Hades vs Janemba (Shin Budokai)

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

^Just like Janemba physical body being FTL+ or whatever. And at least he doesn't need to spread himself and him not existing in space-time seems off to me?

 

[SSJRyu1]

^Just like Janemba physical body being FTL+ or whatever. And at least he doesn't need to spread himself and him not existing in space-time seems off to me?

Janemba does not need a physical body to enact hax, he can and has possessed others, time dump bfr them, absorb them, and made clones of them all in non corporeal form. So that is irrelevant.

He is warping all space and time as evil energy in multiple timelines. Solaris just exists in all time and has a physical body in small parts of space.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Still doesn't change the fact Solaris body is what is ftl, and he only exists across time, not space and time like Janemba does in the timelines.

Stop using outliers to argue your points and you're beginning to go off-topic...

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Don't quote it'll only make the thread unnecessarily longer. Janembas profile says spreading himself across timelines even in his non corporeal state the spreading is needed going by that.He"s slower regardless of physical or not.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^Just like Janemba physical body being FTL+ or whatever. And at least he doesn't need to spread himself and him not existing in space-time seems off to me?

Janemba does not need a physical body to enact hax, he can and has possessed others, time dump bfr them, absorb them, and made clones of them all in non corporeal form. So that is irrelevant.
He is warping all space and time as evil energy in multiple timelines. Solaris just exists in all time and has a physical body in small parts of space.

yet he still need to cancel all his hax and use all his energy to one single body when he fight gogeta?

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Off topic?

You guys claimed he was blitzing a dude who is over trillions faster than him because he can spread himself across timelines?

I'm just trying to get some actual reasoning because is just borderline laughable...

 

[SSJRyu1]

Don't quote it'll only make the thread unnecessarily longer. Janembas profile says spreading himself across timelines even in his non corporeal state the spreading is needed going by that.He"s slower regardless of physical or not.

He had to in the past, as a 2C being he already has done so, we aren't using his weakest form when he was only just born, that is why he is across multiple timelines and 2C as this is his peak.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Er, yes. Mentioning a character of the sonic the hedgehog franchise is off topic and I don't believe I was referring to you.

 

[SSJRyu1]

yet he still need to cancel all his hax and use all his energy to one single body when he fight gogeta?

Gogeta is vastly more powerful in the game, he is easily 2C at least scaling from Gotenks, he can't be compared to the one in the movie, also it is PIS that Janemba did that, as it is a stupid move and logically he could have used his hax to win. Also Gogeta has the power to purify energy, so his natural abilities were suited just for that battle to. Not to mention janemba survives and Goku and Vegeta have to do a combined Kamehameha to finish him off after Gogeta unfuses.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

I mentioned him first so I assumed you were.I apologize then.And I used him as an example.

@SSJRyu1

Now you're basically implying he had prep because you can't accept the fact that he's getting blitzed really dude? Naruto used clones throughout the shinobi alliance are we to assume in that form the clones are already formed ?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

yet he still need to cancel all his hax and use all his energy to one single body when he fight gogeta?

Gogeta is vastly more powerful in the game, he is easily 2C at least scaling from Gotenks, he can't be compared to the one in the movie, also it is PIS that Janemba did that, as it is a stupid move and logically he could have used his hax to win. Also Gogeta has the power to purify energy, so his natural abilities were suited just for that battle to. Not to mention janemba survives and Goku and Vegeta have to do a combined Kamehameha to finish him off after Gogeta unfuses.

well you the one who say 'PIS does not apply in debates' so now you use PIS as argument?

also I believe energy that counter evil energy has nothing to do with hax like reality warping and time-space manipulation since those hax was ignoring conventional durability and attack.

 

[SSJRyu1]

I mentioned him first so I assumed you were.I apologize then.And I used him as an example.

@SSJRyu1

Now you're basically implying he had prep because you can't accept the fact that he's getting blitzed really dude? Naruto used clones throughout the shinobi alliance are we to assume in that form the clones are already formed ?

I am doing no such thing, his profile lists him as 2C form and and his stats are all placed at his peak, he has the nigh omnipresent stat for a reason, as he is across all the timelines at his peak already, I am not giving him prep I am giving him his full power, you saying he has prep is like saying you can't use SSJGSSJ Goku since he had to train to get to that power. Fact is this is his peak, 2C self, not a weaker version.

Just go by his profile stats man, ignoring them causes nothing but confusion, the stats are there as guidelines for how you should consider the character.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

I'm not ignoring stats you simply can't refute the fact that his nigh omnipresence is dependent on the fact that he needs to spread himself.

It's literally stated besides the nigh omnipresence.

Spreading himself is what gives him that speed and that's only to other timelines at that which forms impostor versions of him the true one was in hell.

So again he's slower than Hades

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@Shanks: ^ just like Ryu said. Stick with the character's profile. If you have problems like i said before. GO and make a thread regarding janemba should be downgrade or not, inform the Admins about it. As far as i know, An ADMIN created this page.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@DeezNuts1102

I did read my comments carefully I literally told him what was stated on the page.

 

[SSJRyu1]

well you the one who say 'PIS does not apply in debates' so now you use PIS as argument?

also I believe energy that counter evil energy has nothing to do with hax like reality warping and time-space manipulation since those hax was ignoring conventional durability and attack.

PIS doesn't apply to the debate characters for their battle, PIS exists in the actual games and is a reason sometimes characters lose to opponents they logically shouldn't lose to.

I don't follow why that matters, it's PIS that Gogeta won, based on hax he logically would not have.

But this is getting off topic, it is irrelevant about Gogeta, janemba powers are to be taken as they are stated in his profile, so since he is nigh omnipresent and capable of utilizing his many hax he should blitz and win.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well you the one who say 'PIS does not apply in debates' so now you use PIS as argument?

also I believe energy that counter evil energy has nothing to do with hax like reality warping and time-space manipulation since those hax was ignoring conventional durability and attack.

PIS doesn't apply to the debate characters for their battle, PIS exists in the actual games and is a reason sometimes characters lose to opponents they logically shouldn't lose to.
I don't follow why that matters, it's PIS that Gogeta won, based on hax he logically would not have.

But this is getting off topic, it is irrelevant about Gogeta, janemba powers are to be taken as they are stated in his profile, so since he is nigh omnipresent and capable of utilizing his many hax he should blitz and win.

Well the thing is janemba have never show any feat to use his hax against someone in his level so there are possibility that his hax only work on someone that is weaker than himself.

 

[SSJRyu1]

@DeezNuts1102

I did read my comments carefully I literally told him what was stated on the page.

I already explained all this to you, if you have an issue with the profile make a thread, it states it spread out, in the past, at this point in his peak it is already spread.

Either make a thread if you wanna have his speed changed or accept the stats if you choose to continue to comment here, and his current stats are as nigh omnipresent which is above mftl+, so please refrain from saying hades blitz anymore when the chosen stats say the reverse.

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@Shanks: Hades can blitz a being who exists across multiple timelines and reality warp all of them simultaneously? Oh hell no, Hades is 4D being with MFTL+, while janemba is a 4D being who exists everywhere across timeline. i doubt Hades can go to every timeline and kill janemba. this is preposterous. Another case Madoka Kaname is also nighomnipresent, she was spreading herself across multiverse same as janemba.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^Just like Janemba physical body being FTL+ or whatever. And at least he doesn't need to spread himself and him not existing in space-time seems off to me?

Janemba does not need a physical body to enact hax, he can and has possessed others, time dump bfr them, absorb them, and made clones of them all in non corporeal form. So that is irrelevant.
He is warping all space and time as evil energy in multiple timelines. Solaris just exists in all time and has a physical body in small parts of space.

yet he still need to cancel all his hax and use all his energy to one single body when he fight gogeta?

^ yes he can.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@SSJRyu1

I went by the current profile and game which stated he spread himself and I saw myself that he created impostors of himself.

Regardless how is him spreading himself which he can't do since his opponent is literally over trillions faster than him going to accomplish?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@DezzNuts1102

Janemba is FTL+ and only nigh omnipresent once he spreads himself in other timelines amd not the current one he's not a true nigh omnipresent character sorry just via his energy existing in other timelines once he spreads himself.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Well the thing is janemba have never show any feat to use his hax against someone in his level so there are possibility that his hax only work on someone that is weaker than himself.

He does use his hax on guys that powerful, the z fighters are 2C level in the game, GOtenks can warp multiple dimensions at once to erase Cell from the timeline but can't even scratch a weaker Janemba with repeated attacks, and Janemba controls, duplicates and manipulates guys as powerful as that and even stronger, and he uses his hax over multiple timelines all simultaneously, so we know he has the ability to do that. Unless Hades ahs shown specific resistance to all his hax they will work. Especially since the more evil somebody is the easier it is for Janemba to manipulate them and he feeds off their evil and gets stronger as he is evil energy incarnate.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Well the thing is janemba have never show any feat to use his hax against someone in his level so there are possibility that his hax only work on someone that is weaker than himself.

He does use his hax on guys that powerful, the z fighters are 2C level in the game, GOtenks can warp multiple dimensions at once to erase Cell from the timeline but can't even scratch a weaker Janemba with repeated attacks, and Janemba controls, duplicates and manipulates guys as powerful as that and even stronger, and he uses his hax over multiple timelines all simultaneously, so we know he has the ability to do that. Unless Hades ahs shown specific resistance to all his hax they will work. Especially since the more evil somebody is the easier it is for Janemba to manipulate them and he feeds off their evil and gets stronger as he is evil energy incarnate.

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

So Gotenks is suddenly is around his level? also was janemba was show any resistance to all hedes hax?

 

[QPower]

Hades wins this!

The Divine Curse is enough!, It can block the powers and life-force of the enemy. That in itself is good enough to win it.

Janemba will have his powers and life-force blocked and put into a coma and even if it doesn't kill him he will STAY in that coma and loses the fight.

I played the game aswell BTW.

 

[DeezNuts1102]

^what?.....

 

[SSJRyu1]

@SSJRyu1

I went by the current profile and game which stated he spread himself and I saw myself that he created impostors of himself.

Regardless how is him spreading himself which he can't do since his opponent is literally over trillions faster than him going to accomplish?

Alright, your stance ahs been noted, but you clearly can't follow the stats given on the profile and use what the mods decided on for his stats so I'm just going to kindly ask you to stop commenting at this point on the thread unless you can accept he is faster and able to use his hax in non corporeal form like his stats and profile indicate, and since even me as the OP has confirmed that he is indeed in his 2C state across multiple timelines to start with, as you are blowing it up with repeating the same thing over and over and ignoring his given stats.

 

[SSJRyu1]

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

Well most of it anyway, however Hades hasn't been shown to be immune to all his other hax, and his speed is superior to Hades in non corporeal form, so I doubt it would come down to that since he would use his hax on hades first, but if it did the copy of Hades and Hades would kill each other while he gains power from Hades evil energy the whole battle. So even in that scenario he would likely win.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

The problem there is that's it's false and he is not faster than him in reality.

His energy exists in other timelines

Through it can manifest fake versions of himself.

And existing across other timelines doesn't account for the current timeline in whic case his movement speed remains FTL+ or slightly higher.

Hades blitzes him into nonexistence I've refuted it all.But sure..

 

[Primaris_Brian]

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

Well most of it anyway, however Hades hasn't been shown to be immune to all his other hax, and his speed is superior to Hades in non corporeal form, so I doubt it would come down to that since he would use his hax on hades first, but if it did the copy of Hades and Hades would kill each other while he gains power from Hades evil energy the whole battle. So even in that scenario he would likely win.

And he will instantly put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight hades because he will know hades was too much for his energy form, and after that happen hedes will blitzes him.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Hades wins this!

The Divine Curse is enough!, It can block the powers and life-force of the enemy. That in itself is good enough to win it.

Janemba will have his powers and life-force blocked and put into a coma and even if it doesn't kill him he will STAY in that coma and loses the fight.

I played the game aswell BTW.

Janemba has no soul, he is just evil energy and does not go to heaven or hell when killed by Goku and Vegeta's combined Kamehameha. Divine curse relies on attacking the soul, thus since eh has none it will not work.

Also Janemba is nigh omnipresent, Hades will get blitzed by absorption, possession, time dump BFR or a clone of hades that he will have to fight to the death while Janemba feeds of his negative energy.

 

[Victor2]

this is going nowhere

all i`m reading is repetitive arguments.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hades wins this!

The Divine Curse is enough!, It can block the powers and life-force of the enemy. That in itself is good enough to win it.

Janemba will have his powers and life-force blocked and put into a coma and even if it doesn't kill him he will STAY in that coma and loses the fight.

I played the game aswell BTW.

Janemba has no soul, he is just evil energy and does not go to heaven or hell when killed by Goku and Vegeta's combined Kamehameha. Divine curse relies on attacking the soul, thus since eh has none it will not work.
Also Janemba is nigh omnipresent, Hades will get blitzed by absorption, possession, time dump BFR or a clone of hades that he will have to fight to the death while Janemba feeds of his negative energy.

And none of that happen when he fight against gogeta?

 

[SSJRyu1]

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

So Gotenks is suddenly is around his level? also was janemba was show any resistance to all hedes hax?

Not really, he fought Gogeta earlier on without doing that, only the last time he does it, he can choose how much he puts in.

Gotenks is 2C, which is his tier, janemba is a higher level of 2C. He can duplicate 2C guys. He has no soul so hades divine curse and many other moves that attack the soul won't work, also he has time space and reality warping so hades skills in that regard would be canceled by his own. But that doesn't really matter much since Janemba is faster, so Hades won't get a chance to use anything, Janemba would instantly absorb him, posses him, dump him in another time and timeline or make a copy of him to fight for him or something like that. The speed advantage is a huge leg up for Janemba. Also he exists across multiple timelines so it is unlikely Hades could even destroy him across multiple timelines at once, especially when Janemba has no soul to attack.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

this is going nowhere

all i`m reading is repetitive arguments.

Agreed. I'm locking this thread.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

so inconclusive overall?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Unfortunately so.

 

[SSJRyu1]

And he will instantly put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight hades because he will know hades was too much for his energy form, and after that happen hedes will blitzes him.

There is no reason to believe he would do that, it would be illogical and put him at a disadvantage, logically he would hax hades away when non corporeal or just make a hades copy to kill each other and feed off hades energy the whole fight getting stronger while hades and his clone die. He is consistently shown to either try to hax people right away or make a clone of them to fight them, he does not just put all his energy in one spot till the very end of the game.

Gogeta is irrelevant to him, that battle is PIS anyway since Janemba makes himself vulnerable by putting all his energy in one spot and not using his hax on him.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

He need to put all of his energy into his manifested bodies when he fight agains someone who around his level.

So Gotenks is suddenly is around his level? also was janemba was show any resistance to all hedes hax?

Not really, he fought Gogeta earlier on without doing that, only the last time he does it, he can choose how much he puts in.
Gotenks is 2C, which is his tier, janemba is a higher level of 2C. He can duplicate 2C guys. He has no soul so hades divine curse and many other moves that attack the soul won't work, also he has time space and reality warping so hades skills in that regard would be canceled by his own. But that doesn't really matter much since Janemba is faster, so Hades won't get a chance to use anything, Janemba would instantly absorb him, posses him, dump him in another time and timeline or make a copy of him to fight for him or something like that. The speed advantage is a huge leg up for Janemba. Also he exists across multiple timelines so it is unlikely Hades could even destroy him across multiple timelines at once, especially when Janemba has no soul to attack.

well goku and vegeta power is purify evil so they can just pretty completely destroy janemba in that process, so that dosent mean he dosent have soul, and still janemba hax has no feat when fighting against someone around his level, and there are no prof gotenks is as strong as hades, same level does not always necessarily mean equal.