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Hajime Nagumo vs Road Kamelot - Battle For 1st Strongest Low 6-B (Non-Smurf)

Expectro2000xxx

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What would be Road first move? Hajime normally start just with his two guns, but generally against people of his level he also begin with Riftwalk which is a thought based 12x speed amp that additionally increase his perception to the point of things at slow motion and with extreme detail (it can potentially reach the point of see things basically stopped depending on how much he focus), in this key since he is in battle mode he also use his CheatMate which is a 2x amp in all his stats.

And although he begin with his two guns he is quick to summon any other artifact of his long list of equipment, this include his compass which have concept magic and tell him the location of what he desire, which along with his Crystal Key which use concept magic to go to the place he want (this include other dimensions and universes) should counter the interdimensional range of Road.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Can Hajime find and enter Road's pocket dimension to attack her true form?
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DontTalkDT said:
How does he get the knowledge that there is a dimension and where it is?
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  • Compass of Eternal Paths: A compass created by Concept Magic, based on the concept of "Points its owner toward whatever they desire.". It will lead the user to the location that they want to go, to anything, anywhere, be it hidden or even in another world. It uses Spirit Magic to surmise what the user wishes for, Spatial Magic to ignore the distance between Hajime and the target to find it, and Evolution Magic to supply information about the target.
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  • Crystal Key: A key created using Concept Magic based on the concept of opening the door to the desired place. It opens a gate to the desired location using magic power in proportion with the connecting of the space.
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With the compass he can know the location of whatever he desire, he have used this not only to know the location of places but also to find specific people or object, as long he wish to know the compass will tell him where the target is. Similarly with the Cristal Key he can go to any place he desire, be it another world/universe or dimension.

The only thing Hajime need is suspect or discover that something happen with Road (which isn't actually hard, specially considering his analytical capability and intelligence) to simple decide to use the compass and key.

To also note is that Hajime have a skill that is an analytical prediction to know what will happen along with his own instincts that are basically spider-senses, he also have several type of special senses that he use to analyze things but specially to note in this case is his ability to analyze abstract information with evolution magic (info manip), so he should be more than capable to know the danger from Road attacks and react accordingly. With his adaptation to special energies properties along with his reactive evolution he also arguably could adapt to dark matter haxs, he also have his own matter manip with creation magic which manipulate all inorganic magic and metamorphosis magic which control all organic matter, and was said by Ehit (who come was the top of a super scientifically advanced world) to control the fundamental elements of reality, so it could potentially reach the same level as dark matter, though regardless of if it really reach that level Hajime matter manip shouldn't be overcome by Road do to the law and concept manip part of it.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
What would be Road first move? Hajime normally start just with his two guns, but generally against people of his level he also begin with Riftwalk which is a thought based 12x speed amp that additionally increase his perception to the point of things at slow motion and with extreme detail (it can potentially reach the point of see things basically stopped depending on how much he focus), in this key since he is in battle mode he also use his CheatMate which is a 2x amp in all his stats.

And although he begin with his two guns he is quick to summon any other artifact of his long list of equipment, this include his compass which have concept magic and tell him the location of what he desire, which along with his Crystal Key which use concept magic to go to the place he want (this include other dimensions and universes) should counter the interdimensional range of Road.
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Its dependent on the level of the opponent, against opponents weaker then her she likes to toy around with them by using things like he candles to pluck out their eyes or pin them up against walls, against stronger opponents or opponents that are comparable to her she either uses Dark Matter attacks or absorbs them into her dimensions which she proceeds **** them up their with a plethora of her hax's.

Don't really believe the speed amps or perception amps mean anything given Road's Intang and Type 9 tbh.

Road's dimensions are directly controlled by her and she can allow people into them or not, like you can't actually travel to these pocket dimensions with just regular dimensional travel because Road would disallow this entrance into her dimensions, so unless the dimensional travel is layered? (idk if that's even a thing) or said dimensional travel as some sort of extremely layered Power Nullification he isn't getting into her dimension unless she actively allows him into it.


Road's main wincons are.

1 - Hitting Hajime with literally any Dark Matter attack which contains a bunch of layered to shit hax's like Soul Manipulation, Molecular and Marco-Quantum Deconstruction, Power Nullification, Absorption, Diseases Manipulation and Poison Manipulation.

All of these hax's are around 8 to 9 Layers in potency (in actuality all of Road's Dark Matter hax's are 8 to 9 layers in potency as well)

2 - Forcefully BFR Hajime's soul into her dimension and then proceed to power null most of his abilities and mind hax him into oblivion, with this she can also create illusionary clones of everyone Hajime has ever known while also constantly filling his mind with countless corrupted versions of his memories, if she also successfully mentally/spiritually breaks Hajime she can create an illusionary copy of him that will inhabit his body in the physical world, causing him to become subservient to Road.
 
Basically what Deceived said.

Plus her True Body is harder to interact with, since it isn't only one dimension but multiple dimensions, so he'd need to find which one she's lingering in, and even then the last time someone invaded her dimensions they got completely ****** given that she has complete control of said dimensions.



Also from what I can remember, her illusion hax can affect Allen's Cursed Eye, which as stupidly forms of Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Sensory Perception.

Also her Dark Matter attacks don't need to "land.", Dark Matter has a great amount of AoE if they desire and had a good range of spalsh effects.


Speed amps are essentially irrelevant due to her Type 9 and Akuma Reactive Evolution. Noah get stronger as they feel more negative emotion, not just from the opponent but from the entire world.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
Will begin to write an answer, but first would like to say that based in the comments it looks to me like you didn't read Hajime profile.
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I didn't.

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Deceived said:
Its dependent on the level of the opponent, against opponents weaker then her she likes to toy around with them by using things like he candles to pluck out their eyes or pin them up against walls, against stronger opponents or opponents that are comparable to her she either uses Dark Matter attacks or absorbs them into her dimensions which she proceeds **** them up their with a plethora of her hax's.

Don't really believe the speed amps or perception amps mean anything given Road's Intang and Type 9 tbh.

Road's dimensions are directly controlled by her and she can allow people into them or not, like you can't actually travel to these pocket dimensions with just regular dimensional travel because Road would disallow this entrance into her dimensions, so unless the dimensional travel is layered? (idk if that's even a thing) or said dimensional travel as some sort of extremely layered Power Nullification he isn't getting into her dimension unless she actively allows him into it.


Road's main wincons are.

1 - Hitting Hajime with literally any Dark Matter attack which contains a bunch of layered to shit hax's like Soul Manipulation, Molecular and Marco-Quantum Deconstruction, Power Nullification, Absorption, Diseases Manipulation and Poison Manipulation.

All of these hax's are around 8 to 9 Layers in potency (in actuality all of Road's Dark Matter hax's are 8 to 9 layers in potency as well)

2 - Forcefully BFR Hajime's soul into her dimension and then proceed to power null most of his abilities and mind hax him into oblivion, with this she can also create illusionary clones of everyone Hajime has ever known while also constantly filling his mind with countless corrupted versions of his memories, if she also successfully mentally/spiritually breaks Hajime she can create an illusionary copy of him that will inhabit his body in the physical world, causing him to become subservient to Road.
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First thing, Noah is able to feel how strong is the opponent to get serious from the start? Because if she normally toy with her opponent she would need to feel something dangerous from Hajime to decide go serious, though in retrospective considering Hajime fear and madness aura she probably would go with all from the beginning so that point I guess is smooth. Also, just in case Hajime can both feel and see the strength of the other side so he isn't going to understimate the enemy, specially since in this key he was mentally prepared to go to war.

Don't really see why the immortality type 9 would counter the enemy moving fast (specifically 12x faster at minimun if he just he Riftwalk, with any other amp it would get far higher) or seeing everything in slow motion, and if I'm not wrong her invulnerability is simply based on her true self being in another dimension correct? Because in that case that get countered, though that would be in the next paragraph.

Have she ever stopped a conceptual or law based ability with her powers? Because she would need feats to say that she could abilities abilitites, in this case specifically speaking dimensional travel, with those powers. Though regardless of she have said feats it doesn't matter, this because Hajime with a far inferior copy of the Crystal Key (in that moment the Crystal Key was destroyed so he needed to use a copy not only less powerful but that only lasted one use) was able to enter Ehit Sanctuary which blocked anyone that Ehit didn't approve to enter, the Sanctuary consist of many different dimensions which Ehit can control as he want (his control over the Sanctuary is that great that in the moment he died and stopped to control them they began to discontrol and were going to cause a explosion that would had destroyed the world). So Hajime indeed is able to force his way in others dimensions.

1. About the hax and layers, in Hajime case he have ancient magics and resist them, ancient magics is magic that is above the laws that govern the world and can rewrite reality laws on top of directly control abstract concepts, he have all seven ancient magic: gravity magic, spirit magic, creation magic, metamorphosis magic, spatial magic, evoltion magic and restoration magic, and despite what their name could make one believe is explained that the powers of each ancient magic is more than what the name suggest: gravity magic actually control all the energy of a planet or celestial body, spirit magic actually control all immaterial aspects of a being (things like for example their souls, memories, minds, stamina, heat, life, etc, spirit magic can also be used to null things), creation magic control all inorganic matter, metamorphosis magic control all organic matter along with everything related to living beings, spatial magic control boundaries (so it can do things like manipulate the boundaries between fantasy and reality for example), evolution magic control abstract information and restoration magic manipulate time.

Hajime scaling of ancient magic in general at this point is like this (sorry for the random names that you don't understand):

Zero Atavist < Zero Templar Knights < Zero Holy Templar Knights < Aiko < Fried < Hajime party ancient magic pre vol 8 < Hajime party ancient magic post vol 8 < Alva Divine Edict < Alvaheit Divine Edict < Ehit Zero Divine Edict < Ehitorujue Zero Divine Edict < Ehit Divine Edict < Ehitorujue Divine Edict < Soul Shell.

So around 15 layers, it could get higher if more specific elements are taking in consideration along with use the Liberators from Zero, but that would make the list of unknow names and terms unnecessarily more long and confusing, so this is enough.

Additionally should be noted that Hajime actually have an adaptation that work by adapting to the powers of unique energies, in Arifureta exist several different energy with their unique powers and characteristics, the characteristic of the energy of earthlings like Hajime let them adapt to other unique energies, is do to this that the first time he and his classmates encountered magic power they gained their power and ability to manipulate it. So this could also let him adapt to the haxs and develop resistances and counters (aside obviously of also his own reactive evolution).

2. Hajime layers of resistances are high enough to resist the soul and mind interference, additionally at this point his will and emotions have reached conceptual levels, something which let him not only adapt to resist haxs but also let him create conceptual abilities (the Crystal Key for example is something born from his emotion of wanting to return to his home in Japan).
LordGinSama said:
Basically what Deceived said.

Plus her True Body is harder to interact with, since it isn't only one dimension but multiple dimensions, so he'd need to find which one she's lingering in, and even then the last time someone invaded her dimensions they got completely ****** given that she has complete control of said dimensions.



Also from what I can remember, her illusion hax can affect Allen's Cursed Eye, which as stupidly forms of Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Sensory Perception.

Also her Dark Matter attacks don't need to "land.", Dark Matter has a great amount of AoE if they desire and had a good range of spalsh effects.


Speed amps are essentially irrelevant due to her Type 9 and Akuma Reactive Evolution. Noah get stronger as they feel more negative emotion, not just from the opponent but from the entire world.
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The conpass let him conceptually know the location of what he want regardless of anything, is thanks to it that he could find Ehit inside the many dimensions of the Sancturary, as mentioned before Ehit also have absolute control of the dimensions in the Sanctuary and even then Hajime still could defeat him (specifically speaking he ended destroying his concept in a way that not even time manip could restore him).

Just saw Allen's Cursed Eye senses and they are actually things that Hajime had from early in the story, in his case also aside from the x-ray, soul vision, omidirectional detectiong, foresight and aura sensing Hajime can also feel emotions, thoughts, detect invisible things, heat vision, detect bio signatures, detect spatial annomalies before they manifest and other things, specially to note is his ability to directly see and analyze abstract information, along with his instincts that are practically spider-senses. Mana users are also able to detect beings like abstract existences and in Hajime case he can detect the existence of this dude who have one of the most broken stealth abilitites in the wiki, so considering everything I feel unlikely that she could stop his senses.

Between his arsenal Hajime have space isolation artifacts that are able to stop others ancient magics or shields with restoration magic (time manip) which not only can stop ancient magics but can even restore themselves fast enough to overcome a disintegration barriage from dozens of Apostles at the same time, so he have the means necessary to block her attacks.

Again, don't really see way immortality type 9 would neg big speed amps. The profile say that Akumas get stronger when killing though, although regardless Hajime also have reactive evolution, in his case is stated to continously grow each second stat and skill wise, this showed to reach the point that in his previous key he stomped a perfect copy of himself after minutes, his accelerated developed also have showed to make him able to go from tier 7 to 6 in a relatively short time of a month, so in this are he is probably also covered, not to mention that he is also the side with an stat advantage with all his amps and artifacts.
 
Hajime isn't a sociapth though, and I'm also sure various of their powers work even if isn't against Innocence, though some of them I remember to saw only work against holy beings so those specifically wouldn't work against Hajime do to him not be holy in any sense.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
innocense (positive) while dark matter (negative)
its already mentioned in her profile (Weaknesses: Innocence. However, that's only if she takes a direct hit. Even Innocence cannot damage Road, unless it hits her true self)
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Okay? That's not what the profile means. It means that Innocence can harm her, not that her abilities only strictly effect Innocence. Get some reading comprehension.
 
Arkenis said:
Hajime can't get to her dimension.
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Expectro2000xxx said:
First thing, Noah is able to feel how strong is the opponent to get serious from the start? Because if she normally toy with her opponent she would need to feel something dangerous from Hajime to decide go serious, though in retrospective considering Hajime fear and madness aura she probably would go with all from the beginning so that point I guess is smooth. Also, just in case Hajime can both feel and see the strength of the other side so he isn't going to understimate the enemy, specially since in this key he was mentally prepared to go to war.

Don't really see why the immortality type 9 would counter the enemy moving fast (specifically 12x faster at minimun if he just he Riftwalk, with any other amp it would get far higher) or seeing everything in slow motion, and if I'm not wrong her invulnerability is simply based on her true self being in another dimension correct? Because in that case that get countered, though that would be in the next paragraph.

Have she ever stopped a conceptual or law based ability with her powers? Because she would need feats to say that she could abilities abilitites, in this case specifically speaking dimensional travel, with those powers. Though regardless of she have said feats it doesn't matter, this because Hajime with a far inferior copy of the Crystal Key (in that moment the Crystal Key was destroyed so he needed to use a copy not only less powerful but that only lasted one use) was able to enter Ehit Sanctuary which blocked anyone that Ehit didn't approve to enter, the Sanctuary consist of many different dimensions which Ehit can control as he want (his control over the Sanctuary is that great that in the moment he died and stopped to control them they began to discontrol and were going to cause a explosion that would had destroyed the world). So Hajime indeed is able to force his way in others dimensions.

1. About the hax and layers, in Hajime case he have ancient magics and resist them, ancient magics is magic that is above the laws that govern the world and can rewrite reality laws on top of directly control abstract concepts, he have all seven ancient magic: gravity magic, spirit magic, creation magic, metamorphosis magic, spatial magic, evoltion magic and restoration magic, and despite what their name could make one believe is explained that the powers of each ancient magic is more than what the name suggest: gravity magic actually control all the energy of a planet or celestial body, spirit magic actually control all immaterial aspects of a being (things like for example their souls, memories, minds, stamina, heat, life, etc, spirit magic can also be used to null things), creation magic control all inorganic matter, metamorphosis magic control all organic matter along with everything related to living beings, spatial magic control boundaries (so it can do things like manipulate the boundaries between fantasy and reality for example), evolution magic control abstract information and restoration magic manipulate time.

Hajime scaling of ancient magic in general at this point is like this (sorry for the random names that you don't understand):

Zero Atavist < Zero Templar Knights < Zero Holy Templar Knights < Aiko < Fried < Hajime party ancient magic pre vol 8 < Hajime party ancient magic post vol 8 < Alva Divine Edict < Alvaheit Divine Edict < Ehit Zero Divine Edict < Ehitorujue Zero Divine Edict < Ehit Divine Edict < Ehitorujue Divine Edict < Soul Shell.

So around 15 layers, it could get higher if more specific elements are taking in consideration along with use the Liberators from Zero, but that would make the list of unknow names and terms unnecessarily more long and confusing, so this is enough.

Additionally should be noted that Hajime actually have an adaptation that work by adapting to the powers of unique energies, in Arifureta exist several different energy with their unique powers and characteristics, the characteristic of the energy of earthlings like Hajime let them adapt to other unique energies, is do to this that the first time he and his classmates encountered magic power they gained their power and ability to manipulate it. So this could also let him adapt to the haxs and develop resistances and counters (aside obviously of also his own reactive evolution).

2. Hajime layers of resistances are high enough to resist the soul and mind interference, additionally at this point his will and emotions have reached conceptual levels, something which let him not only adapt to resist haxs but also let him create conceptual abilities (the Crystal Key for example is something born from his emotion of wanting to return to his home in Japan).

The conpass let him conceptually know the location of what he want regardless of anything, is thanks to it that he could find Ehit inside the many dimensions of the Sancturary, as mentioned before Ehit also have absolute control of the dimensions in the Sanctuary and even then Hajime still could defeat him (specifically speaking he ended destroying his concept in a way that not even time manip could restore him).

Just saw Allen's Cursed Eye senses and they are actually things that Hajime had from early in the story, in his case also aside from the x-ray, soul vision, omidirectional detectiong, foresight and aura sensing Hajime can also feel emotions, thoughts, detect invisible things, heat vision, detect bio signatures, detect spatial annomalies before they manifest and other things, specially to note is his ability to directly see and analyze abstract information, along with his instincts that are practically spider-senses. Mana users are also able to detect beings like abstract existences and in Hajime case he can detect the existence of this dude who have one of the most broken stealth abilitites in the wiki, so considering everything I feel unlikely that she could stop his senses.

Between his arsenal Hajime have space isolation artifacts that are able to stop others ancient magics or shields with restoration magic (time manip) which not only can stop ancient magics but can even restore themselves fast enough to overcome a disintegration barriage from dozens of Apostles at the same time, so he have the means necessary to block her attacks.

Again, don't really see way immortality type 9 would neg big speed amps. The profile say that Akumas get stronger when killing though, although regardless Hajime also have reactive evolution, in his case is stated to continously grow each second stat and skill wise, this showed to reach the point that in his previous key he stomped a perfect copy of himself after minutes, his accelerated developed also have showed to make him able to go from tier 7 to 6 in a relatively short time of a month, so in this are he is probably also covered, not to mention that he is also the side with an stat advantage with all his amps and artifacts.
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Just got a moment to be here and saw that the thread advanced a bit
Arkenis said:
Hajime can't get to her dimension.
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If you read his profile you could find this:
  • Compass of Eternal Paths: A compass created by Concept Magic, based on the concept of "Points its owner toward whatever they desire.". It will lead the user to the location that they want to go, to anything, anywhere, be it hidden or even in another world. It uses Spirit Magic to surmise what the user wishes for, Spatial Magic to ignore the distance between Hajime and the target to find it, and Evolution Magic to supply information about the target.
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  • Crystal Key: A key created using Concept Magic based on the concept of opening the door to the desired place. It opens a gate to the desired location using magic power in proportion with the connecting of the space.
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Both are things that not only counter Road ability but that she additionally is unable to stop or defend do to them be conceptual powers. I also additionally did a relatively long answer to why Hajime counter her skill set in general, you could see it if read the post above.
 
So what does he do to get past her dm? I'm not really sure if the compass and crystal is nlf here but assuming he can get into the dimension how does he deal with dm? And I know we're talking about him being able to get in the dimension but would he not be hit before finding out her true self is in another dimension?
 
Arkenis said:
So what does he do to get past her dm? I'm not really sure if the compass and crystal is nlf here but assuming he can get into the dimension how does he deal with dm? And I know we're talking about him being able to get in the dimension but would he not be hit before finding out her true self is in another dimension?
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I recommend you read my post above explaining this parts, because I explained that the compass and crystal key have not only the capability but also feats showing that they indeed can reach her, similarly I also explained how he can face the dark matter haxs and attacks.
 
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