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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Yea, ik there's also that whole, "they had to do it together" thing, but do we know it there is more than 1 timeline in verse? Because I really doubt that the afterlife realms use the same time flow as earth. Which, would mean that if even only a portion, the angels would all need a uni+ rating to make. Though that seems iffy to me rn from a lack of evidence. Still, fingers crossed for teir 2 short king 🤞
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Didn't he work alongside other angels to create the real universe ?
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DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
In all honesty, I think the angels should, and will be shown to be in the teir 3 to teir 2, it's just that some people think that the whole "the angels created the universe" line is too vague. And even though we see what looks like a literal whole galaxy in Stolas' barrier he summoned to protect Blitz, I think most people here would class that as just esthetics instead of my personal belief, that it's a form of physical representation that he is solar system/galaxy level
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Anyone working on a tier 3 upgrade ?
 
You know, I love how there's so much talk of upgrades and shit for helluva cast... fix their profiles first.

Also, creation doesn't scale to AP without a UES, so the entire point of the upgrade wouldn't hold up in the slightest,
 
If we could ever get people on board with a galaxy dura for that barrier Stolas made, then those who could destroy it would scale, and I highly doubt that the sins couldn't do that, and Luci obviously could. Ik this is all just hopes and dreams, I'm just putting my thoughts out here.
DaReaperMan said:
You know, I love how there's so much talk of upgrades and shit for helluva cast... fix their profiles first.

Also, creation doesn't scale to AP without a UES, so the entire point of the upgrade wouldn't hold up in the slightest,
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DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
If we could ever get people on board with a galaxy dura for that barrier Stolas made, then those who could destroy it would scale, and I highly doubt that the sins couldn't do that, and Luci obviously could. Ik this is all just hopes and dreams, I'm just putting my thoughts out here.
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How do you know? For all you know they could power null Stolas and get rid of it. Or hit him because he wasn't in the barrier. Or spawn an attack on blitz. Or make a portal into the barrier.

There are many ways one can get past a barrier without breaking it.
 
DaReaperMan said:
How do you know? For all you know they could power null Stolas and get rid of it. Or hit him because he wasn't in the barrier. Or spawn an attack on blitz. Or make a portal into the barrier.

There are many ways one can get past a barrier without breaking it.
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Yes, your points are valid, just hoping here dude.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
What's the size of the rings ?

I saw stary skies in some of them.
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Why can't rings be just areas with Hell being a separate planet in space?
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
In all honesty, I think the angels should, and will be shown to be in the teir 3 to teir 2, it's just that some people think that the whole "the angels created the universe" line is too vague. And even though we see what looks like a literal whole galaxy in Stolas' barrier he summoned to protect Blitz, I think most people here would class that as just esthetics instead of my personal belief, that it's a form of physical representation that he is solar system/galaxy level
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They didn't create it. They "expanded" it. Which can mean anything, really.
 
Granted, I have admitted bias from being a HH&B fan and my Christian upbringing, plus I'm not a Calc Member. So, my opinions can and should be taken w/a grain of salt.

I believe that new calc of Stolas resisting that Star's gravity could be useable; we're still waiting on if the math if accepted and if it's not an outlier. We see it happen, the math seems good and it makes sense to me; he used the grimoire's magic/spells to transport himself and Octavia to the dying star while giving them the durability to , endurance, strength etc. to move freely w/out harm.

The statements of the Angels does seem very vague, but maybe has potential. The only one we have has a fairytale-like depiction that doesn't give a super reliable or factual vibe. And we don't have confirmation on how they did it, or any of the time and energy constraints. Though, these angels and higher demons are "essentially" gods, so I can absolutely see them scaling to such a level or even higher.

We might have to wait for future statements/feats and context for prior ones for anything other than the Stolas star calc. Hope this makes sense! 😊
 
They're sneaky
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Hazbin hotel celestial body tier?

So regarding the intro scene from Hazbin hotel. Particularly this feat, Shouldn't it count as splitting and or shaking the earth? I mean the requirements for splitting the earth according to our common reference guide is “The Earth either has to be split to an extent that is visible from outer...
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
They're sneaky
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Hazbin hotel celestial body tier?

So regarding the intro scene from Hazbin hotel. Particularly this feat, Shouldn't it count as splitting and or shaking the earth? I mean the requirements for splitting the earth according to our common reference guide is “The Earth either has to be split to an extent that is visible from outer...
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Oh yes I am.
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Granted, I have admitted bias from being a HH&B fan and my Christian upbringing, plus I'm not a Calc Member. So, my opinions can and should be taken w/a grain of salt.

I believe that new calc of Stolas resisting that Star's gravity could be useable; we're still waiting on if the math if accepted and if it's not an outlier. We see it happen, the math seems good and it makes sense to me; he used the grimoire's magic/spells to transport himself and Octavia to the dying star while giving them the durability to , endurance, strength etc. to move freely w/out harm.

The statements of the Angels does seem very vague, but maybe has potential. The only one we have has a fairytale-like depiction that doesn't give a super reliable or factual vibe. And we don't have confirmation on how they did it, or any of the time and energy constraints. Though, these angels and higher demons are "essentially" gods, so I can absolutely see them scaling to such a level or even higher.

We might have to wait for future statements/feats and context for prior ones for anything other than the Stolas star calc. Hope this makes sense! 😊
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Thank you my kind sir.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
They're sneaky
vsbattles.com

Hazbin hotel celestial body tier?

So regarding the intro scene from Hazbin hotel. Particularly this feat, Shouldn't it count as splitting and or shaking the earth? I mean the requirements for splitting the earth according to our common reference guide is “The Earth either has to be split to an extent that is visible from outer...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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I'm also of Reaper's opinion about improving the pages before this kind of thing, but like, I don't see anything new?

Lucifer's origin, everything there is an artistic demonstration of the story told by Charlie, so it could be literal or not (I'm inclined to not because I don't remember any angel demonstrating size manipulation). And expanding the universe is too vague, we don't know if it's creating celestial bodies or expanding the universe and even in the first option for vsbattle we need established deadlines to guarantee a tier (a short deadline).

About Lucifer creating a moon or Stolas creating a sky of stars, the OP literally linked a thread in which DT says the following:
Simultaneously, one should keep in mind that a lot of the magic will be done for the purpose of creating visuals and not the real thing. So e.g. if stars (i.e. lights in the sky) are moved around in a song, those are probably just dots of light. Or if things suddenly turn to night for a bit, that is probably just a visual effect.
For things like the "angels create the universe" cinematic I would assume those to be visual representations not literal depictions of how things happened.
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Which easily includes Stolas' moon and stars thing.

And honestly, why would they be literal real stars when Stolas did something similar in the first episode and we see that they are not literally stars, but just bright dots representing them?

The best thing in my opinion is that solar system moving and exploding in Stolas's music for Octavia.
 
Season 2 Helluva Boss Finale released.

I'm not gonna question on the plot itself because I need to think about that.

What's Im really interested in is the scaling implications. Stolas seems to retain his strength, but can't use his broken hax anymore. Blitzo's crew can go up against Demon Royalty with no Angelic Equipment. Octavia can go against the Ice Bird with ease.
 
LemonedEyes said:
Season 2 Helluva Boss Finale released.

I'm not gonna question on the plot itself because I need to think about that.

What's Im really interested in is the scaling implications. Stolas seems to retain his strength, but can't use his broken hax anymore. Blitzo's crew can go up against Demon Royalty with no Angelic Equipment. Octavia can go against the Ice Bird with ease.
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They didn't really go up against him tho, they didn't do any real damage to his actual body, they only cut up the dragon he made from ice. It was Octavia that ended the fight, and she's royalty as well.
 
DrGreyman said:
They didn't really go up against him tho, they didn't do any real damage to his actual body, they only cut up the dragon he made from ice. It was Octavia that ended the fight, and she's royalty as well.
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They did, I literally saw Loona draw blood from him, it just seems like if it isn't caused by either another Goetia, the sins, or angelic weapons, they just heal in a few seconds
 
So what, either low 7-C imps or 9-A physicals for the Goetia? I don't really think that narratively speaking it would make sense for sinners to have more physical AP and dura than a literal Goetia, the same who could have beaten Alastor more often than lose to him.
 
Honestly I don't know. This does **** up the Hierarchy tho. If Demon Royalty can get harmed by low tiers like Luna then idk man.

I really wish we get a new revision on the Hierarchy of the Hazbin verse because it really needs one.
 
LemonedEyes said:
Honestly I don't know. This does **** up the Hierarchy tho. If Demon Royalty can get harmed by low tiers like Luna then idk man.

I really wish we get a new revision on the Hierarchy of the Hazbin verse because it really needs one.
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Is not that hard, yes, they can get hurt, but can they win?******* no
 
LemonedEyes said:
Honestly I don't know. This does **** up the Hierarchy tho. If Demon Royalty can get harmed by low tiers like Luna then idk man.

I really wish we get a new revision on the Hierarchy of the Hazbin verse because it really needs one.
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It's not that deep man, the hierarchy is a combo of power in the sense of both combat AND social, the imps and hellhounds are still at the bottom, and the "damage" Loona did, and by extent the rest of the crew could commit, is irrelevant as it instantly heals without angelic weaponry negating their healing. Speaking of which, does that mean Stolas could heal too, cuz then that gives angelic weaponry healing factor negation.
 
I imagine it also has to do with hax and other esoteric abilities combined with their social standing. Stolas prior to his powers being taken had esoteric powers like petrification and even Elsa over here (ngl I just don't want to have to try and spell his name from memory) has the whole mass ice thing
 
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