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If it is in same scene,I don't see why would it be calc stacking
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Hashirama upgrade
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Ye it'd be calc stacking if it were in another scene but the projectile was several times slower than hashirama which was calc"d at Mach 200 right afterwards so seems fine
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This seems like the blog I made on Temari Cyclone Scythe justu's speed
EDIT: Here's the true link to the blog
EDIT: Here's the true link to the blog
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Your link does not lead me to anywhere @Zz
And wont this feat be an Outlier?
And wont this feat be an Outlier?
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Sorry the link must be broken for some reason so I'll give you the next best thing Baseline speed in NarutoLlamaGod1411 said:
EDIT have to clear the link issue up with an ADMIN
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Sweet. I will change my vote to an OK as well. Might as well redo the calc and see what I get anyways; might be a higher speed a value or something.
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"If both calcs are based of the same bijuudama, then agree with the upgrade"
Here's the chapter where the feat happend http://*********.com/Manga/Naruto/Chapter-621?id=250356. Hashirama outsped it, then the Mach 234 feat happens.
Here's the chapter where the feat happend http://*********.com/Manga/Naruto/Chapter-621?id=250356. Hashirama outsped it, then the Mach 234 feat happens.
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So if this is accepted, who have we got that scales to it?
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"So if this is accepted, who have we got that scales to it?"
Base Hashirama, Madara ,Minato and BM Naruto. Maybe 4th Raikage (Minato is faster than Hashirama, and the 4th Raikage was keeping up with Minato in the 3rd war)
If the Raikage gets an upgrade, then KCM Naruto and all who scale to him would get an upgrade too.
Base Hashirama, Madara ,Minato and BM Naruto. Maybe 4th Raikage (Minato is faster than Hashirama, and the 4th Raikage was keeping up with Minato in the 3rd war)
If the Raikage gets an upgrade, then KCM Naruto and all who scale to him would get an upgrade too.
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This is completely wrong. (I haven't a clue since the way the calc is presented does not make a lick of sense to me.. I could be stupid, however)
If you guys are saying that Hashirama and the Bomb's height changes are what's judging the speed of Hashirama using Mach 234 for the bomb, this is completely wrong. The bomb was homing in and going straight for Hashirama's destination. It was not going directly downwards, so using height is not right. It was not going downwards while Hashirama was. It would be going at an angle.
If we're suggesting that the bomb was going directly towards Hashirama, of course Hashirama would hit the ground regardless of whether or not he was slower or faster than the Bijuu Dama.
"This calc here http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/hashirama-outspeed-a-bb.21116/calculates that Hashirama moved 43.88 meters in the same timeframe that Kurama's bijudama moved 5.62 meters."
I'm failing to see where the Bijuu Dama only move 5.62 meters (unless it is height). This is actually confusing me especially with broken links in the post. And if this is about the height, this would be very illogical due to the reason I listed above.
If you guys are saying that Hashirama and the Bomb's height changes are what's judging the speed of Hashirama using Mach 234 for the bomb, this is completely wrong. The bomb was homing in and going straight for Hashirama's destination. It was not going directly downwards, so using height is not right. It was not going downwards while Hashirama was. It would be going at an angle.
If we're suggesting that the bomb was going directly towards Hashirama, of course Hashirama would hit the ground regardless of whether or not he was slower or faster than the Bijuu Dama.
"This calc here http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/hashirama-outspeed-a-bb.21116/calculates that Hashirama moved 43.88 meters in the same timeframe that Kurama's bijudama moved 5.62 meters."
I'm failing to see where the Bijuu Dama only move 5.62 meters (unless it is height). This is actually confusing me especially with broken links in the post. And if this is about the height, this would be very illogical due to the reason I listed above.
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In this first scan http://imgur.com/ko8W39 it uses angsizing to find the distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama, 40.12m. Note that in the bottom of that scan Hashirama has already reached the other side and used the summing jutsu.
In the next scan http://imgur.com/hacNCpZ it calculates the red line to be 34.5 m. Taking the two numbers gives you the distance the BB moved in the timeframe that Hashirama moved.
In the next scan http://imgur.com/hacNCpZ it calculates the red line to be 34.5 m. Taking the two numbers gives you the distance the BB moved in the timeframe that Hashirama moved.
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One small thing.
A dude I asked(Completely Neutral To Naruto) told me that Bijuu Dama Mach100 Calc was debunked, and it is actually Mach400.
A dude I asked(Completely Neutral To Naruto) told me that Bijuu Dama Mach100 Calc was debunked, and it is actually Mach400.
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The Mach 234 comes from this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RavenSupreme/Hashirama_speed_revision.LlamaGod1411 said:
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Well, its fine I guess, after the broken NF links, I cant find most calcs.
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i still don't get it. Don't see Hashirama in the 2nd scan. What's the point being made.
If the red line is 34.5 meters, doesn't that mean that the distance between them lessened? I don't see how Hashirama is suddenly many times faster from that.
If the red line is 34.5 meters and Hashirama was initially 40+meters away from the ball, he should not be faster given that the BB was still several meters from the first gate. I don't see this whole distance thing that you and others are trying to point out.
If the red line is 34.5 meters, doesn't that mean that the distance between them lessened? I don't see how Hashirama is suddenly many times faster from that.
If the red line is 34.5 meters and Hashirama was initially 40+meters away from the ball, he should not be faster given that the BB was still several meters from the first gate. I don't see this whole distance thing that you and others are trying to point out.
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@Cin True, this calc is only valid if Hashirama's at the opposite direction of the Gates, when compared to the BB.
I think People consider that, because in No Rashomon shown till date(Shown Thrice/Four Times), the summoner has been at the side of the attack.
And it should somewhat be logical.
When you summon huge ass gates to defend you from an attack, you obviously will be at the opposite end of the attack.
Anywhere else, and his Summoning would be an utter waste.
I think People consider that, because in No Rashomon shown till date(Shown Thrice/Four Times), the summoner has been at the side of the attack.
And it should somewhat be logical.
When you summon huge ass gates to defend you from an attack, you obviously will be at the opposite end of the attack.
Anywhere else, and his Summoning would be an utter waste.
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"Don't see Hashirama in the 2nd scan. "
Hashirama is on the opposite site of the gates. In the first scan I showed you when the Bijudama was traveling at him, he had already reached his end destination and used the summing justu to summon the gates
"What's the point being made"
The point is Hashirama was fast enough to outspeed the bijudama to the point where he could summon his gates. Those gates take a bit of time to rise, and the bijudama is still on the opposite side of the gates when Hashirama is on the otherside.
Before the gates where up the distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama was 40.12 m.Afterwards in the second scan, The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama is 34.5 m. Minusing those two numbers gives you 5.62 m.
So in the timeframe that Hashirama outsped the Bijudama and summoned the gates and let the rise gates up,the BB had only traveled less than 6 m. That makes Hashirama several times faster than the BB.
"@Cin True, this calc is only valid if Hashirama's at the opposite direction of the Gates, when compared to the BB."
You can actually see in the first scan that Hashirama uses the gates in the direction of the BB, and in the next you see the BB flying at the gates, therefore Hashirama has to be on the otherside. There is no where else on panel for him to be.
Hashirama is on the opposite site of the gates. In the first scan I showed you when the Bijudama was traveling at him, he had already reached his end destination and used the summing justu to summon the gates
"What's the point being made"
The point is Hashirama was fast enough to outspeed the bijudama to the point where he could summon his gates. Those gates take a bit of time to rise, and the bijudama is still on the opposite side of the gates when Hashirama is on the otherside.
Before the gates where up the distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama was 40.12 m.Afterwards in the second scan, The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama is 34.5 m. Minusing those two numbers gives you 5.62 m.
So in the timeframe that Hashirama outsped the Bijudama and summoned the gates and let the rise gates up,the BB had only traveled less than 6 m. That makes Hashirama several times faster than the BB.
"@Cin True, this calc is only valid if Hashirama's at the opposite direction of the Gates, when compared to the BB."
You can actually see in the first scan that Hashirama uses the gates in the direction of the BB, and in the next you see the BB flying at the gates, therefore Hashirama has to be on the otherside. There is no where else on panel for him to be.
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the gates were already mostly up by the time we see them. Also, their speed is unknown, making this calc invalid. The distance between Hashirama and the bomb hardly increased from what is being given to us. Tell me something:
What was the distance both Hashirama and the Bomb traveled from the initial scan before Hashirama summoned the gates. This all seems very presumptious. They could have travelled several hundred meters before Hashirama summoned the gates.
We can only assume that Hashirama is at least = to the speed of the bijuu Dama since he kept himself away from it long enough to cast a jutsu and the distance between them was not increased as what is being suggested. I do not see how this calculation works given the assumed time-frame when it is not clear in any fashion (Can't use the gates, would be calc stacking from any previous speed feats they could ever possibly have).
The only thing that can be stated is that Hashirama is slightly faster than the beast bomb.
No Time-frame what-so-ever has ever from what is being said, No distance from initial point has been stated either, and the distance between Hashirama and the BB in the 2nd scan is being ASSUMED on the simple suggestion that Hashirama is directly behind the gates when, as this Jutsu has been used 2 times before this in the entire series, the first time showed it being summoned PERPENDICULAR to the casters (iirc, if not summoned in front at a 90 degree angle).
I do comply that he must have been behind the gates (but that has NEVER been shown), but there is nothing to give a time-frame. The gates? that would be calc stacking, but I don't even see a calculation for their speed. Hashirama's movement? It was never shown. The distance? It remained between 40~45 meters from what I can see.
This calc doesn't make sense. Everyone who accepted the calc, inform me if I am wrong.
What was the distance both Hashirama and the Bomb traveled from the initial scan before Hashirama summoned the gates. This all seems very presumptious. They could have travelled several hundred meters before Hashirama summoned the gates.
We can only assume that Hashirama is at least = to the speed of the bijuu Dama since he kept himself away from it long enough to cast a jutsu and the distance between them was not increased as what is being suggested. I do not see how this calculation works given the assumed time-frame when it is not clear in any fashion (Can't use the gates, would be calc stacking from any previous speed feats they could ever possibly have).
The only thing that can be stated is that Hashirama is slightly faster than the beast bomb.
No Time-frame what-so-ever has ever from what is being said, No distance from initial point has been stated either, and the distance between Hashirama and the BB in the 2nd scan is being ASSUMED on the simple suggestion that Hashirama is directly behind the gates when, as this Jutsu has been used 2 times before this in the entire series, the first time showed it being summoned PERPENDICULAR to the casters (iirc, if not summoned in front at a 90 degree angle).
I do comply that he must have been behind the gates (but that has NEVER been shown), but there is nothing to give a time-frame. The gates? that would be calc stacking, but I don't even see a calculation for their speed. Hashirama's movement? It was never shown. The distance? It remained between 40~45 meters from what I can see.
This calc doesn't make sense. Everyone who accepted the calc, inform me if I am wrong.
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In the first scan I showed you, Hashriama slammed his hand on the ground and the seal markings went towards the direction on the BB. That is proof that he is on the other side of the gates.
"What was the distance both Hashirama and the Bomb traveled from the initial scan before Hashirama summoned the gates."
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama before the gates go up was 40.12 m.
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama after the gates go up is 34.6 m. 40.12 - 34.6 gives you 5.62 m.
That's all the calc needs: The starting and ending distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama.
Hashirama outsped the Bijudama and put the gates up in the same timeframe the Bijudama traveled 5.62 m. There is no way that Hashirama is only "slightly faster than the beast bomb."" If Hashirama was slighly faster than how could he travel over 40 meters before the BB could travel 6 m? Hashirama is 7.8 times faster than that BB.
"What was the distance both Hashirama and the Bomb traveled from the initial scan before Hashirama summoned the gates."
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama before the gates go up was 40.12 m.
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama after the gates go up is 34.6 m. 40.12 - 34.6 gives you 5.62 m.
That's all the calc needs: The starting and ending distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama.
Hashirama outsped the Bijudama and put the gates up in the same timeframe the Bijudama traveled 5.62 m. There is no way that Hashirama is only "slightly faster than the beast bomb."" If Hashirama was slighly faster than how could he travel over 40 meters before the BB could travel 6 m? Hashirama is 7.8 times faster than that BB.
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Mm.. i'm also starting to have concerns here. i'm not confident with this.
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@Tivanenk Mangaka don't keep things like "Oh, Hashirama>BB in speed, so Hashirama can outrun it" in mind.
It is the calcs that show such outputs, and that question is pretty much Invalid.
How is it unclear as to where Hashirama moved?
It is pretty obvious that he will be on the other end of the gates.
If he wasn't, using Rashomon would be something utterly stupid, and Hashi is pretty much not ********.
It is the calcs that show such outputs, and that question is pretty much Invalid.
How is it unclear as to where Hashirama moved?
It is pretty obvious that he will be on the other end of the gates.
If he wasn't, using Rashomon would be something utterly stupid, and Hashi is pretty much not ********.
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Why didn't he just outran if he's that fast?"
The reasoned he summoned the gates was to redirect the Bijudama's trajectory. The very fact he outran and summoned those gates is proof that he is way, way faster than the BB.
" It's very unclear where exactly Hashirama moved to in comparison to the Bijuu Bomb"
What do you mean? The bijudama only traveled 5.62 meters total. And in the same timeframe the BB traveled 5.62 m, Hashirama had already reached far enough away from the BB to summon the gates. If Hashirama wasn't several times faster than the BB than how could he travel over 43 meters before the BB travels 6 m ?
The fact is Hashirama is on the other side of the gates while the BB is on the opposite side 30 meters away. That is a clear speed feat.
The reasoned he summoned the gates was to redirect the Bijudama's trajectory. The very fact he outran and summoned those gates is proof that he is way, way faster than the BB.
" It's very unclear where exactly Hashirama moved to in comparison to the Bijuu Bomb"
What do you mean? The bijudama only traveled 5.62 meters total. And in the same timeframe the BB traveled 5.62 m, Hashirama had already reached far enough away from the BB to summon the gates. If Hashirama wasn't several times faster than the BB than how could he travel over 43 meters before the BB travels 6 m ?
The fact is Hashirama is on the other side of the gates while the BB is on the opposite side 30 meters away. That is a clear speed feat.
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That is not proof he is behind it, his intention was to deflect the blast from hitting close by, so he could have been to the side, in front or, as you said, behind the gates. The distance is literally almost the same as it was initially if you say he is behind the gates.
"The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama before the gates go up was 40.12 m.
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama after the gates go up is 34.6 m. 40.12 - 34.6 gives you 5.62 m."
No, the distance between them was 40.12 meters initially. Hashirama was then running from the bomb for an unknown time-frame/distance'. The distance between them when Hashirama started summoning the gates was n'ever SHOWN -- only after the gates were mostly up was when we saw the bomb. The Speed of the gates is unknown, and Hashirama was not shown during that sca.
Using the summoned gate speed (where the gates were already almost completely up before the "less than 6 meters" distance for the BB occured) and relating it to Hashirama's own speed is invalid. There is no time-frame, we didn't see the distance the BB was when the gates STARTED rising, and Hashirama was more-or-less close to the 40.12 meters away from the bomb by the 2nd scan.
That is not proof he is behind it, his intention was to deflect the blast from hitting close by, so he could have been to the side, in front or, as you said, behind the gates. The distance is literally almost the same as it was initially if you say he is behind the gates.
"The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama before the gates go up was 40.12 m.
The distance between Hashirama and the Bijudama after the gates go up is 34.6 m. 40.12 - 34.6 gives you 5.62 m."
No, the distance between them was 40.12 meters initially. Hashirama was then running from the bomb for an unknown time-frame/distance'. The distance between them when Hashirama started summoning the gates was n'ever SHOWN -- only after the gates were mostly up was when we saw the bomb. The Speed of the gates is unknown, and Hashirama was not shown during that sca.
Using the summoned gate speed (where the gates were already almost completely up before the "less than 6 meters" distance for the BB occured) and relating it to Hashirama's own speed is invalid. There is no time-frame, we didn't see the distance the BB was when the gates STARTED rising, and Hashirama was more-or-less close to the 40.12 meters away from the bomb by the 2nd scan.
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Hashirama faced towards the BB when he did the summing jutsu and in the second scan we can see that the bijudama is on the opposite side than the gates. Hashriama had to of been behind those gates, thats what is shown in the 1st scan.
"" The distance between them when Hashirama started summoning the gates was never SHOWN"
The gates are a summing jutsu, and summon when you slam your hands on the ground.
Hashirama was 40.12 m from the BB before he ran and summoned the gates. After he summoned the gates, the Bijudama hasn't barely moved and is still on the opposite side of the gates. Hashirama traveled 43 m before in same timeframe the BB traveled 5.62m. How is that not a speed feat?
"" The distance between them when Hashirama started summoning the gates was never SHOWN"
The gates are a summing jutsu, and summon when you slam your hands on the ground.
Hashirama was 40.12 m from the BB before he ran and summoned the gates. After he summoned the gates, the Bijudama hasn't barely moved and is still on the opposite side of the gates. Hashirama traveled 43 m before in same timeframe the BB traveled 5.62m. How is that not a speed feat?
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Being on the opposite side of the gates doesn't mean "it barely moved". Hashirama and the BB were still 40+ meters away from eachother. The gates covered 34+meters between them. See? It would fit between them from the initial point anyways.
He didn't travel 43 meters. It was never shown. it's hard to make this clear to you. They consistently kept 40+ meters of distance between them, Hashirama stopped and summoned the gates, causing the BB to crash into them.
He didn't travel 43 extra meters from the BB otherwise it would have been a 83+meter distance between them when he started summoning the gates.
He didn't travel 43 meters. It was never shown. it's hard to make this clear to you. They consistently kept 40+ meters of distance between them, Hashirama stopped and summoned the gates, causing the BB to crash into them.
He didn't travel 43 extra meters from the BB otherwise it would have been a 83+meter distance between them when he started summoning the gates.
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This calc is immensely invalid. I advise everyone to look it over. It is making several assumptions on distance (for Hashirama) and time-frames.
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@Tivan - everyone seemed to be in agreement with it, so i felt my brain tense up when i didn't comprehend anything that was being said with the links provided.
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Hold on just a darn moment. I am still unsure in regards to this calculation, so I need to review the entire calc and post it on NF and here to get further input.
Also, Iwan and LordX did call this calc stacking as well, so the calc stack issue must be checked for that too.
@Cin: Keep in mind that in the series and the games, this version of Rashomon requires Hashirama to get behind the gates as the gates form out of the ground. There should be a scan showing Hashirama behind the gates as well during the technique.
Also, Iwan and LordX did call this calc stacking as well, so the calc stack issue must be checked for that too.
@Cin: Keep in mind that in the series and the games, this version of Rashomon requires Hashirama to get behind the gates as the gates form out of the ground. There should be a scan showing Hashirama behind the gates as well during the technique.
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The reason calc stacking isn't accepted is because of the inconsistencies ,when it is done on the same feat there are no inconsistences so no matter what Iwan and LordX say it's not calc stacking.
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@Lina there is no scan, and even if he were behind them, looking at the scan with the red line, the distance between Hashirama (where he should be behind the gates) and the Bijuu Dama is still around 40+ meters rather than what is being suggested.
They maintained a similar distance from eachother throughout the unknown time-frame is all that I can conclude from looking at the PX scalings in both scans. The time frame is unknown, but Hashirama ended up traveling a few meters further from the Bijuu Dama, so it is safe to say he is somewhat >Mach 234 in base. But given that there was not that much land left before they got close to the water, the time-frame had to have been relatively small before Hashirama summoned, so he may be Mach 300 (it can't be something ridiculous due to contradicting Madara's statement that Hashirama could not get away anymore).
@Kka - The problem here isn't Calc stacking. It is an assumed time-frame and very very strange PX scalings. The distance between Hashi and BB in Scan A is 40.12 meters. The distance between them as Hashirama summons the rashomon is still <50 meters, which counters the "43 meters before BB traveled 5.62 meters" argument, but the issue here is that there is no clear time-frame. We can only assume he is faster than the Bijuu Dama by a small amount given Madara's statement and that he could not outrun it. Being several times faster wouldn't make any sense either way.
They maintained a similar distance from eachother throughout the unknown time-frame is all that I can conclude from looking at the PX scalings in both scans. The time frame is unknown, but Hashirama ended up traveling a few meters further from the Bijuu Dama, so it is safe to say he is somewhat >Mach 234 in base. But given that there was not that much land left before they got close to the water, the time-frame had to have been relatively small before Hashirama summoned, so he may be Mach 300 (it can't be something ridiculous due to contradicting Madara's statement that Hashirama could not get away anymore).
@Kka - The problem here isn't Calc stacking. It is an assumed time-frame and very very strange PX scalings. The distance between Hashi and BB in Scan A is 40.12 meters. The distance between them as Hashirama summons the rashomon is still <50 meters, which counters the "43 meters before BB traveled 5.62 meters" argument, but the issue here is that there is no clear time-frame. We can only assume he is faster than the Bijuu Dama by a small amount given Madara's statement and that he could not outrun it. Being several times faster wouldn't make any sense either way.
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So you're saying that the Mach 234 speed came from this same feat? As in, Character A throws the projectile at Character B. We calculate the projectile to be Mach 234 and then Character B dodges?Kkapoios said:
I was thinking it was: Character A throws the projectile and it's calc'ed to be Mach 234. Later on Character B dodges a different throw.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1DIyZCetc
^Ye he outran it.He started point blank range from Madara at first and he ran from it because Bijuu damas cover a lot of range in general
^Ye he outran it.He started point blank range from Madara at first and he ran from it because Bijuu damas cover a lot of range in general
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@Akuto:
Also, I did not notice Hashirama moving at the same time as the Bijuu Bomb did while making this calculation. Will check again however.
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/kyuubis-bijuudama-calc.35735/
- The anime is not canon to the series. You can't use it.
- It would be helpful if you could provide the exact time in the video when Hashirama sets up the gate.
Also, I did not notice Hashirama moving at the same time as the Bijuu Bomb did while making this calculation. Will check again however.
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/kyuubis-bijuudama-calc.35735/
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The anime is literally just an adaptation of the manga.Theirs so much detail left out between each panel.That said it's not even needed in this case.
Madara launched his bijuudama as a cripple (immobile) while hashirama covered the distance himself
Only way to say that's not the case is to prove Madara moved throughout the transition.
Not gonna argue however just waiting for @Donttalk to give his input since he oversees most calcs on this site if I'm not mistaken
Madara launched his bijuudama as a cripple (immobile) while hashirama covered the distance himself
Only way to say that's not the case is to prove Madara moved throughout the transition.
Not gonna argue however just waiting for @Donttalk to give his input since he oversees most calcs on this site if I'm not mistaken
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@Lina which of the Bijudama speeds would be the most correct? You calced Mach 1,687 and in the comments Iwandesu calculated it to be Mach 128 or Mach 336. Which is the correct number?
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