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Hades can create a universe and destroy it in a thought I think Janemba can be killed with a thought manNot Jim Sterling said:
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Hades vs Janemba (Shin Budokai)
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energy manipulation? anyone?SSJRyu1 said:
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also in case you are forget, the description say: The limits of this attack are unknown.
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Yes we never get to see Hades' true limits
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while janemba we did see his limit, the limit of his hax was someone who is around his level.
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@Timothy: "Hades can create a universe and destroy it in a thought I think Janemba can be killed with a thought man"....no they're both 4D beings, neither can erase each other with a single thought. As far as i know, Hades can create/destroy the universe while Janemba reality warped countless of universe
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And get stomped by someone who doesn't have hax.DeezNuts1102 said:
and if he lost to someone who doesn't have hax, what can he do to someone who have plenty of hax in his arsenal?
if goku can kamehame him out of existence, then why hades cant?
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We are forgetting 2 things here-
1) The Super Dimension is like a weapon for Hades that he created and has its own powers, now anyone we are regarded as enemies of Hades or has no permission to enter or has no divine empowering from Athena or from the Olympian gods or has no divine cloth or has no big will-9th sense or has no divine cosmo, they will be disintegrated or torn apart by it's powers, you see; Hades can just throw Janemba into the Super Dimension and watch him be desintegrated or torn apart, because the powers in this Dimension bypasses or negates Regenerationn and other defense capabilities of the enemy who does not have any of the enhancement or protection I mentioned earlier.
2) The Sword of Hades is not just a regular sword, its a divine weapon that can hurt or causes injuries or damages Janemba. All Hades need to do is jam the sword into him and it will stop his power exertion causing him to be pretty much disarmed and helpless.
1) The Super Dimension is like a weapon for Hades that he created and has its own powers, now anyone we are regarded as enemies of Hades or has no permission to enter or has no divine empowering from Athena or from the Olympian gods or has no divine cloth or has no big will-9th sense or has no divine cosmo, they will be disintegrated or torn apart by it's powers, you see; Hades can just throw Janemba into the Super Dimension and watch him be desintegrated or torn apart, because the powers in this Dimension bypasses or negates Regenerationn and other defense capabilities of the enemy who does not have any of the enhancement or protection I mentioned earlier.
2) The Sword of Hades is not just a regular sword, its a divine weapon that can hurt or causes injuries or damages Janemba. All Hades need to do is jam the sword into him and it will stop his power exertion causing him to be pretty much disarmed and helpless.
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@Qpower: That' sounds like NLF, literally anyone is thrown into the dimension get disintegrated? aside from Janemba ,can hades throw Madoka Kaname into the super dimension and disintegrate her? or can he kill her with the sword?
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OH YEAH! I totally didn't think of that.QPower said:
It took mutilple saints with divine cloths and cosmos and athena's aswell and with her divine nike staff just be able to to stop Hades, in this case, Janemba can't beat him. and if janenmba has none of the stuff you talked about then janemba will not survive hades' dimension.
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lol Madoka is legic 2-A, what are you even talking about? also why you even mentioning char that doesn't even have anything to do in this battle?DeezNuts1102 said:
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@Jim: Ryu has explained that part, Gotenks ss3 is 2C in Shin budokai and Gogeta is vastly superior than gotenks. His hax is to purify/erase evil itself, Janemba is a 4D being who originally doesn't have a physical form but a noncorporeal state, he's the manifestation of evil itself, that's why gogeta was able to defeat him.
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And he still made from energy so hades can still manipulate him.Not Jim Sterling said:
Janemba is nigh omnipresent across timelines he's FTL+ otherwise and is over billions slower than himLejon123! said:
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Screw this, I'm constantly tired of doing this, it's absolutely going nowhere. I'm gonna wait for more opinions from others as well as the admins...
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Speed means nothing when Hades can know where Janemba will be if Janemba takes one step into the same universe that Hades just so happens to be in
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DeezNuts1102 said:
Well you cant counter my argument, so why you still insisting and then become so angry?
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yep, since he got defeated by gogeta.Lejon123! said:
Nope but it's not actual nigh omnipresence its across timelines even the dude who wrote Janembas profile said that Hades had better speed feats?Lejon123! said:
I asked Azathoth and he said Hades had much better speed feats ? Look aboveDeezNuts1102 said:
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@Jim: Who said i can't argue back? We could do this anytime bro, but i'd rather spend my times on other things instead. Like i said i want more solid opinions from others as well as the admins, then i will look everything thoroughly again.
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DeezNuts1102 said:
ok.
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@Shanks: he was comparing Janemba's physical form to Hades, not his true form. As a matter of fact, Janemba's speed is unknown, assuming it's only FTL+ is absurd since Shin Budokai is vastly superior than the movie. ANd Did he say Hades take this match? No.
K don't put words in my mouth bro I never said he did I mentioned combat speed only and he said that Hades had much better feats.Which is true even in his non corporeal state what good is it going to do to be able to appear in other timelines? Nothing and you guys actually claimed he could blitz Hades that way tf..?Anyways the foundation of your argument is speed while Hades is the faster oneDeezNuts1102 said:
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DeezNuts1102 said:
Just to remind you: assumption on someone speed is not equal to Real fact and legic trillions upon trillions of times faster than light.
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I think Janemba wins barely because he is faster and seems to have better durability though I am iffy about hades' durability being only universal+ other than that they are quiet equal.
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TISSG7Redgrave said:
faster in what? also hades attack is ignored normal durability.
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@Shanks: Sorry, i was out of temper. First i never said Janemba blitzing Hades, not even once. what i'm saying was Janemba's true form which exists everywhere makes him hard to kill plus his absurd hax: warping countless of universes simultaneously, BFR teen Gohan in the past from his dream into another timeline., i don't really think Hades can pull out feats that is better than that.
@Jim: i didn't assume anything, Shanks said Janemba was FTL+ which is baseless.
@Jim: i didn't assume anything, Shanks said Janemba was FTL+ which is baseless.
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Well sorry for that,DeezNuts1102 said:
Also the thing is all of janemba hax is suddenly gone when he fight against gogeta which is the strongest enemy he fight, he even need to pull all of his energy into his physical form, that must mean something, and something that you guys just ignore, jenamba dosent have any feat when he fight against someone who is around his level.
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It's fine bro no harm done.But that is all assuming Hades does not blitz and reality warp him,erase his existence,kill with a thought and absorb his energy,erase his memory at speeds over trillions of what Janemba can even react to?
It's fine bro no harm done.But that is all assuming Hades does not blitz and reality warp him,erase his existence,kill with a thought and absorb his energy,erase his memory at speeds over trillions of what Janemba can even react to?
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@Shanks: How powerful is Hades reality warping ability? As far as i know Janemba's reality warping is vastly superior. How can Hades kill Janemba with a thought, like a said 4D beings cannot kill each other with a thought unless one has proved to have greater reality manipulation power. otherwise you cannot erase Janemba's existence, he's everywhere. Even if somehow Hades managed to erase Janemba'evil energy in one universe, there are still others as well.
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DeezNuts1102 said:
And what can the other energy in other universe do to hades when janemba is powerless against Gogeta?
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@Jim: Gogeta in Shin budokai is way stronger than Gogeta in the movie, he stronger than a 2C being(gotenks) who warped multiple dimensions and erase Cell from their timeline from existence, what i mean by existence is he wasn't sent to Hell or Heaven, he just completely vanished. Are you still thinking Gogeta is weak? Gogeta is STRONGER than a 2C being(gotenks), i mean much stronger, he can rival Janemba in power or even exceed him.
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Pure power without hax is meaningless against hax like reality warping and time-space manipulation. also where is janemba omnipresent when he need it?DeezNuts1102 said:
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Not Jim Sterling said:
I am aware of that just hades is slower as his speed is still 3D not above it while Janemba is nigh-omnipresense which is beyond 3D and one full power attack from janemba seems to be enough to end hades but again idk if universal+ in durability is the correct one for hades.
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He only nigh-omnipresent in his Pure energy from, which he cant attack directly, and hades can manipulate energy.TISSG7Redgrave said:
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So apparently hades has Attack Reflection (Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has it's potency reverted to it's user), and he can't be truly killed unless you destroy his soul.
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Hades can create barriers that can negate enemies' powers by depowering and weakening them. Anyone without divine cloths or divine cosmo or empowerments will be affected. So Hades can create that barrier and make Janemba go near it and Janembe will be weakened and depowered.
Along with that, Hades can use his sword, where he can block out Janemba's powers aswell, pretty much leaving him powerless and defensless.
Along with that, Hades can use his sword, where he can block out Janemba's powers aswell, pretty much leaving him powerless and defensless.
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