Harle vs Illumina

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sounds like a good match. Both 2-A and speed is equalized. Who wins?

Harle: 0

Illumina: 2 (DeathstrokeTheHedgehog, AlexZiggy)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[AlexZiggy]

Hmmm. I'm not quite sure where Illumina stands on the Archie Scaling Chain so for the moment i will refrain from talking about AP. That said can Harle affect an abstract such as Illumina?

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Illumina is an Non-Corporeal abstract being protected by the concept of dreams. Harle can affect nonexistent beings (to what level idk because the maker of the page didn't clarify), but I don't think affecting nonexistent beings will means she can affect abstract existence.

Harle's Regenerationn and ressurection negation, as well as insta-kill moves, depends on BFRing souls to hell. I'm pretty sure by the abstract description, Illumina doesn't have a soul.

Honestly when chopping these ability lists down according to opponent counters, Harle's only real abilities are status effects, healing spells, holy manipulation, and statistics amplication & reduction. Not really much compared to Illumina's cosmic abilities such as reality warping, spatial manipulation, time manipulation, and conceptual manipulation.

Granted, I know little of either of these two characters, so I only went off of what the pages told me. From what I know, the Illumina takes the W.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Hmmm. I'm not quite sure where Illumina stands on the Archie Scaling Chain so for the moment i will refrain from talking about AP. That said can Harle affect an abstract such as Illumina?

Take a infinite number of universes (baseline 2-A), then multiply that by all the dreams of beings across those universes, as they become worlds (universes) of their own.

That is how far above baseline Illumina is.

Harle can affect non-existent beings but otherwise I don't know that much about her.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

That's basically infinitely above the baseline, no?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I don't know, but it's huge.

 

[AlexZiggy]

It should be me thinks, but im not 100% sure. Regardless i believe Illumina outhaxes. Coupled with the fact that Harle cant really do anything of major significance against her plus her massive AP advantage makes me believe this isa bit of a stomp

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Lets wait for someone knowledgeable about Chrono Trigger to step by.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Quick question, Shadow.

Wouldn't Super Sonic scale due to, ya know, accidentally erasing/warping her and everything else with his charged Chaos Control?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, he would scale. And on top of that he erased the Chaos Force as well.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

her massive AP advantage makes me believe this isa bit of a stomp

Agreed. Harle is far too weak and can't even truly affect Illumina with the few abilities she can actually use against her.

Bringing up the whole AP thing sealed the deal. This is a stomp.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>AP stomp

>Scales somewhat near Time Devourer

No.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

>AP stomp
>Scales somewhat near Time Devourer

No.

ShadowWarrior stated that the AP of Illumina was: "Take a infinite number of universes (baseline 2-A), then multiply that by all the dreams of beings across those universes, as they become worlds (universes) of their own."

Even if we only took one Earth, that's 7 billion people, with 3-5 dreams per night. That's 21-35 billion dreams in just one night of sleep.

If we take one night of sleep of everyone in the infinite multiverse, Illumina is 21-35 billion times above baseline. If everyone lived to 80 years (29200 nights of sleep), then Illumina is 613.2 trillion to 1.022 quadrillion times above baseline for multiversal+.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Hold my beer...

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

wouldn`t illumina be infinitely above baseline 2A.There is an infinite amount of universes which should have an infinite amount of people.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

wouldn`t illumina be infinitely above baseline 2A.There is an infinite amount of universes which should have an infinite amount of people.

Also that, but I'm not sure if I'm thinking it 100% correctly, so I'm sticking with my lowball for now

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Hold my beer...

I'm intrigued

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2299213

 

[Phoenix821]

Oh sure you notice this Harle thread but not mine

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

>Harle was able to fight Time Devourer.

>Turns out a less haxxed Illumina stomps her.

Well damn.