HA DIO tries to get 4th High 8-C

[StrymULTRA]

Post-Absorbption HA DIO vs Mystic Energy Grimmon

Speed =

DIO:

Grimmon:

Incon:

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What does DIO start with?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What does DIO start with?

Time Stop, which bypasses Infinite Speed and Resistance to Baseline Time Stop (followed from one of the next if used 1st)

Or

Reality Warping (which is a potency layer above baseline), which is used for either Type 3 corruption, Soul Absorption or EE

Or

2-A ranged BFR

All of them thought-based

 

[The_Pink_God]

What does Grmmon starts with?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Time Stop is dangerous as I don't think we scale a Tamer owned Clockmon to this Clockmon who can Timehax Immeasurables.

Corruption Type 3 needs more info. Is it mental? If so, it's hard resisted. Soul Absorption is resisted. EE could technically fit under Time Erasure which fits under his Time hax resistance. Also, due to Holy Power, abilities like EE and Corruption would possibly be resisted due to Holy Power granting resistance to abilities under Darkside Power.

This is covered in Digimon Physiology: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Digimon_Physiology#Holy_Power

BFR is dangerous and it looks like Dimensional Travel is missing from Grimmon's profile. However I can show Grimmon's Dimensional Travel if need be. Fact is that Grimmon can travel all throughout the Digital World so 2-A BFR shouldn't really do much.

EDIT: Grimmon has his Portal Creation on the file so there is that.

Grimmon's starting move is either thought based mind hax or Chrono DSR. Chrono DSR being a move that even Digimon equal to him in speed to him cannot dodge so it might be too fast for DIO to dodge even with speed equal. It is also released via a thought.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Corruption Type 3 needs more info. Is it mental? If so, it's hard resisted. Soul Absorption is resisted. EE could technically fit under Time Erasure which fits under his Time hax resistance. Also, due to Holy Power, abilities like EE and Corruption would possibly be resisted due to Holy Power granting resistance to abilities under Darkside Power.

Issue: these powers as already explained in other threads aren't really the "real ones", but a mere subset of Reality Warping. Resisting "regular EE" against DIO is useless since that's not really EE but Reality Warping, so resistance against the latter (which I remind that should be above baseline resistance) is required instead of the actual resistances against these powers.

Corruption is mental btw yeah.

Grimmon's starting move is either thought based mind hax or Chrono DSR. Chrono DSR being a move that even Digimon equal to him in speed to him cannot dodge so it might be too fast for DIO to dodge even with speed equal. It is also released via a thought.

Can't Dio's RW-based Power Null do something? It could null RtZ, an automatically power of the same activation speed which nulled on its own an universal ranged time ability, mind you.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is that how we treat stuff like that? Hm...I don't remember us doing that at all. RW or not, if the Soul is beyond his paygrade (5-D in this case) show me him absorbing a 5-D soul.

Anyway, has DIO ever nulled a 5-D ability before? Also, has DIO affected someone with NEP before?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is that how we treat stuff like that?

Yep, they're correlated to the RW and even in the game these powers are attributed to just the Reality Warping powers.

RW or not, if the Soul is beyond his paygrade (5-D in this case) show me him absorbing a 5-D soul.

Anyway, has DIO ever nulled a 5-D ability before? Also, has DIO affected someone with NEP before?

Well shit, seems a stomp against DIO then. Close this if you wish to

 

[manu_zarri]

Soul Absorption is resisted. EE could technically fit under Time Erasure which fits under his Time hax resistance. Also, due to Holy Power, abilities like EE and Corruption would possibly be resisted due to Holy Power granting resistance to abilities under Darkside Power.

Soul absorption of Dio is 36 + 1 or Countless souls

and HA Dio EE FV from Infinite worlds, and agruable, time. btw only temporal errasure won't be enough for resist EE

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Btw, my question about NEP is irrelevant to Grimmon in particular but Dracmon who DIO would have to fight after Grimmon if he won. Also, seems more incon as it is a who shoots first scenario. Neither resists the other's starting move and both are thought based.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Btw, my question about NEP is irrelevant to Grimmon in particular but Dracmon who DIO would have to fight after Grimmon if he won. Also, seems more incon as it is a who shoots first scenario. Neither resists the other's starting move and both are thought based.

So he doesen't tank RW, ergo is not a stomp.

This is:

If DIO vs Grimmon is an incon, but DIO vs Dracmon is a stomp for the latter because "lol NEP", and both the Digimons are equal, would DIO be still in the same position as them or still below?

 

[manu_zarri]

btw which nep type?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The 3 would likely just share the spot.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

btw which nep type?

1

 

[manu_zarri]

1

then we can scale HA Dio RO to RtZ which is above NEP bubbles and can return to zero them

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

NEP bubbles? What makes the bubbles NEP?

 

[StrymULTRA]

NEP bubbles? What makes the bubbles NEP?

They were stated to simply not exist at all.

Tho Grimmon can still one-shot since it leads with 2-A potency mind hax too iirc

BTW asked to change the High 8-C top

 

[Zencha9]

Doesn't dio always Open with time stop?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't dio always Open with time stop?

Is one of his leading moves but not always.

 

[StrymULTRA]

-

Close this BTW, it reached its goal anyway.

 

[Zencha9]

Ok Grimmon always Opens with mind hax so Grimmon takes it more times than dio

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ok Grimmon always Opens with mind hax so Grimmon takes it more times than dio

DIO opens up with other stuff that can take out Grimmon.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ok Grimmon always Opens with mind hax so Grimmon takes it more times than dio

Uhm, no. It was also established that Grimmon doesn't resist RO lol.

 

[Zencha9]

Uhm, no. It was also established that Grimmon doesn't resist RO lol.

I know but RW is the only thing dio got for him and i don't even know what dio used RW for

 

[Chariot190]

Can we not scale HA Dio to a thing that literally just happened in the manga when he's like 5 years old. At least till we get confirmation it retroactively backscales.
Being a bit to eager here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

i don't even know what dio used RW fo

Reality Warping (which is a potency layer above baseline), which is used for either Type 3 corruption, Soul Absorption or EE

 

[Zencha9]

Ummm Grimmon resist all of it's applications
Also can you show me when he starts with RW?

 

[manu_zarri]

Ummm Grimmon resist all of it's applications

false, and for soul he dosen't on HA Dio level

Also can you show me when he starts with RW?

buy yourself EoH, literally in the story, everytime

 

[deonment]

false, and for soul he dosen't on HA Dio level

uh, grimmon's resist is 5D in potency

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ummm Grimmon resist all of it's applications

Issue: these powers as already explained in other threads aren't really the "real ones", but a mere subset of Reality Warping. Resisting "regular EE" against DIO is useless since that's not really EE but Reality Warping, so resistance against the latter (which I remind that should be above baseline resistance) is required instead of the actual resistances against these powers.

Also can you show me when he starts with RW?

Did against the Joestars the 1st time and absorbed the souls in the 2nd. Plus Canon DIO already is bloodlusted against dudes he's not interested to fight against (see Nusaku or Kakyoin).

 

[Zencha9]

Issue: these powers as already explained in other threads aren't really the "real ones", but a mere subset of Reality Warping. Resisting "regular EE" against DIO is useless since that's not really EE but Reality Warping, so resistance against the latter (which I remind that should be above baseline resistance) is required instead of the actual resistances against these powers.

What that's not how it works sure girm doesn't resist RW but he resist every single application of said RW if the RW is going to take his soul then he resists it simple as that

 

[manu_zarri]

uh, grimmon's resist is 5D in potency

Ctrl+F keyword "Corruption" 0/0 (1/1 on digimion physiology but it's uses)
Ctrl+F keyword "Soul" on digimon physiology: "A Digimon's mind and soul is covered by Wireframe, which protects the Digicores (The true form and essence of a Digimon) from outside influence". dosen't seems 36 + 1/countless souls
Ctrl+F Keyword whatever was 0/0

 

[StrymULTRA]

What that's not how it works sure girm doesn't resist RW but he resist every single application of said RW if the RW is going to take his soul then he resists it simple as that

It's not because these aren't the actual powers but RW used in that way, ergo you need RW resistance to survive that

 

[manu_zarri]

What that's not how it works sure girm doesn't resist RW but he resist every single application of said RW if the RW is going to take his soul then he resists it simple as that

false (2) hax that i linked wasn't in resistance.

 

[Zencha9]

It's not because these aren't the actual powers but RW used in that way, ergo you need RW resistance to survive that

It doesn't matter if anything is going to take his soul etc then he'll resist it doesn't matter if it's fake or not

 

[StrymULTRA]

It doesn't matter if anything is going to take his soul etc then he'll resist it doesn't matter if it's fake or not

Except that's not how resistance works. It has the same effects but it's not that ability, so you can't resist it. You can't have a resistance to a power because "lol same effects" when the nature is complete different. Is the reason why all the power null resistances don't block all the applications of it.

 

[deonment]

Ctrl+F keyword "Corruption" 0/0 (1/1 on digimion physiology but it's uses)
Ctrl+F keyword "Soul" on digimon physiology: "A Digimon's mind and soul is covered by Wireframe, which protects the Digicores (The true form and essence of a Digimon) from outside influence". dosen't seems 36 + 1/countless souls
Ctrl+F Keyword whatever was 0/0

uh, the wireframe is a 5D thing though, so you get past his resistances you would have to get past the wireframe, so no he ain't doing shit

 

[manu_zarri]

uh, the wireframe is a 5D thing though, so you get past his resistances you would have to get past the wireframe, so no he ain't doing shit

didn't the new hax things got accepted tho? if it got accepted then now is something like, low complex range? afaik

 

[Zencha9]

Except that's not how resistance works. It has the same effects but it's not that ability, so you can't resist it. You can't have a resistance to a power because "lol same effects" when the nature is complete different. Is the reason why all the power null resistances don't block all the applications of it.

What matters is that it has the same effect girm resist said effect doesn't matter if it's the same ability or not