Hades vs Janemba (Shin Budokai)

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

so... is your answer janemba overall or hades?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Janemba.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

...You're not the only one..

^This is pointless.

He asked and I answered but my bad I guess that being said you do realize Janembas incorporeal state is purple clouds that float which Gogeta ignored?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I also realize that Janemba was shown to be able to BFR and reality warp in his non-corpeal form. Hades' incapitation is inevitable.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Who did he BFR in that state? And he was warping space and time while he already solidified so no.

 

[Victor2]

...You're not the only one..

^This is pointless.

i asked if anybody else noticed how much dbz characters are getting wanked lately against lots of character with better feats. this isn`t trolling

 

[Victor2]

I also realize that Janemba was shown to be able to BFR and reality warp in his non-corpeal form. Hades' incapitation is inevitable.

bfr someone whom literally ***** with reality and creates universes? yea....No. mind you people like Ikki and shaka travels across cracks of time and dimensions. that being said hades erases every last bit of his evil energy.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

...You're not the only one..
^This is pointless.

i asked if anybody else noticed how much dbz characters are getting wanked lately against lots of character with better feats. this isn`t trolling

This is a random, unsolicited remark irrelevant to the thread (as I have yet to see any wanking) and controversial with the possibility of arousing arguments of protesting fans. That is indeed trolling. As for your points regarding this match up, okay.

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@Victor and @Shanks: NO, dbz isn't getting wanked, that's just your imagination . Anyway we never create wanked profiles for dbz matters since it's already in the wiki rules. Azazoth created Demigra's page and janemba(shin budokai)'s page as well, Even he's an admin, he still needs permission and opinions from other admins and bureaucrats in order to finish the profile. If you have problems then play the game yourself and make a complain thread about it, please refrain from downplaying the character. judging from how you guys are downplaying and derailing the thread even though his stats are clearly higher than Hades, obviously haters or downplayers.

You know what is getting wanked? Saitama big bang force, Kaguya's universal creator, Ywach omnipotent.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@Victor and @Shanks: NO, dbz isn't getting wanked, that's just your imagination . Anyway we never create wanked profiles for dbz matters since it's already in the wiki rules. Azazoth created Demigra's page and janemba(shin budokai)'s page as well, Even he's an admin, he still needs permission and opinions from other admins and bureaucrats in order to finish the profile. If you have problems then play the game yourself and make a complain thread about it, please refrain from downplaying the character. judging from how you guys are downplaying and derailing the thread even though his stats are clearly higher than Hades, obviously haters or downplayers.

You know what is getting wanked? Saitama big bang force, Kaguya's universal creator, Ywach omnipotent.

All true except the Higher stats of Janemba part.Hades is solid 2-C while Janemba is likely 2-C.He did not BFR no one I know of and his nigh omnipresence is in purple cloud form in which case he creates " impostor. " versions of himself I just want actual evidence tbh if provided this would've ended way sooner

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

^My point exactly. Drop it all of you, or I'll be forced to close the thread, which I don't want to do.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

If no one can refute with actual evidence and not balderdash they can't prove then I see no reason to continue debating..

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

I checked and even played the game in the past so I've got my fair share of info on it.Janemba being likely higher is a given but the rest of the claims done here were ridiculous he creates clones referred to as impostors and did not BFR anyone I've seen at least.The arguments provided are just invalid that's all.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

There are only 12 universe in dbz, he has total control over time/space and countess of universes and can't beat gogeta who doesn't have any of that?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

There are only 12 universe in dbz, he has total control over time/space and countess of universes and can't beat gogeta who doesn't have any of that?

thats only in canon db

SB db has "countless" universes

 

[Primaris_Brian]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

There are only 12 universe in dbz, he has total control over time/space and countess of universes and can't beat gogeta who doesn't have any of that?

thats only in canon db
SB db has "countless" universes

countless can be either many like 10,11, to infinity so there are no real prof that he is higher than 2C.

 

[Victor2]

@Victor and @Shanks: NO, dbz isn't getting wanked, that's just your imagination . Anyway we never create wanked profiles for dbz matters since it's already in the wiki rules. Azazoth created Demigra's page and janemba(shin budokai)'s page as well, Even he's an admin, he still needs permission and opinions from other admins and bureaucrats in order to finish the profile. If you have problems then play the game yourself and make a complain thread about it, please refrain from downplaying the character. judging from how you guys are downplaying and derailing the thread even though his stats are clearly higher than Hades, obviously haters or downplayers.
You know what is getting wanked? Saitama big bang force, Kaguya's universal creator, Ywach omnipotent.

no one here is downplaying db characters tbh. i just hate when peeps keeps repeat something hades showen resistence to it. so it kinda makes it wanking from my view.

all that aside, my point stands, hades can erase energy, can fight astral beings, can destroys soul to its very core, his higher than 4D dimensional being (athena) and created infinite universes, has total controll over his own realm, cosmic awarness etc

 

[Victor2]

i wanna know how janmeba will resiste being erases from all of existence

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@Not jim: the 12 universes don't exist in Shin budokai, and janemba was affecting countless of alternate universes. And he was defeated by Gogeta due to PIS, and remember Gogeta(shin) is stronger than his movie countpart

 

[DeezNuts1102]

@Victor: Are you saying that Hade created infinite universes?

 

[Victor2]

@Victor: Are you saying that Hade created infinite universes?

no, however he did creat an universe which are infinite

 

[Promestein]

Stay on topic and stop derailing the thread with nonsense and downplaying, or it will be closed.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

oh im sorry.

 

[Victor2]

Stay on topic and stop derailing the thread with nonsense and downplaying, or it will be closed.

its Dbz VS thread. how can you not excpect downplaying O_O

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

There are only 12 universe in dbz, he has total control over time/space and countess of universes and can't beat gogeta who doesn't have any of that?

thats only in canon db
SB db has "countless" universes

countless can be either many like 10,11, to infinity so there are no real prof that he is higher than 2C.

10 or 11 are countless

are you kidding me?

what are you a kindergartener?

countless means a legit regular number of universes (saying its a few thousand OR infinity both require proof)

 

[SSJRyu1]

Then janemba will got defeated by hades due to PIS.
seriously if he got defeated by someone who doesn't have any hax then why you guys take him seriously?

PIS does not apply in debates. And he only lost since the characters in shin budokai are vastly more powerful than the canon counterparts, and PIS as well, even Gotenks can warp multiple dimensions and erase Cell from the timeline which is 2C level, yet he can't even scratch Janemba, so you can't base him off of the canon versions, go by the powers listed on his profile, and base don those he is nigh omnipresent and can time dump bfr, absorb or Posses Hades before he can act, or even make a copy of Hades to kill each other while he absorbs there evil energy and gets stronger the whole time. Also as Janemba has no soul, so Hades best attacks like divine curse won't even effect him.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Then janemba will got defeated by hades due to PIS.
seriously if he got defeated by someone who doesn't have any hax then why you guys take him seriously?

PIS does not apply in debates. And he only lost since the characters in shin budokai are vastly more powerful than the canon counterparts, and PIS as well, even Gotenks can warp multiple dimensions and erase Cell from the timeline which is 2C level, yet he can't even scratch Janemba, so you can't base him off of the canon versions, go by the powers listed on his profile, and base don those he is nigh omnipresent and can time dump bfr, absorb or Posses Hades before he can act, or even make a copy of Hades to kill each other while he absorbs there evil energy and gets stronger the whole time. Also as Janemba has no soul, so Hades best attacks like divine curse won't even effect him.

well im not the one who started this "PIS" argument so?
but still it can be janemba hax basically just not going to work against someone who is around his power because he doesn't use any of that when he fight against gogeta.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Janemba is again nigh omnipresent across timelines although I don't believe he actually is for this threads sake we'll just go by stats .

Solaris is also omnipresent across time he's still FTL in combat in which case Janemba is FTL+ and way slower than Hades the argument he blitzes him is invalidated .

How is Janemba not getting blitzed is the issue here?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

@shanks: I think you should go to Ryuu's blog regarding janemba's profile creation. the whole conversation is there, and from the start, people agreed to put janemba as 2A though it's better not to regard him as 2A but instead "possibly higher" because he has total control over time/space and countless of universes, he could either be 2B or 2A. Who knows

There are only 12 universe in dbz, he has total control over time/space and countess of universes and can't beat gogeta who doesn't have any of that?

thats only in canon db
SB db has "countless" universes

countless can be either many like 10,11, to infinity so there are no real prof that he is higher than 2C.

10 or 11 are countless
are you kidding me?

what are you a kindergartener?

countless means a legit regular number of universes (saying its a few thousand OR infinity both require proof)

ok my bad, but either way because 'saying its a few thousand OR infinity both require proof' and there are no real prof so I dont think he can be considered higher than 2C.

 

[Victor2]

from what im` getting from both sides, is that janemba`s omnipresent varies much. if he manages to send his evil energy across multiple timelines then he would be omnipresent across multiple timelines if not than he is not omnipresent, for example. so it`s more like with prep he is omnipresent.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

ok my bad, but either way because 'saying its a few thousand OR infinity both require proof' and there are no real prof so I dont think he can be considered higher than 2C.

ok first of all, countless means an undending set

and overall, a multiverse of 100 universes is very small, and is stated to be that small

meanwwhile a multiverse of infinite univeerses is very big and is not assumed untill stated to be that big

on the other hand, the multiverse as stated to be countless would be assumed as a regular one, the case of janemba on the other hand was whether he could affect them all or not

and in this case, it was decided that 2-C would be used as a humble estimation

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Well are any Janemba supporters going to refute the fact that he appears across timelines and is slower in reality?

 

[SSJRyu1]

well im not the one who started this "PIS" argument so?
but still it can be janemba hax basically just not going to work against someone who is around his power because he doesn't use any of that when he fight against gogeta.

Unless Hades has proof of him being resistant to the hax they will work, and eh doesn't have proof of being able to time travel, resist being absorbed or possessed to my knowledge. Also again Janemba can just make a duplicate of Hades and Hades best moves won't even work since Janemba has no soul and they attack the soul.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Sorry but you're not tagging someone who exists across timelines. The Solaris battle is regarded as an outlier.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Janemba is again nigh omnipresent across timelines although I don't believe he actually is for this threads sake we'll just go by stats .

Solaris is also omnipresent across time he's still FTL in combat in which case Janemba is FTL+ and way slower than Hades the argument he blitzes him is invalidated .

How is Janemba not getting blitzed is the issue here?

Time and timelines are different. Time is the time dimension of one universe, timelines are full time space of universes. So not the same thing. Also it is Solaris body that is that speed, we are talking about non corporeal nigh omnipresent being. That is certainly above mftl+. So Hades is outclassed in speed here, he can't beat instant speed. And please don't start trying to ignore Janemba's speed stat as an excuse again.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Sorry but you're not tagging someone who exists across timelines. The Solaris battle is regarded as an outlier.

He doesn't actually lol

1.He needs to spread himself read his profile.

2.His actual speed is FTL+ to MFTL at best in which case he is over trillions slower than Hades cannot spread himself and cannot hope to win

Janemba winning is nonexistent

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

@SSJRyu1

Fail Bruh Solaris exists in all timelines and doesn't need to spread himself

 

[SSJRyu1]

from what im` getting from both sides, is that janemba`s omnipresent varies much. if he manages to send his evil energy across multiple timelines then he would be omnipresent across multiple timelines if not than he is not omnipresent, for example. so it`s more like with prep he is omnipresent.

Well his 2C self is his minimum peak, and already across all the said timelines, so that is the version listed here. So for the purpose of a debate he is across multiple timelines to start with.

 

[SSJRyu1]

@SSJRyu1

Fail Bruh Solaris exists in all timelines and doesn't need to spread himself

Still doesn't change the fact Solaris body is what is ftl, and he only exists across time, not space and time like Janemba does in the timelines.