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Berserker Armor Guts
Post-Cochlea Kaneki
Speed Equalized
Who wins and why?
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Guts vs Ken Kaneki
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Berserker Armor Guts
Post-Cochlea Kaneki
Speed Equalized
Who wins and why?
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My vote goes to Kaneki,altough Guts pain tolerance is good,but Kaneki regen might be difficult for Guts to handle,also Kaneki is more experience than Guts IMO like he defeat Arima who is the strongest guy in that verse,also i said this because Guts in berserker armor is bloodlusted in default,make his win chance become tiny due of Kaneki experience,also the pain tolerance is more like delaying the pain so yeah.....
So voting Kaneki with Regen very and high experience.
So voting Kaneki with Regen very and high experience.
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Guts end up just negating his Regenerationn man.
>Experience.
>Not automatically guts for an entire life.
>Experience.
>Not automatically guts for an entire life.
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Where Guts can negate the regen tho? from his soul manipulation?
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All of his attack also harm an opponent on the astral plane (soul) and all wound inflicted via dragon Slayer will open up and not heal .
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Regen negation doesn't matter unless he gets a direct hit on Kaneki himself,
Which is unlikely considering Kaneki's typical fighting style consists of keeping the opponent at a distance with giant Kagune tentacles while leaping around the walls, and Kagune do not "heal" so much as they grow completely new limbs to replace severed ones.
Additionally, Kaneki beat Arima, who (with a decade less experience than he had when he fought Kaneki) killed 30 ghouls at once singlehandedly, and also defeated Yoshimura, who himself had decades of experience killing ghouls and humans.
And before anyone brings up "100 > 30" , those were a hundred 10-C to 9-C normal humans, not 9-B or higher ghouls with Regenerationn and Kagunes.
Kaneki can also change the shape of his Kagune extremely fluidly, allowing him to catch Guts off guard with the rapid flurry of hands, claws, mouths (that speak), spikes and blades erupting out of him.
This Kaneki is also no slouch in swordplay himself.
Which is unlikely considering Kaneki's typical fighting style consists of keeping the opponent at a distance with giant Kagune tentacles while leaping around the walls, and Kagune do not "heal" so much as they grow completely new limbs to replace severed ones.
Additionally, Kaneki beat Arima, who (with a decade less experience than he had when he fought Kaneki) killed 30 ghouls at once singlehandedly, and also defeated Yoshimura, who himself had decades of experience killing ghouls and humans.
And before anyone brings up "100 > 30" , those were a hundred 10-C to 9-C normal humans, not 9-B or higher ghouls with Regenerationn and Kagunes.
Kaneki can also change the shape of his Kagune extremely fluidly, allowing him to catch Guts off guard with the rapid flurry of hands, claws, mouths (that speak), spikes and blades erupting out of him.
This Kaneki is also no slouch in swordplay himself.
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Even a mere wound even a small one will not heal.
Yeah? Guts himself is acrobatic by a decent amount. Jumps or flips or any other method of acrobatic movement is fair and doabke.
And ? Guts had defeated apostles with decades or zodd who had centuries of experience.
Guts also mailed and defeated astral demon (trolls). Many (over a hundred).
Yeah except shapeshifting would do little especially when fighting armored guts and ap?
Ken best have an advantage man.
Yeah? Guts himself is acrobatic by a decent amount. Jumps or flips or any other method of acrobatic movement is fair and doabke.
And ? Guts had defeated apostles with decades or zodd who had centuries of experience.
Guts also mailed and defeated astral demon (trolls). Many (over a hundred).
Yeah except shapeshifting would do little especially when fighting armored guts and ap?
Ken best have an advantage man.
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Still doesn't matter if he can't reach Kaneki with the dragon slayer, and anything else gets either tanked or regenerates from. Qnd Kaneki can fight on even without regenerating anyway.
He doesn't usually use such tactics, and found himself struggling against serpicio, who himself has inferior agility to Kaneki without the sylph sword
Very few apostles have actual decades of combat experience, and those that do fight are not in any way skill based. They are vastly superior to any normal human, and they do not fight each other. And fight they have would come down to the Apostle being vastly bigger and stronger than the human. The one exception is Zodd, and I do not remember guts ever outright beating him in a straight fight.
Underestimating the kagune's shapeshiftijg ability. A common mistake I see in TG threads. Anyway, Ken has fought with people in armour before, such as the Arata.
Oh he does.
He doesn't usually use such tactics, and found himself struggling against serpicio, who himself has inferior agility to Kaneki without the sylph sword
Very few apostles have actual decades of combat experience, and those that do fight are not in any way skill based. They are vastly superior to any normal human, and they do not fight each other. And fight they have would come down to the Apostle being vastly bigger and stronger than the human. The one exception is Zodd, and I do not remember guts ever outright beating him in a straight fight.
Underestimating the kagune's shapeshiftijg ability. A common mistake I see in TG threads. Anyway, Ken has fought with people in armour before, such as the Arata.
Oh he does.
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Not if he lacked the ability of growing back kagune.
Yeah? Armored guts man. Not base guts without berserker armor. And did ya forget the fight location had outright gimped him on everybfight? On a cliff face or a room full of pillars and he played fair and ya forget he did not have the armor on.
Except plenty did? And he beat zodd human form on the match on the hill of blades and he did fine when fighting apostle zodd going all out man.
One hit from guts will negate kagunebability of healing and growing.
Number?
Yeah? Armored guts man. Not base guts without berserker armor. And did ya forget the fight location had outright gimped him on everybfight? On a cliff face or a room full of pillars and he played fair and ya forget he did not have the armor on.
Except plenty did? And he beat zodd human form on the match on the hill of blades and he did fine when fighting apostle zodd going all out man.
One hit from guts will negate kagunebability of healing and growing.
Number?
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As I said. The dragon slayer would not be able to negate the Kagune regrowing, because a Kagune's regrowth is not so much Regenerationn as it is recreation. Regardless of how many wounds the Kagune takes, Kaneki would be able to easily form new limbs from the stumps, as he is not regenerating old Kagune parts damaged on the astral plane, he is creating entirely new Kagune. And Kaneki would just as willingly rip off his own Kagune and grow and entirely new one if he felt it was slowing him.
Point acknowledged. Berserker guts does throw himself around a lot. Agility is more even than I initially though, though Kaneki's Kagune do still give him an edge there, as even if they were both jumping around the place, his Kagune offer more manoeverability and fine control than Guts altering his momentum with his cannon for example.
As I said. Apostles are vastly more powerful than any human. Saying an apostle has decades of combat experience against humans is like saying I have years of combat experience against ants. The difference in strength is simply too high for skill to come into it. Also, I'll need to recheck those scenes with Zodd. Do you know which chapter they come from?
As explained above, no it will not. The dragon slayer works by inflicting wounds on the soul that won't heal, and forces the body to respond to that by not allowing it to heal either. But the Kagune not healing is irrelevant to Kaneki - it doesn't need to heal when he can just create new limbs and spikes out of the stump, or create entirely new tentacle from his back.
Four that I remember. Shinohara, Amon, Juuzou, and Juuzou's sidekick. The last two he fought both at once. Also Yamoori's Kakjua form, though it's armour is less armour-y than the others full body suits. I won't count Eto either, as her Kakuja is less like armour and more like a giant monster.
Point acknowledged. Berserker guts does throw himself around a lot. Agility is more even than I initially though, though Kaneki's Kagune do still give him an edge there, as even if they were both jumping around the place, his Kagune offer more manoeverability and fine control than Guts altering his momentum with his cannon for example.
As I said. Apostles are vastly more powerful than any human. Saying an apostle has decades of combat experience against humans is like saying I have years of combat experience against ants. The difference in strength is simply too high for skill to come into it. Also, I'll need to recheck those scenes with Zodd. Do you know which chapter they come from?
As explained above, no it will not. The dragon slayer works by inflicting wounds on the soul that won't heal, and forces the body to respond to that by not allowing it to heal either. But the Kagune not healing is irrelevant to Kaneki - it doesn't need to heal when he can just create new limbs and spikes out of the stump, or create entirely new tentacle from his back.
Four that I remember. Shinohara, Amon, Juuzou, and Juuzou's sidekick. The last two he fought both at once. Also Yamoori's Kakjua form, though it's armour is less armour-y than the others full body suits. I won't count Eto either, as her Kakuja is less like armour and more like a giant monster.
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Man expect that it would do exactly that. The kagunebability would be cut and the stump would fail on growing anything back. Healing is just creating new flesh and skin and all. Is the kagune organic? If so then the kagune would not grow anything from the stump or wound made but him.
Maybe but ya forget he would use his sword for manoverability.
Demon army and zodd and grunbeld. Berserker did kill plenty of trained apostles man.
Yeah? Except ya forget. Slan would have been done that with no effort out of troll gore but slan failed.All damage done by the blade will prevent any healing or growing or all that on the damaged kagune where the kagune would be damaged and if outright torn off the kagune will be negated useless and will lack range that would lead ken death which even a moment of lack of range will make and allow guts a good chance on getting near ken.
AP man. For zodd ya mean? Forget exact . Will attempt on grabbing for ya.
Maybe but ya forget he would use his sword for manoverability.
Demon army and zodd and grunbeld. Berserker did kill plenty of trained apostles man.
Yeah? Except ya forget. Slan would have been done that with no effort out of troll gore but slan failed.All damage done by the blade will prevent any healing or growing or all that on the damaged kagune where the kagune would be damaged and if outright torn off the kagune will be negated useless and will lack range that would lead ken death which even a moment of lack of range will make and allow guts a good chance on getting near ken.
AP man. For zodd ya mean? Forget exact . Will attempt on grabbing for ya.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqpdxdKH0g Excuse the anime being outright bad.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between creation of entirely new limbs, and Regenerationn of existing ones. Kaneki does not need to regenerate a damaged Kagune, he is entirely capable of creating a new one. It isn't like "a kagune tentacle gets cut, no kagune tentacles will be able to work from now on because even if he creates a new one that wound remains". It's more like "a kagune tentacle gets cut, Kaneki notices the wound isn't healing, and instead creates an entirely new kagune tentacle. Or grows new limbs out of the non-damaged bit of the Kagune."
That doesn't change much. A sword does not let you swing around through the air like spiderman. Kaneki still beats him out in agility.
Berserker guts tore through them like they were nothing. That's not a display of skill, that's a display of raw power.
Slan was basically possessing the troll guts, overlaying her own spirit on them and forcing them to reflect the shape of her spirit. So of course any wound done to her spirit would reflect on the guts, it's the same damaged spirit. Kaneki on the other hand can grow entirely new tentacles to compensate for any damaged ones, because even if the tentacles Guts hits are damaged on the astral plane, Kaneki can just grow new tentacles that are not damaged on the astral plane.
Additionally, Berserker Guts is just that - a berserker. He's not going to use intelligent tactics like Guts normally uses, he's going to charge at Kaneki and try to chop him apart. That is incredibly exploitable for Kaneki, who is a highly intelligent fighter, setting traps, attacking from unexpected angles, and using the environment around him to his advantage.
Also, isn't Berserker Guts a glass cannon? His body can't stand the strength of his own strikes.
That doesn't change much. A sword does not let you swing around through the air like spiderman. Kaneki still beats him out in agility.
Berserker guts tore through them like they were nothing. That's not a display of skill, that's a display of raw power.
Slan was basically possessing the troll guts, overlaying her own spirit on them and forcing them to reflect the shape of her spirit. So of course any wound done to her spirit would reflect on the guts, it's the same damaged spirit. Kaneki on the other hand can grow entirely new tentacles to compensate for any damaged ones, because even if the tentacles Guts hits are damaged on the astral plane, Kaneki can just grow new tentacles that are not damaged on the astral plane.
Additionally, Berserker Guts is just that - a berserker. He's not going to use intelligent tactics like Guts normally uses, he's going to charge at Kaneki and try to chop him apart. That is incredibly exploitable for Kaneki, who is a highly intelligent fighter, setting traps, attacking from unexpected angles, and using the environment around him to his advantage.
Also, isn't Berserker Guts a glass cannon? His body can't stand the strength of his own strikes.
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@Monarch
I guess,unless i didn't remember it too well.Alas voting Monarch.
I guess,unless i didn't remember it too well.Alas voting Monarch.
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Voting... me?Veloxt1r0kore said:
I'm winning against both of them!!!
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Yeah ken can grow new one but he would have get and take off the damaged one first.
Not by much.
Grunbeld? He alive man. And armored guts beat him.
Yeah and slan would have been able fill the wound with more guts and many apostles do what ken can. Lord slug an example (although that before ds had decent hax).
Berserker instinct and the demon while bloodlusted on the other hand arguably did make guts more skilled and he does keep intellect he just no longer had the ability duffentiate ally and foe.
Nope. Only happened once and the broken was a direct effect endured from blocking a blow from grunbeld. And 45 ton from durability not ap which only would have made guts have much higher ap via what ya saying man.
AP on ken?
Not by much.
Grunbeld? He alive man. And armored guts beat him.
Yeah and slan would have been able fill the wound with more guts and many apostles do what ken can. Lord slug an example (although that before ds had decent hax).
Berserker instinct and the demon while bloodlusted on the other hand arguably did make guts more skilled and he does keep intellect he just no longer had the ability duffentiate ally and foe.
Nope. Only happened once and the broken was a direct effect endured from blocking a blow from grunbeld. And 45 ton from durability not ap which only would have made guts have much higher ap via what ya saying man.
AP on ken?
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No he wouldn't. He's quite capable of growing multiple kagune at once.
Anything helps.
Who? Is he from the manga, or the game? Because I'm going to need sources that the game is canon.
That's not how Slan's possession works. Yes she could have filled it it, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that her astral self still had a giant hole in her stomach. Kaneki on the other hand would just grow a new Kagune that isn't damaged and keep fighting. Hell, even if Guts cut the Kagune in half, Kaneki could still control both halves as long as they were still connected to him.
Arguably? I think not. Berserker Guts is berserk. He does not and never has used intelligent tactics.
Again, if Grunbeld is from the game only, I'm going to need sources that it is canon.
No value, but superior to people who are superior to people who while starved (which in TG equates to "running on empty", i.e. having basically no power left) can casually destroy gigantic quinque steel (vastly stronger than normal steel) compactors just by activating their Kagune.
Hell, it's debatable if Kagune would even be affected by the DS Regenerationn negation. It seems questionable that the Kagune itself would have a soul.
Anything helps.
Who? Is he from the manga, or the game? Because I'm going to need sources that the game is canon.
That's not how Slan's possession works. Yes she could have filled it it, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that her astral self still had a giant hole in her stomach. Kaneki on the other hand would just grow a new Kagune that isn't damaged and keep fighting. Hell, even if Guts cut the Kagune in half, Kaneki could still control both halves as long as they were still connected to him.
Arguably? I think not. Berserker Guts is berserk. He does not and never has used intelligent tactics.
Again, if Grunbeld is from the game only, I'm going to need sources that it is canon.
No value, but superior to people who are superior to people who while starved (which in TG equates to "running on empty", i.e. having basically no power left) can casually destroy gigantic quinque steel (vastly stronger than normal steel) compactors just by activating their Kagune.
Hell, it's debatable if Kagune would even be affected by the DS Regenerationn negation. It seems questionable that the Kagune itself would have a soul.
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And guts is capable of destroying multiple at once.
Grunbeld? Grunbeld
>Hell, even if Guts cut the Kagune in half, Kaneki could still control both halves as long as they were still connected to him.
That actually makes absolutely zero sense man. Abd the kagune are apart of him? How many out at once? Maximum.
Man ya gotta hand me a value. Or just gonna figure ken baseline.
Grunbeld? Grunbeld
>Hell, even if Guts cut the Kagune in half, Kaneki could still control both halves as long as they were still connected to him.
That actually makes absolutely zero sense man. Abd the kagune are apart of him? How many out at once? Maximum.
Man ya gotta hand me a value. Or just gonna figure ken baseline.
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>Arguably? I think not. Berserker Guts is berserk. He does not and never has used intelligent tactics.
Except he takes a considerable jump in skill? And he is definitely not prone of being tricked? Bloodlusted did not equate a lack of intellect. While true he no longer applied tatics which are overly good he himself would not be tricked. (Although he did have a strategy and kinda did use tatics at one point).
Except he takes a considerable jump in skill? And he is definitely not prone of being tricked? Bloodlusted did not equate a lack of intellect. While true he no longer applied tatics which are overly good he himself would not be tricked. (Although he did have a strategy and kinda did use tatics at one point).
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And he's capable of growing new ones.
As I said. Prove it is canon, or it is irrelevant.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about it. Kagune aren't like normal limbs. They're made of nothing but RC cells, and those cells and their configuration can be controlled and shaped by Kaneki into pretty much any shape he wants. So cutting the Kagune wouldn't actually stop him controlling it unless it is completely severed from his body. That's another reason Regenerationn negation wouldn't work on them. The cells could just reshape around the wound (which wouldn't bleed either, so that's not an argument). The wound would still be there technically, it just wouldn't impede the kagune in any way. Also, at least 6 kagune tentacles out at once. Likely more, as 6 was when he was far less powerful or experiences with Kagune manipulation.
He doesn't have a value. No one's done a calc. But I gave you the scaling. He's clearly not baseline. "Figuring" that would be blatantly wrong and downplay.
As I said. Prove it is canon, or it is irrelevant.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about it. Kagune aren't like normal limbs. They're made of nothing but RC cells, and those cells and their configuration can be controlled and shaped by Kaneki into pretty much any shape he wants. So cutting the Kagune wouldn't actually stop him controlling it unless it is completely severed from his body. That's another reason Regenerationn negation wouldn't work on them. The cells could just reshape around the wound (which wouldn't bleed either, so that's not an argument). The wound would still be there technically, it just wouldn't impede the kagune in any way. Also, at least 6 kagune tentacles out at once. Likely more, as 6 was when he was far less powerful or experiences with Kagune manipulation.
He doesn't have a value. No one's done a calc. But I gave you the scaling. He's clearly not baseline. "Figuring" that would be blatantly wrong and downplay.
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How fast? Any delay would just have guts close the distance which may end ken.
Ya joking? Ya apparently read the manga but have no idea who grunbeld? Yeah canon and not only canon grunbeld a main character man.
And? The kagune when damaged will be damaged and will not heal and moving around and covering the wound will just have the wound open back and ken would have destroyed the kagune and grow a new one completely. Yeah kagune would have one as objects do have an variation of a soul on the astral .
Ya best find one because guts while exhausted and weakened endured 45(almost baseline plus within durability)despite little damage. Guts would just tear and end ken with minimal effort as of now.
Ya joking? Ya apparently read the manga but have no idea who grunbeld? Yeah canon and not only canon grunbeld a main character man.
And? The kagune when damaged will be damaged and will not heal and moving around and covering the wound will just have the wound open back and ken would have destroyed the kagune and grow a new one completely. Yeah kagune would have one as objects do have an variation of a soul on the astral .
Ya best find one because guts while exhausted and weakened endured 45(almost baseline plus within durability)despite little damage. Guts would just tear and end ken with minimal effort as of now.
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Practically instantly. Speed is also equalised anyway, so Kaneki could just dodge around with his superior agility to prevent Guts from closing the distance. Kaneki has the range advantage anyway.
It's been a long time since I went through it. I'm currently just waiting for new fairy island arc chapters. But where does this feat come from?
You are right. A Kagune damaged by the DS would remain damaged. But Kaneki can just reshape the cells that make up that Kagune so that damage is no longer relevent and in no way impedes his use of the kagune. Or just grows a new one.
There is no calculation. But assuming that makes him automatically baseline when scaling puts him at far higher is the height of idiocy. Kaneki beat Arima, who was able to beat full power Eto, who is capable of doing City Block feats while starved and with barely any power just by transforming into their combat form.
Also, where is this 45 ton feat anyway.
It's been a long time since I went through it. I'm currently just waiting for new fairy island arc chapters. But where does this feat come from?
You are right. A Kagune damaged by the DS would remain damaged. But Kaneki can just reshape the cells that make up that Kagune so that damage is no longer relevent and in no way impedes his use of the kagune. Or just grows a new one.
There is no calculation. But assuming that makes him automatically baseline when scaling puts him at far higher is the height of idiocy. Kaneki beat Arima, who was able to beat full power Eto, who is capable of doing City Block feats while starved and with barely any power just by transforming into their combat form.
Also, where is this 45 ton feat anyway.
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Practically? Meaning yeah not exactky instant man? Not how equalization work man. At least not any more guts would be able ta accelerate and all using canon fire and kinetic energy.
Beating grunbeld? Volume 24.
Ya honestly just describing Regenerationn man.
And guts with feats and scaling about 4x him.
Beating grunbeld? Volume 24.
Ya honestly just describing Regenerationn man.
And guts with feats and scaling about 4x him.
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There's no delay between him wanting a new Kagune and it beginning to grow, it's just if I said it was actually instantly that would be an infinite speed feat which is obviously wrong. And no, that is exactly how equalisation works. Canon fire and kinetic energy wouldn't speed up Guts, those aren't statistics amplification techniques.
Where's the calc?
I've actually made it clear how it is different, and why the dragonslayer negating Regenerationn won't be able to stop the Kagune, but if you are just going to ignore me, I'm not going to bother repeating myself.
4x isn't that much. Hardly insurmountable for someone like Kaneki, who skill, cunning and versatility all counter Gut's crazed berserker nature. Which you have yet to provide any proof of him maintaining his skill and intelligence in that state. Also where is the calc you keep mentioning. Gut's page links to Grunbeld, who links to Guts, without any actual justification for either.
Also, Kaneki could also win by attrition, seeing as Gut's every move causes self damage to him, and eventually he'll die of the sheer strain. Kaneki could win just by dodging and blocking for a while until Guts bleeds out.
Where's the calc?
I've actually made it clear how it is different, and why the dragonslayer negating Regenerationn won't be able to stop the Kagune, but if you are just going to ignore me, I'm not going to bother repeating myself.
4x isn't that much. Hardly insurmountable for someone like Kaneki, who skill, cunning and versatility all counter Gut's crazed berserker nature. Which you have yet to provide any proof of him maintaining his skill and intelligence in that state. Also where is the calc you keep mentioning. Gut's page links to Grunbeld, who links to Guts, without any actual justification for either.
Also, Kaneki could also win by attrition, seeing as Gut's every move causes self damage to him, and eventually he'll die of the sheer strain. Kaneki could win just by dodging and blocking for a while until Guts bleeds out.
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http://readberserk.com/chapter/berserk-chapter-225/ Fighting grunbeld. Also have a gif of him growing one back?
Did ya check durability?
4x is when every blow would tear ken apart. And man guts does that for a living beating opponents far above him. He had already defeated many apostles akin of him anyway. Ken would not have the advantage over guts on that front man.
EXCEPT he had only ever once damaged hiksekf and that was from blocking a blow from grunbeld.
Did ya check durability?
4x is when every blow would tear ken apart. And man guts does that for a living beating opponents far above him. He had already defeated many apostles akin of him anyway. Ken would not have the advantage over guts on that front man.
EXCEPT he had only ever once damaged hiksekf and that was from blocking a blow from grunbeld.
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Also fine guess ya making me do a run down (despite him being a berserker warrior which does have skill and guts while becoming bloodlusted is all the same sentient and friend and ally become hard diffentiate).
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You're kidding me right?TheJ-ManRequiem said:
http://readberserk.com/chapter/berserk-chapter-226/
Last three pages.
"Humans have unconsciousless established bonds to their strength so they do not harm their own bodies. Pain is a warning to keep us from destroy ourselves. He surpasses the limits of the human body at the risk of his own life"
Followed immediately by several panels of blood dripping from every crack in the armour. And before that, he did not block any blow from Grunbeld, he dodged them, so don't try to use that as an excuse.
5 pages into the next chapter , he hits Grunbeld, and blood spurts out of every crack in the armour in his arm.
And you're trying to tell me that he's never damaged himself with the Berserker armour?
Go on. Pull the other one.
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Durability is how much force you can tank. Something being higher than the force you can tank doesn't mean it's going to immediately cut through you, it means its actually going to be sufficient to damage you.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
And Kaneki, as Haise, fights ghouls and investigators for a living.
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Nope. He was wounded previously. Excluding the grunbeld fight he had not once wounded himself with thevarmor. And did ya keep reading? He blocked a blow from grunbeld with a fractured arm. Yeah actually. After he ended getting healed he did not harm wound himself within any other fight.
Other what? The calculation? The feat linked on profile. Also the gif man.
Other what? The calculation? The feat linked on profile. Also the gif man.
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And man ken not exactly durable enough for guts harm himself off him anyway.
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You are really taking things out of context. When a character literally talks about how using the armour gives you strength at the price of damaging yourself, and then the next panel shows you bleeding out of every single crack in the armour all over your body, it's pretty damn clear what the cause of that bleeding is. Same with the next chapter where when the panel shows Guts swinging the sword at the enemy and the subsequent panel shows blood erupting out of every crack in the armour on his arm, it is obvious what the cause is.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
I'm looking for gifs.
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Oh of course. Unfortunately that only happened once and while he was already wounded all over. Every fight had nothing. Probably because guts did not open wounds back open with every blow.
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That bleeding did not happen because he was already wounded. That bleeding happened because he was pushing past human limits and damaging himself as a result. Shirke's commentary makes that so incredibly clear I don't see how you can honestly think otherwise.
That bleeding did not happen because he was already wounded. That bleeding happened because he was pushing past human limits and damaging himself as a result. Shirke's commentary makes that so incredibly clear I don't see how you can honestly think otherwise.
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Also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wx-hWSTN6k
Kaneki instantly creating new Kagune tentacles to counter Amon's blows.
Kaneki instantly creating new Kagune tentacles to counter Amon's blows.
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Because the point made after and on reoccurring fights that guts will reopen his wounds if he fights with the armor? Which is what exactly happened . HE had been damaged and had wounded all over and fighting with the armor without being with pain opened wound.
Supported by every other fight he had .
Also even hypothetically ken would must have an durable. Enough for guts wound himself on hitting him anyway. Which he kinda lacked man.
Also guts had went a week fighting almost every day. And without sleep man meaning he not outlasting guts especially with guts having stamina within base man.
And would keneven harm guts although as guts endured the blast and walked the blast off.
Supported by every other fight he had .
Also even hypothetically ken would must have an durable. Enough for guts wound himself on hitting him anyway. Which he kinda lacked man.
Also guts had went a week fighting almost every day. And without sleep man meaning he not outlasting guts especially with guts having stamina within base man.
And would keneven harm guts although as guts endured the blast and walked the blast off.
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The point made is that the boost he gets from the armour is caused by pushing himself beyond his natural limiters, causing him to damage himself with his every move. I can't even be bothered to argue this with you. You're trying to say that somethign very clearly established as a weakness of Berserker guts just doesn't actually happen. It's ridiculous, you are wrong, I've provided proof, and I'm done on that topic.
No. Guts was bleeding simply from jumping around with the Berserker armour. He doesn't need to hit Kaneki for it to happen.
He also wasn't bleeding copious amounts of blood from every part of his body with every single motion he made during that week, so that example is irrelevant here. If he tried to fight that long in the Berserker armour, he'd bleed out and die within minutes to hours at the maximum.
Yes Kaneki can still harm Guts. A blast has a large surface area, it's different to the Kagune which have more fine targeted piercing attacks to deal more damage with the same amount of force.
No. Guts was bleeding simply from jumping around with the Berserker armour. He doesn't need to hit Kaneki for it to happen.
He also wasn't bleeding copious amounts of blood from every part of his body with every single motion he made during that week, so that example is irrelevant here. If he tried to fight that long in the Berserker armour, he'd bleed out and die within minutes to hours at the maximum.
Yes Kaneki can still harm Guts. A blast has a large surface area, it's different to the Kagune which have more fine targeted piercing attacks to deal more damage with the same amount of force.
