Hazbin hotel celestial body tier?

[Mythic381]

So regarding the intro scene from Hazbin hotel.

Particularly this feat, Shouldn't it count as splitting and or shaking the earth? I mean the requirements for splitting the earth according to our common reference guide is
“The Earth either has to be split to an extent that is visible from outer space (so far away that one can see the Earth in its entirety) or it has to be known that the halves were separated by at least 203km.”

Which this feat qualifies for.

And you can't really argue it's visual effects because we hear a cracking sound, watch the particles fly off the earth and the angels fly back in shock.

Wouldn't this feat hence be small planetary according to our guide? On the same note Sera seems to be larger than Uranus

So why isn't she and by extension Lucifer considered small planetary? I mean Sera is literally afraid of him and he has size manipulation too.

On the topic of Lucifer.
In Hell’s greatest dad he is shown creating a moon, this was also seemingly accepted too so why isn't he moon level on his profile?

Also this song feat where Stolas creates a dimension with a starry sky and we literally see him create it but it isn't on his profile.

Also wouldn't it be possible to calculate Sera’s KE in her giant form or calculate the amount of energy taken by the angels to expand the universe?

 

[ShionAH]

Some profiles are outdated, the characters would be 4-A due to Lucifer also creating solar systems in his song

Plus that Stolas feat LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED DUDE. Calm down, make a CRT if you want

 

[Mythic381]

Some profiles are outdated, the characters would be 4-A due to Lucifer also creating solar systems in his song

Plus that Stolas feat LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED DUDE. Calm down, make a CRT if you want

I didn't really do the wording for this. So it may seem like I was rushing stuff, but no.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Some profiles are outdated, the characters would be 4-A due to Lucifer also creating solar systems in his song

Pretty much all song "feats" in HH/HB are bogus. The visuals in songs are quite out of line from the actual visuals we see in the non-musical fight scenes. It's quite clear the visuals in the song numbers are visual representations/gags rather than literal events taking place consistent with the Hellaverse's logic, as the non-musical literal fight scenes in the verse have absolutely none of the same celestial feats in these songs.

Plus that Stolas feat LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED DUDE. Calm down, make a CRT if you want

There's absolutely no proof that Stolas created literal stars there thousands of light-years away, let alone in the size of a castle room.

Starry sky feats in general are very choppy since 99% of the time there's no proof whatsoever it's not anything more than just a cool little background, as the otherwise implication is that person created literally billions upon billions of thousands of light-years apart stars, along with the actual stars themselves. Not particularly relevant since we accept these feats, but I plan on making a massive CRT against using these feats at face-value.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

So regarding the intro scene from Hazbin hotel.

Particularly this feat, Shouldn't it count as splitting and or shaking the earth? I mean the requirements for splitting the earth according to our common reference guide is
“The Earth either has to be split to an extent that is visible from outer space (so far away that one can see the Earth in its entirety) or it has to be known that the halves were separated by at least 203km.”

Which this feat qualifies for.

And you can't really argue it's visual effects because we hear a cracking sound, watch the particles fly off the earth and the angels fly back in shock.

I mean...you do know audio cues are used in most visual effects, right? Ever heard of explosion effects? Are Mr. Beast's CGI explosions now real because there's audio for the explosion?

Plus, Earth is clearly not cracked as is shown in Helluva Boss. Cracking the Earth would most certainly leave it cracked for good. And plus, Lucifer did nothing whatsoever which would constitute as an attack, so it would be impossible for him to literally split the Earth, and having it be a side-effect of Lucifer and Lilith giving Eve the apple of knowledge would mean he doesn't scale to it anyway. The crack in Earth is clearly just a visual representation of Lucifer and Lilith letting sin into the world.

 

[ShionAH]

Pretty much all song "feats" in HH/HB are bogus. The visuals in songs are quite out of line from the actual visuals we see in the non-musical fight scenes. It's quite clear the visuals in the song numbers are visual representations/gags rather than literal events taking place consistent with the Hellaverse's logic, as the non-musical literal fight scenes in the verse have absolutely none of the same celestial feats in these songs.

Its a statement from Lucifer

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Also wouldn't it be possible to calculate Sera’s KE in her giant form or calculate the amount of energy taken by the angels to expand the universe?

I already did that, BTW

 

[Mythic381]

I mean...you do know audio cues are used in most visual effects, right? Ever heard of explosion effects? Are Mr. Beast's CGI explosions now real because there's audio for the explosion?

Plus, Earth is clearly not cracked as is shown in Helluva Boss. Cracking the Earth would most certainly leave it cracked for good. And plus, Lucifer did nothing whatsoever which would constitute as an attack, so it would be impossible for him to literally split the Earth, and having it be a side-effect of Lucifer and Lilith giving Eve the apple of knowledge would mean he doesn't scale to it anyway. The crack in Earth is clearly just a visual representation of Lucifer and Lilith letting sin into the world.

There is zero proof that it is visual effects, legit everything points towards it being real, there's straight up debris we see getting shot out of the earth and the angels literally react to the earth being cracked. We also haven't seen a shot of the earth from space in Helluva and even if we do, Angels could have just repaired it

 

[Mythic381]

I already did that, BTW

I mean it being on the wiki and added to Lucifer's profile.

 

[Mythic381]

Pretty much all song "feats" in HH/HB are bogus. The visuals in songs are quite out of line from the actual visuals we see in the non-musical fight scenes. It's quite clear the visuals in the song numbers are visual representations/gags rather than literal events taking place consistent with the Hellaverse's logic, as the non-musical literal fight scenes in the verse have absolutely none of the same celestial feats in these songs.

There's absolutely no proof that Stolas created literal stars there thousands of light-years away, let alone in the size of a castle room.

Starry sky feats in general are very choppy since 99% of the time there's no proof whatsoever it's not anything more than just a cool little background, as the otherwise implication is that person created literally billions upon billions of thousands of light-years apart stars, along with the actual stars themselves. Not particularly relevant since we accept these feats, but I plan on making a massive CRT against using these feats at face-value.

It is debatable, but this already about it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Let me remind you your next best feat is like 4-B.

Let's shoot that first feat in the foot shall we? It's a creation myth from a book, that could easily be flowery about both size and powerless so already iffy, every other feat in the area is creation, and your single solid feat is from Stolas of all inconsistent ass characters

 

[Mythic381]

Let me remind you your next best feat is like 4-B.

Let's shoot that first feat in the foot shall we? It's a creation myth from a book, that could easily be flowery about both size and powerless so already iffy, every other feat in the area is creation, and your single solid feat is from Stolas of all inconsistent ass characters

Flowery wording doesn't apply when we literally see it happen on screen with nothing pointing towards it being false.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Flowery wording doesn't apply when we literally see it happen on screen with nothing pointing towards it being false.

You mean the fact the Earth is perfectly in-tact in Helluva Boss?

And it happening on screen doesn't make it not a flowery wording/metaphorical. Visual exaggerations are a big part of metaphorical showings too. We see this countless times in the musical numbers.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Let me remind you your next best feat is like 4-B.

Let's shoot that first feat in the foot shall we? It's a creation myth from a book, that could easily be flowery about both size and powerless so already iffy, every other feat in the area is creation, and your single solid feat is from Stolas of all inconsistent ass characters

It's also entirely possible the Book of Hell from the opening of Episode 1 could very easily be Lucifer/Lilith twisting the truth around a little bit to make themselves seem completely innocent. The Book of Hell is quite literally textbook propaganda. Lucifer is called "the prince of lies" for a reason.

Admittedly this bit is speculation and not entirely relevant here but I genuinely think this could make for a good plot twist later on in the series. Giving Lucifer a sort of Omni-Man reveal would go hard if done right.

 

[Mythic381]

You mean the fact the Earth is perfectly in-tact in Helluva Boss?

And it happening on screen doesn't make it not a flowery wording/metaphorical. Visual exaggerations are a big part of metaphorical showings too. We see this countless times in the musical numbers.

The earth is intact in Helluva which takes place at the very least 10 thousand years after those events. Angels could have just fixed it given changing celestial bodies are basically their thing. You would still have to justify it being metaphorical and as stated previously, Nothing really points to it especially given again, the angels react to the crack, there's debris from the crack, the crack produces sounds, etc.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The earth is intact in Helluva which takes place at the very least 10 thousand years after those events. Angels could have just fixed it given changing celestial bodies are basically their thing. You would still have to justify it being metaphorical and as stated previously, Nothing really points to it especially given again, the angels react to the crack, there's debris from the crack, the crack produces sounds, etc.

And it is in a book. A book can tell sweet lies, especially about history. This is not a solid feat in the slightest.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

The earth is intact in Helluva which takes place at the very least 10 thousand years after those events. Angels could have just fixed it given changing celestial bodies are basically their thing.

Um, since when? When at any point have we seen Angels do anything to celestial bodies outside of blatant visual gags/metaphors, which again, this scene very blatantly is? A 7-A attack is explicitly enough to threaten a majority of the verse, and is portrayed as Adam's most powerful, non-restrained attack. Lo and behold, that attack does absolutely nothing on a celestial body level. Literally nothing suggests this is literal like you claim. The scene is meant to represent Lucifer and Lilith releasing sin onto Earth, which cracking the Earth in two would absolutely be a fitting visual representation for. You need massive assumptions and leaps in logic to justify this being something that actually happened when nothing points to it being literal like you claim.

Nothing really points to it especially given again, the angels react to the crack, there's debris from the crack, the crack produces sounds, etc.

How do you not understand the concept that visual gags/metaphors can have accompanying sounds? That doesn't make it any more of a visual metaphor/representation. Debris from the crack also doesn't prove anything, it's just a part of the same visual metaphor as the cracked Earth. There being more visuals besides just the cracked Earth does not mean they aren't both just the same metaphor, which they are.

 

[Mythic381]

Um, since when? When at any point have we seen Angels do anything to celestial bodies outside of blatant visual gags/metaphors, which again, this scene very blatantly is? A 7-A attack is explicitly enough to threaten a majority of the verse, and is portrayed as Adam's most powerful, non-restrained attack. Lo and behold, that attack does absolutely nothing on a celestial body level. Literally nothing suggests this is literal like you claim. The scene is meant to represent Lucifer and Lilith releasing sin onto Earth, which cracking the Earth in two would absolutely be a fitting visual representation for. You need massive assumptions and leaps in logic to justify this being something that actually happened when nothing points to it being literal like you claim.

How do you not understand the concept that visual gags/metaphors can have accompanying sounds? That doesn't make it any more of a visual metaphor/representation. Debris from the crack also doesn't prove anything, it's just a part of the same visual metaphor as the cracked Earth. There being more visuals besides just the cracked Earth does not mean they aren't both just the same metaphor, which they are.

Repeating blatant visual gag without justifying it doesn't really help your argument, also we literally see the angels working on the earth and expanding the universe in the intro so yeah they do work on celestial bodies and Adam is not comparable to those angels so that argument doesn't work .

You would need to justify it being a visual gag first instead of just assuming it is, not to mention that if a visual gag affects the real world (Debris and sounds) and can be seen by people in the real world (Angels reacting to it) then it's not really a visual gag in the first place Your entire argument is built on an unwarranted assumption fallacy.