Hades vs Janemba (Shin Budokai)

[Primaris_Brian]

And he will instantly put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight hades because he will know hades was too much for his energy form, and after that happen hedes will blitzes him.

There is no reason to believe he would do that, it would be illogical and put him at a disadvantage, logically he would hax hades away when non corporeal or just make a hades copy to kill each other and feed off hades energy the whole fight getting stronger while hades and his clone die. He is consistently shown to either try to hax people right away or make a clone of them to fight them, he does not just put all his energy in one spot till the very end of the game.

so why he does that to gogeta? which doesn't even have any hax?

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

To be honest I thinks its a STALEMATE. Hades still has his Big Will/9th Sense with his Divine Cosmo, so he can match Janemba blow for blow. It took Goddess Athena with her Divine Cosmo energy + Cosmo energy from other Divne Saints + Her Nike Staff to be able to seal off or beat Hades. Just when he is disapearing- his 3 dimensions (Elysion, Super Dimension, Underworld) started collapsing, his presence and divine cosmo held up 3 large sized DIFFERENT dimesions without even trying or flexing his power.

 

[SSJRyu1]

It's unfortunate but I agree. It is just getting repetitive. Looks like 4 for janemba, and 4 for hades, unless TLT1 or Deeznuts is leaning toward janemba, then he has 5 or 6 and wins.

 

[DeezNuts1102]

I'm actually in favor of janemba btw

 

[SSJRyu1]

OK then Janemba has more votes ftw.

Janemba 5: SSJRyu1, DeezNuts1102, TheMightyRegulator, Derpmaster9000, The real cal howard

Hades 4: Not Jim Sterling, Victor2, Shanks of the red haired pirates, QPower,

inconclusive 2: Dunamis&Ichor, The Living Tribunal1 (not sure if when you said Janemba has a edge in stats that meant you think he ahs a slight edge ftw or if you meant it was inconclusive still.)

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well hades can erasing thing from Existence and also have Energy Manipulation, so what can janemba do in energy form again?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

well hades can erasing thing from Existence and also have Energy Manipulation, so what can janemba do in energy form again?

Create clones, possess certain individuals, and cause warps in space-time. He can't directly "attack", though.

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

Votes are just votes so it doesnt really mean much, but I still think its either a stalemate or Hades wins at the very end.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Create clones, possess certain individuals, and cause warps in space-time. He can't directly "attack", though.

Quick question not to drag you into this but could you clarify who is the faster character in combat?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well hades can erasing thing from Existence and also have Energy Manipulation, so what can janemba do in energy form again?

Create clones, possess certain individuals, and cause warps in space-time. He can't directly "attack", though.

-Create clones, so what does vegito cloner to do gogeta? oh nothing, get absorb by janemba and still loses to gogeta.

-possess certain individuals, hades has mind manipulation does any of janemba possessed victim has that?

-and cause warps in space-time, gogeta?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Quick question not to drag you into this but could you clarify who is the faster character in combat?

We don't know SB Janemba's actual combat speed, but Hades has performed much better speed feats.

 

[VircaTheDestroyer]

Just wanted to chip in


I don't think Hades could be controlled by the evil factor, since Hades is more of a Neutral Being "All things must Die" sort without any malicious intent since he is a god and all. He's really more of an Antagonist but not necessarily "evil".


I think Hades got this despite the speed factor as well because Hades has the awareness of everything around him, knowing where Janemba will pop up for an attack.

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

Ah so its bascially this:

Janemba's Absorption + Space-Time Warp Vs Hades Divine Curse

Hades' Divine Curse wins.

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

To be honest I really like this thread/battle. Its fun to read!

 

[VircaTheDestroyer]

I know right


I love both series HARDCORE and yet I only know Janemba and Hades through video games lol

 

[SSJRyu1]

Just wanted to chip in


I don't think Hades could be controlled by the evil factor, since Hades is more of a Neutral Being "All things must Die" sort without any malicious intent since he is a god and all. He's really more of an Antagonist but not necessarily "evil".


I think Hades got this despite the speed factor as well because Hades has the awareness of everything around him, knowing where Janemba will pop up for an attack.

Hades wanted to kill other gods like Athena and mess with the natural order of things and has murdered many, he is certainly evil dude. Also he can still be sent to another time and timeline, absorbed or possessed and I don't think he ahs shown resistance to any of that or the ability to time travel back. And all that can be done without needing to ever manifest a body instantly. I mean I doubt he is immune to all those possibilities.

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

Yeah, What I like about this fight is that its NOT a curpstomp thread.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Ah so its bascially this:

Janemba's Absorption + Space-Time Warp Vs Hades Divine Curse

Hades' Divine Curse wins.

Janemba has no soul, he is just evil energy that never had a soul to start with, and when killed by a Kamehameha does not go to heaven or Hell showing further he has no soul. Hades divine curse attacks the soul, and since eh has no soul it can't effect him so it wouldn't work.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Just wanted to chip in


I don't think Hades could be controlled by the evil factor, since Hades is more of a Neutral Being "All things must Die" sort without any malicious intent since he is a god and all. He's really more of an Antagonist but not necessarily "evil".


I think Hades got this despite the speed factor as well because Hades has the awareness of everything around him, knowing where Janemba will pop up for an attack.

Hades wanted to kill other gods like Athena and mess with the natural order of things and has murdered many, he is certainly evil dude. Also he can still be sent to another time and timeline, absorbed or possessed and I don't think he ahs shown resistance to any of that or the ability to time travel back. And all that can be done without needing to ever manifest a body instantly. I mean I doubt he is immune to all those possibilities.

Are you still ignored about gogeta? And how he will absorb someone who can manipulate energy while himself was made from energy?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Ah so its bascially this:

Janemba's Absorption + Space-Time Warp Vs Hades Divine Curse

Hades' Divine Curse wins.

Janemba has no soul, he is just evil energy that never had a soul to start with, and when killed by a Kamehameha does not go to heaven or Hell showing further he has no soul. Hades divine curse attacks the soul, and since eh has no soul it can't effect him so it wouldn't work.

erasing things from Existence? energy manipulation to dude that was made from energy?

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Hades could just absorb Janemba since he is literally energy and is proven faster.

Half the voters claimed Janemba to be faster while that was false...

The thread is going nowhere but Hades remains the clear victor.

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

Hades could just absorb Janemba since he is literally energy and is proven faster.
Half the voters claimed Janemba to be faster while that was false...

The thread is going nowhere but Hades remains the clear victor.

I agree with you. Hades can just block Janemba's powers.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Hades could just absorb Janemba since he is literally energy and is proven faster.

Half the voters claimed Janemba to be faster while that was false...

The thread is going nowhere but Hades remains the clear victor.

energy manipulation as in shooting physical energy blasts and such, not manipulating evil supernatural non corporeal energy, especially on the scale Janemba is, Hades ahs never shown anything like that. Nigh omnipresent > mftl+ Hades is only likely faster than his body, his non corporeal form is still faster, and hades has no defence against absorption, possession or being time dumped bfr, especially since he is evil so it will be much more liekly to work on him, also Jaenmba can just make a clone of him and they would kill each other. So no.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hades could just absorb Janemba since he is literally energy and is proven faster.

Half the voters claimed Janemba to be faster while that was false...

The thread is going nowhere but Hades remains the clear victor.

energy manipulation as in shooting physical energy blasts and such, not manipulating evil supernatural non corporeal energy, especially on the scale Janemba is. Nigh omnipresent > mftl+ Hades is only likely faster than his body, his non corporeal form is still faster, and hades has no defence against absorption, possession or being time dumped bfr, especially since he is evil so it will be much more liekly to work on him, also Jaenmba can just make a clone of him and they would kill each other. So no.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Energy_Manipulation

Also:

-Create clones, so what does vegito clone to do gogeta? oh nothing, get absorb by janemba and still loses to gogeta.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

energy manipulation as in shooting physical energy blasts and such, not manipulating evil supernatural non corporeal energy, especially on the scale Janemba is. Nigh omnipresent > mftl+ Hades is only likely faster than his body, his non corporeal form is still faster, and hades has no defence against absorption, possession or being time dumped bfr, especially since he is evil so it will be much more liekly to work on him, also Jaenmba can just make a clone of him and they would kill each other. So no.

Dude the guy who wrote Janembas profile literally stated that Hades has better speed feats?

Big will/Dunamis allows you to manipulate energy at an atomic level and reality warp it into nothingness the Titans of Saint Seiya create universes like out of nothingness I searched it up.

So yeah he wins

 

[Dunamis&Ichor]

Ah so its bascially this:

Janemba's Absorption + Space-Time Warp Vs Hades Divine Curse

Hades' Divine Curse wins.

Janemba has no soul, he is just evil energy that never had a soul to start with, and when killed by a Kamehameha does not go to heaven or Hell showing further he has no soul. Hades divine curse attacks the soul, and since eh has no soul it can't effect him so it wouldn't work.

Sorry but Hades can block Janemba's powers and the sword itself can cause damages aswell. On top of all of that Hades has his armor that can protect him.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Dude the guy who wrote Janembas profile literally stated that Hades has better speed feats?

Big will/Dunamis allows you to manipulate energy at an atomic level and reality warp it into nothingness the Titans of Saint Seiya create universes like out of nothingness I searched it up.

So yeah he wins

He said combat speed as in with a corporeal body, he also stated he can absorb, posses and do time space manipulation in non corporeal form, all of which can beat hades instantly. Or just a copy of hades could to.

Has hades ever warped away a non corporeal energy over multiple timelines at once? No, there is no proof he can, but it won't matter since eh won't get a chance to try.

So no, I still don't think he does.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Sorry but Hades can block Janemba's powers and the sword itself can cause damages aswell. On top of all of that Hades has his armor that can protect him.

How is he going to block them? his divine curse has to cut a soul of the victim to take effect, as Janemba has no soul he cannot effect him with it. His sword can cause damage, but since Janemba can use his hax first he won't have a chance to try and use it on him, and even if he does he can't destroy all the evil energy over multiple timelines at once. His armour can't stop being absorbed or possessed or dumped into another time and timeline, also janemba can make a duplicate of hades to kill each other if need be.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Dude the guy who wrote Janembas profile literally stated that Hades has better speed feats?

Big will/Dunamis allows you to manipulate energy at an atomic level and reality warp it into nothingness the Titans of Saint Seiya create universes like out of nothingness I searched it up.

So yeah he wins

He said combat speed as in with a corporeal body, he also stated he can absorb, posses and do time space manipulation in non corporeal form, all of which can beat hades instantly. Or just a copy of hades could to.
Has hades ever warped away a non corporeal energy over multiple timelines at once? No, there is no proof he can, but it won't matter since eh won't get a chance to try.

So no, I still don't think he does.

And there are no proof janemba can use his hax to hades while he can use that to gogeta.

And Has janemba warped away a non corporeal energy over multiple timelines

help him against haxless gogeta? NO.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

He said combat speed as in with a corporeal body, he also stated he can absorb, posses and do time space manipulation in non corporeal form, all of which can beat hades instantly. Or just a copy of hades could to.

Has hades ever warped away a non corporeal energy over multiple timelines at once? No, there is no proof he can, but it won't matter since eh won't get a chance to try.

So no, I still don't think he does.

Does not even matter?

Janemba is in his physical state he does not have a key on his page for non corporeal form.

His energy and himself can be reverted to nothingness or his existence erased.

Hades is regularly leagues faster than him and wins he can't even spread them fake copies since Hades is blitzing him and wrecking.

 

[VircaTheDestroyer]

The Sword alone is enough to do crazy damage to a non-Divine being through BOTH body AND Soul


so the body is included. It is an ethereal wound, and if the body gets touched, that's all that's required.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Does not even matter?

Janemba is in his physical state he does not have a key on his page for non corporeal form.

His energy and himself can be reverted to nothingness or his existence erased.

Hades is regularly leagues faster than him and wins.

Janemba's true form is his non corporeal state, and I specify he is in that state in the beginning of the thread, so no, it won't matter.

Hades has never showed the ability to erase a multi universal scale non corporeal energy, never, and also Janemba was completely unharmed by GOtenks who could warp dimensions to erase Cell so it is even less likely he can do that to Janemba, who btw has time, space and reality warping of his own to counter that as well on top of everything else.

Finally , and I can't stress this enough, Hades won't have an opportunity to do anything, he will be absorbed, possessed, time dump bfr or have to fight a duplicate of himself to the death before he can act.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well hades can erasing thing from Existence and also have Energy Manipulation, so what can janemba do in energy form again?

Create clones, possess certain individuals, and cause warps in space-time. He can't directly "attack", though.

-Create clones, so what does vegito cloner to do gogeta? oh nothing, get absorb by janemba and still loses to gogeta.
-possess certain individuals, hades has mind manipulation does any of janemba possessed victim has that?

-and cause warps in space-time, gogeta?

^Just to remind you.


And Seriously what proof janemba can use his hax to opponent that is around his level?

 

[SSJRyu1]

The Sword alone is enough to do crazy damage to a non-Divine being through BOTH body AND Soul


so the body is included. It is an ethereal wound, and if the body gets touched, that's all that's required.

Nah dude the curse is on the soul only, the only body damage is what is done immediately. ethereal is soul. And look under the swords profile, it specifies that it is due to effecting the soul specifically.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

all shall instantly die and know the eternal, silent peace of non-existence?

so how janemba will still exist?

 

[VircaTheDestroyer]

Does not even matter?

Janemba is in his physical state he does not have a key on his page for non corporeal form.

His energy and himself can be reverted to nothingness or his existence erased.

Hades is regularly leagues faster than him and wins.

Janemba's true form is his non corporeal state, and I specify he is in that state in the beginning of the thread, so no, it won't matter.
Hades has never showed the ability to erase a multi universal scale non corporeal energy, never, and also Janemba was completely unharmed by GOtenks who could warp dimensions to erase Cell so it is even less likely he can do that to Janemba, who btw has time, space and reality warping of his own to counter that as well on top of everything else.

Finally , and I can't stress this enough, Hades won't have an opportunity to do anything, he will be absorbed, possessed, time dump bfr or have to fight a duplicate of himself to the death before he can act.

No one has brought it up I believe but I think Lost Canvas alone could wipe Janemba

 

[SSJRyu1]

Anyway, ive said my piece, this is just getting repetitive now again tbh so i'm gonna log off for now and check later to see if anything new has been said. I stand by Janemba winning due to the reasons i've stated since my opening post.

 

[VircaTheDestroyer]

The Sword alone is enough to do crazy damage to a non-Divine being through BOTH body AND Soul


so the body is included. It is an ethereal wound, and if the body gets touched, that's all that's required.

Nah dude the curse is on the soul only, the only body damage is what is done immediately. ethereal is soul. And look under the swords profile, it specifies that it is due to effecting the soul specifically.

I got the Body AND Soul bit FROM the profile of the sword

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Anyway, ive said my piece, this is just getting repetitive now again tbh so i'm gonna log off for now and check later to see if anything new has been said. I stand by Janemba winning due to the reasons i've stated since my opening post.

Great, you just ignored me.

 

[SSJRyu1]

I got the Body AND Soul bit FROM the profile of the sword

It states it can cut body and soul, but the curse is due to the cosmos burning in their soul causing the effects, without a soul that can't happen.