husk?
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Elevate him how though? Alastor has power and it's clear it has to come from somewhere, so it has to come from Rosie herself otherwise she wouldn't be able to make the deal in the first place.


If it was the case that someone can just import energy from nothingness in Hazbin, then wouldn't everyone be making deals to be the strongest? Like, I think Vox would be very interested in giving out power to the people he has Soul contract on.
 
ShionAH said:
Idk why Rosie is > Alastor, you dont have to be stronger than someone to grant them power since support abilities exist. For all we know she could just have real strong empowerment abilities lol
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It's not a Rosie's ability thing, in Hazbin Hotel deals have the power to change reality and that was shown in how Alastor was capable of forcing Charlie to approve Vox
 
Stellar_Fish said:
Weakened Alastor is more powerful than both Emily and base Charlie, transformed Charlie is superior to FP Alastor and likely Rosie (Although we don't know enough about her to make her a profile imo). Zestial is superior to Vox; you could add 100% Vox to that as well
Lucifer > Transformed Charlie > FP Alastor > 100% Vox > Weakened Alastor > Base Charlie and Emily > Zestial > Vox > Overlords
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I don't see why base Emily would be so weak?

It's clear she's a pacifist character who isn't going to throw around her power. We already know an Archmangel is superior to Alastor, so why would a Seraphim, the highest rank (Archangel is the 2nd lowest) be inferior?

We see her only get grabbed by Vox but she never actually does anything to fight him. She even when she's freed so it's clear she's just not gonna fight back even when being messed with.
 
Electronic74947 said:
I think 100% vox is relative to weakened alastor.


Would transformed charlie be a part of the power of friendship ending defense or nah? I'm just trying to figure out who scales where. Vox overpowered Emily iirc right?
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Yeah Vox overpowered Emily but at that point he was already becoming way more powerful, he started growing in power since episode 5 so he was likely the strongest overlord without counting Alastor when he overpowered Emily. Transformed Charlie is her version with pitchfork and horns which was capable of seriously hurting Adam, something which Alastor never did (Although she looks weaker than she is because Alastor fights better than her)
 
Stellar_Fish said:
The best thing is to assume a distance similar to Mars and Earth as a low ball since they're both planets (Or look like it)
Unless we assume the ball Heaven has inside it's a Sun, in which case we would have to assume the distance between Proxima Centauri and the Sun.
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this, because Heaven clearly has a sun rays (where the hell do people get their own enjoyment on the beach?)
 
Udlmaster said:
I don't see why base Charlie would be so weak?
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She's portrayed as an equal to Emily, was more worried about the explosion than Alastor or Rosie and explicitly said it would kill them all, other than that she's pretty featless so there's no reason to assume she's superior to Alastor or something like that.
Udlmaster said:
We already know an Archmangel is superior to Alastor, so why would a Seraphim, the highest rank (Archangel is the 2nd lowest) be inferior?
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Emily is not a fully mature Seraphim yet, Sera was capable of helping Pentious' invention broadcast to hell by just touching it, she also made the shield which took Lucifer's power to destroy, things which Emily never accomplished, her creation abilities are poor and she got overpowered by Vox. It's clear that she isn't comparable to Sera.
Again, there's really no point in assuming these characters are far stronger than all the overlords when they never display said levels of power.
 
Stellar_Fish said:
She's portrayed as an equal to Emily, was more worried about the explosion than Alastor or Rosie and explicitly said it would kill them all, other than that she's pretty featless so there's no reason to assume she's superior to Alastor or something like that.
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Ignore Charie, I wrote out Charlie and not Emily.


Stellar_Fish said:
Emily is not a fully mature Seraphim yet, Sera was capable of helping Pentious' invention broadcast to hell by just touching it, she also made the shield which took Lucifer's power to destroy, things which Emily never accomplished, her creation abilities are poor and she got overpowered by Vox. It's clear that she isn't comparable to Sera.
Again, there's really no point in assuming these characters are far stronger than all the overlords when they never display said levels of power.
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She didn't get overpowered by Vox. It's clear Emily wasn't resisting since she's not a fighter in the fact place.

And we have no feats from Emily at all besides her status as a Seraphim, the Highest and powerful rank of Angel.

Rosie when she mentions Adam doesn't talk about him being particularly powerful as an Angelic being, she notes his rank when talking about his power.

So yeah, it's clear that your rank does denote power.
 
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