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Hashirama upgrade

SwordSlayer99

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This calc here http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/hashirama-outspeed-a-bb.21116/ calculates that Hashirama moved 43.88 meters in the same timeframe that Kurama's bijudama moved 5.62 meters.

That Bijudama was calced to be Mach 234 in this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RavenSupreme/Hashirama_speed_revision.

43.88 m / 5.62 m = Hashirama is 7.807829181494662 times faster that the bijudama. Mach 234 * 7.807829181494662 gives us Mach 1,827.032028469751.

Is the calc legit?

I would like to note that this calc is not calc stacking because the projectile that was calced was calced in the same scene / chapter that Hashirama dodged it here is the chapter for proof http://*********.com/Manga/Naruto/Chapter-621?id=250356
 
That's a big jump but is more believable than the previous mach hundred somethings that is far too big a gap from god tiers being in the 3000s or something.
 
OK, so I'm on my phone And can't check profiles, but I believe madara's and hashirama's physical stats scale to each other, so does this mean, madara's non jinchuriki forms are getting a speed bump?
 
No this is 100% calc stacking. You CANNOT use a result from another calc at all. That is considered calc stacking. The exceptions are calc for size. Bullets speed is not calc stacking as it is not generated from our calcs/NF calcs.
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Not really.
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"Character A has a certain speed through a calculation. He can not dodge the projectiles from character B from 2 meter distance. But Character C can dodge them from 1 meter distance, so character C has to be twice as fast as character A."

This is literally the same thing except with projectiles instead of Character A and no Character C.
 
  • First of all, are we absolutely sure that Hashirama moved 7.8 times the distance that the Bijuudama moved?
  • Are we also sure that the speed of Bijuudama is Mach 234? It could be that the entire scaling for calculating the Bijuudama may be wrong for this one.
I might re-calc this feat sometime later.

Edit: Did Hashirama dodge the Bijuudama at the same time as the Bijuudama was fired though?

  • The example here is considered calc-stacking because it uses a speed calc in a different scenario to find a new speed for a character in an another scenario.
  • However, if Hashirama dodged the Bijuudama, and the Bijuudama was actually calculated to be Mach 234, it could be that both Hashirama dodging and Bijuudama travelling may be happening in the same scenario, therefore, finding the distance travelled for both Hashirama and the Bijuudama is actually valid.
  • It's like saying if Bijuudama moved X metres and Hashirama moved (X+n) metres, and the Bijuudama has a speed of Mach 234, Hashirama would have a speed of (X+n)/(X) metres.
I am okay with this calculation, although the calc itself may be wrong the calc apparently assumes that the Bijuudama is 3.1m and the Rashomon being 55.7m tall when it dwarfs the size of mountains.

@LiamaGod1411: Use this link here.

 
This is clearly calc stacking. I don't understand how people can think that this is not calc stacking.
 
1.It is not calc stacking because we are calcing the speed of this particular bijuu bomb ,if another bijuu bomb was calced mach 234 and we based a calc on that then it would be calc stacking ,but in this case it isn't.
 
Hmmm...

I don't know because i can't open NF right now (shitty computer and internet connection united to make my life difficult) ,i remember that it was the same bijuu bomb but as i said can't check it now.
 
The problem with the calc atm is that there are so many steps involved in solving the calc and the OBD hasn't actually placed a consensus on that calc looking at the comments below.

Are we absolutely sure that OBD's scaling for the Bijuudama and the stuff in the calc is correct? Someone should check that.
 
This is not calc stacking. Calc stacking calcs the speed of something and applys it to something else while in this case they both happened in the same scene. Just like Kkapoios did in this calc where he calcs the rasenshurikens speed and then Pain dodges it and the same concept applys here with Hashirama and the Bijudama.

The bijudama that Hashirama is 7.9 times faster than is the same one that was calced to be Mach 234. Here is the chapter http://*********.com/Manga/Naruto/Chapter-621?id=250356 and you can see it is the same bijudama.
 
i can't find the links to the calcs... zzzzzzzzzzz also, i'd like to see the scans showing the distance moves by Hashirama and the Biiju Dama.
 
", i'd like to see the scans showing the distance moves by Hashirama and the Biiju Dama."

Here are the scans http://imgur.com/KpQGTtB , http://imgur.com/ko8W39. The first two scans calc the distance from the BB to Hashirama before the feat and the number is 40.12 m and the last scan http://imgur.com/hacNCpZ shows the distance after the feat is 34.5 m so the total distance crossed by the BB is 40.12 - 34.5 = 5.62m. Hashirama moved 43.88m in the same timeframe the BB moved 5.62m.
 
So, I asked Iwandesu about this calc to see if it is calc stacking or not, and he says that it is calc stacking due to using a speed from a calculated value to find the speed for a new value.

Perhaps I am leaning towards that opinion as well...
 
The reason this calc isn't calc stacking is because Hashirama outsped the bijudama in the exact same scene that the bijudama was calced to be mach 234.

Kkapoios did the exact same thing in this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kkapoios/Nagato's_Speed where Naruto FRS crosses the crater in 1 second and Pain dodges it. He uses the FRS speed to get Pain's speed and that's not calc stacking because it happens it the same scene.
 
Hashirama was seemingly outpacing the Biiju Dama, but This suggestion that he was moving several times faster than it contradicts any reason that he needed to fortify a shield to deflect it and also Madara's statment that Hashirama "could not get away anymore".

Even if this was not calc stacking (don't entirely see it being calc stacking, however), those are two contradictions against Hashirama being that much faster than the biiju dama.

Just in case this argument comes up: You can't use the body of water an excuse for him needing to stand his ground due to two reasons: 1) Ninja can run on water and 2) Hashirama uses water style.
 
Also, where is Hashirama when he put those gates up? Behind them? in the middle of them? He was not shown until after the blast got across the water.
 
Hashirama was on the other side of the gates than the bijudama. Those gates work like a summoning jutsu where you have to slam your hands on the ground to summon them. In order for the gates to be where they are, Hashirama would of had to been on the other side.
 
Yeap it's the same feat so it's not calc stacking ,it's pointed out on the blog and DontTalk also accepts this kind of feats.
 
Okay. Perhaps it would be best to ask DontTalk and the remaining calculation group members to weigh in as well?
 
So I guess we're still not done with Naruto calcs. I'll remain neutral for this but the wording behind why this isn't calc stacking is pretty weird.
 
Didn't he simply rise with the gate? Where is it proven that he jumped as high as a Bijuu Dama?
 
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