Formeraxe said:
The OP said it's an above average Yautja, and it's Guts just after getting his dragon slayer sword and such. The Predator has been limited, because Guts has been limited as well (speed equalized.)
When it comes to martial arts, Guts is outclassed if what you said is true. However, Guts rarely uses his fists in a fight, relying more on his sword, mostly because it's the only thing that can effectiely kill the hulking demons he fights to the death. And when it comes to weapons combat, Guts is a master, with decades of experience. Also, to touch upon what you said about Yautja faceing and defeating beings stronger than themsleves? Well, that is Guts's whole gig; that's a huge part of the Berserk series. Every. Fricken. Day, Guts contends with beings FAR stronger than himself.
In durability, Guts has this Yaujta beat. He takes beatings on a daily bases from beings(Like Zodd) who can hit harder than himself, and Guts has multi city block level power.
When it comes to stamina, this is a hard one to figure out. They both have freakish stamina, both being able to keep fighting for many hours after being mortally wounded. I'd say equal here.
Speed is equalized so the Yaujta isn't blitzed and killed instantly. Guts is Hypersonic +, while the Yaujts is in the Supersonic range.
In lifting strength, I concede that Guts is outclassed. However, Guts has superior AP due to his sword's kinetic energy.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Austrian-Man-Meat/Berserk:_Guts_avoids_electrocutio!
This calc gives the values if you would like to read.
They also have identical SS when the Yaujta is using the power glove.
In sheer stats, Guts has this fight fairly handedly. However, the Yaujta has time to stalk Guts and see his fighting style. I'd still give this fight to Guts 6/10 times. It would be tougher than I initially thought, but the Yaujta's thirst for a worthy melee battle would give Guts his victory.
Sure, Guts may have been somewhat nerfed, but I don't believe it is to the extent of how nerfed the Predator is in this battle, seeing how much of his gear is absent unless Goodyfresh can state otherwise.
The martial arts knowledge of Yautja is true, according to Steve Perry's statements on it as he was a major contributor to the old AvP and Predator franchise. In regards to Guts' combat experience, not bad, but do note Yautja can have several hundreds and even thousands of years of combat experience. This depends of the ranking though... Higher ranking Yautja like Clan Leaders and Elites have thousands of years of galactic hunting and combat experience. Several hundred years goes to mid-ranking Yautja. And finally, low ranking Yautja can either have no combat experience (unbloodeds/recruits just have training experience) to a few decades of galactic hunting and combat experience. BTW, they can utilize their martial arts knowledge with their melee weapons, especially with wrist blades.
And going back to how you said he faces being far stronger than himself, well are those being superior to him in terms of durability, agility, reflexes, and/or weaponry? Because Yautja have, but it depends. In particular, I've seen Yautja defeat Predaliens who possess not only vastly superior strength than Yautja, but as well as in durability, agility, speed, and reflexes. Then there's some genetically and technologically enhanced Yautja with cybernetic implants that normal Yautja (Scarface in particular) had defeated in combat. This is all thanks to the Yautja's extreme level of intelligence, galactic hunting/combat/training experience, and skill that allows them to counter all these disadvantages.
As for his durability, from what I recall he's not naturally a multi-city block level. That's due to his sword possibly and the kinetic energy within is sword just concentrates the kinetic energy within the sword, but not an entire area. It's the sword's penetration and cutting power is what I believe I'm trying to say.
Onto stamina, I don't believe that will really matter here since both do possess extreme levels of stamina, but I'd just to say I believe that would be in favor of Yautja. Since I do recall a Yautja named Scarface, who it's implied that he was exiled to and slayed an entire planet that was very arid/dry, hot (the planet had three suns), rugged, and full of deserts. Not to mention it appears the planet possessed endless hordes of these large, hostile arthropod creatures similar to the Arachnids from Starship Troopers, except they were about 3 times as large and were more agile and quicker. In the end, Scarface after an entire century, was seen standing perfectly fine over a large, dead pile of these creatures. The pile appeared to be comparable to the height of mountains behind the scene.
Onto speed, well to be fair, Yautja are
at least in the supersonic+ range, since there are no feats to ensure they're in hypersonic range. However, Yautja have countless of times effortlessly dodge/evade modern and even futuristic gunfire at
close to point blank range. Along with outmaneuvering speeding sports cars with ease and moving so fast they turn into a big invisible blur to soldiers' eyes. Not to mention in South China Sea, there was said to be around a hundred soldiers armed with machine guns, snipers, AA guns aimed downward, and mortars firing and aiming at the Hunter. In the end, they were unsuccessful due to how agile and fast the Hunter was.
There is a difference between speed and agility you know? I find that the Hunter who might possibly not be as fast in terms of directional speed, but he'll have an agility advantage perhaps (remember, the jumping/leaping abilities of Yautja?), which I believe is more necessary during combat. Speed is mainly useful during combat when you need to retreat for whatever reason and utilizing tactics based on speed, like guerrilla and/or hit-and-run tactics.
Besides, hasn't Guts been tagged or hit by beings who aren't exactly in the hypersonic range or slower than him? Oh and how consistent are his possibly hypersonic abilities? However, there was one enemy Scarface faced and defeated, that I recall was able to with a Dlex (Yautja metal) sword, deflect darts from the hunter's dart gun at close to point blank range. This is similar to deflecting sniper rounds at close to point blank range so there's that too. Also, Yautja have tagged and hit beings who are far more agile and possess far greater reflexes than themselves too.
Onto lifting strength... Uhh your link doesn't show me anything... Well anyways, do note that thanks to the Yautja's knowledge in Jehdin, it incorporates the principles of Aikido. Furthermore, Aikido is a martial art that allows users to redirect the force and energy behind their combatant's h2h and melee attacks either away from or back at their combatant. Hell, there's a clear example of this occurring during a scan of a larger and stronger Yautja going up against a smaller and weaker Yautja. In the end, the larger Yautja lost to the smaller one as he wasn't as skilled as the smaller one in combat.
^ I believe this contributes to how some Yautja can fight with beings physically superior to themselves. This should come in handy when this Hunter is going up against Guts and his sword, along with his own power glove.
Now to conclude, I find that while Guts has faced and defeated beings far stronger than himself, mainly due to his sword, what makes the Predator really stand out from what Guts has faced is the Hunter's
gear, combat skill/experience, and intelligence/tactics... Which the Hunter has all the advantage in all those aspects over. After all, the Hunter is a Yautja, who are a race of extraterrestrials who possess far superior technology than humans, even during the futuristic Colonial Marine/Weyland-Yutani era.
But before I say my ultimatum on how the battle can go, I'll like to add several more things… First in regards to Yautja melee weaponry, the weapon that stands out in the OP is the "spear", or combistick is really what it's called. The combistick is not just a razor-sharp and double-headed and spear-like melee and throwing weapon… It's 2 meters when extended and it's electrically charged to where it can electrocute humans to death. Does Guts possess natural resistance to electricity, without his sword? BTW, Yautja are on average 8 ft and 2 in in the EU… This is a good size and reach advantage as well over Guts.
Speaking of Yautja melee weapons, be aware that they're made out of Dlex. It is a Yautja metal native to their planet. Dlex possesses similar properties to Adamantium, durability in most particular. It's regarded as being very lightweight, yet very durable. In fact, it is said that no known human weapon can damage or pierce the metal, unless it is exposed to enough radiation to cause it to rust over time and only then it can be punctured. Hell, there are feats which prove the metal is completely bulletproof and can withstand plasma and explosive weaponry. Furthermore, Dlex has been regarded with possessing unbreakable/indestructible strength.
In regards to the keenness of their melee weapons, well they're described with what sounds like to be molecular cutting blades, meaning they can slice through virtually anything at a molecular level. To continue, a futuristic scientist analyzed a dart from a dart gun of a Yautja, which revealed and the scientist stated the darts were pretty much infinitely keen at a molecular level. Therefore, it's completely not unreasonable to say the same for their melee weapons meant specifically for slicing and dicing.
After all, Yautja melee weapons have ripped through modern and colonial marine tanks/APCs like wet tissue paper, effortlessly pierce the bulletproof hide of Alien Queens and Predaliens, and effortlessly pierce/damage the internal and external armor frame of Combat Androids who are durable enough to withstand an entire clip of pulse rifle ammunition (which are caseless, armor piercing and explosive bullets). Thus, I believe there should be no issues with the melee weapons doing some notable harm to Guts.
Speaking of Dlex, that's what Yautja armor is made out of. Furthermore, I suppose while the Hunter may not be naturally durable enough to take many blows from Guts' sword, but his armor should… The armor on his arm in most particular would probably be a good shield against Guts' sword. In addition, the power glove according to its concept design, can act as a shield so there's another use of the power glove as it is made out of Dlex, as well. Then of course, the melee weapons should be helpful in blocking Guts' sword. Unless there's anything to suggest Guts' sword can effectively slice through something as durable as Adamantium or similar to Dlex.
BTW, I'd say striking power would go to the Hunter if it's him with a power glove vs Guts naturally. To continue, the power glove is AT LEAST GJ… It actually rivals the strength of Young Predalien Queens, who are slightly tougher than a normal Alien Queen. In fact, they can bring down entire Yautja temples/pyramids with several fish slams, through power scaling however (Predalien warrior nearly brought down and shook an entire Yautja temple by slamming her fists on the ground several times)...
Then do note certain clans possess more advanced versions of cloaking devices. Furthermore, Yautja possess cloaking devices that render themselves nearly and even completely invisible, which is what I'm going to go by for this battle. Due to this, Guts will have a very hard time fighting the Hunter, especially when combined with how agile and skilled the Hunter is. Basically, Guts will be fighting completely blind unless there's some way y'all think he can get around fighting a completely invisible foe.
I wonder how Guts would stand up against the shoulder cannon's firing modes, like beam, charged, and rapid-fire mode. As beam mode can vaporize two soldiers in one shot. As for charged mode, it can vaporize a fully armored colonial marine and obliterate a rather large starship designed to transport human planetary colonies. Rapid-fire mode utilizes standard shoulder cannon blasts, but fires them at a rate similar to a Gatling or Minigun as it took out entire squads of soldiers within a scan or two along with taking out military trucks in the process.
Mind you that standard blasts from the shoulder cannon have one-shot T-Rexes, brought down Colonial Marine dropships with just a shot, one-shot and obliterate Apache helicopters, effortlessly penetrate Colonial Marine and futuristic armor, one-shot jungle trees, one-shot and obliterate military trucks, leave large holes in World War era tanks (causing them to explode shortly after), leave large holes in starships with very thick hulls, and etc.…
Then do note there's something y'all must know about the biomask. A staple part of Yautja equipment, it's a highly functional piece of technology providing the hunter not only head protection and breathing apparatus, but as well as a variety of other functions: • ┬À Provides multiple vision modes including the traditional thermal, infra-red (natural Yautja vision), ultralight, night-vision, x-ray, Xenomorph, silicon, tech/electric, sonar, foot-prints, light (normal vision by how humans see objects), and more to where none of their opponents and prey have anywhere to hide.
• ┬À Allows the hunter to see through walls/objects/structures and can pinpoint, analyze, and zoom on other objects hidden or stored in other objects like bags, pockets, or whatever else is used for storage or hiding things.
• ┬À Zoom function and 100% accurate targeting system for shoulder cannon.
• ┬À Enhanced hearing - Audio booster: can pick up a whisper at 500 feet. • ┬À Vocal mimicry, recording, and possible translator.
• ┬À Diagnostics and playback sightings.
• ┬À The tri-beamed laser sight is an advanced tracking and aiming sight. It works in conjunction with any weapon but is primarily designed with the Plasma Caster. The laser will lock onto any target within visual range, to a distance of 3000 feet. It also affords the hunter a 3-D analysis of the opponents' shape. This beam can also be used to heat things up to the temperature equal to a small bonfire.
• ┬À Thoroughly analyzes and gives a necessary list/descriptions of the genealogy, physiology, equipment, basic combat disadvantages & advantages, and neurological state and information of their prey and opponents in a matter of seconds:
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With that being said, the Hunter will be able to find out all the necessary info about Guts and his sword for the battle and what are the most effective means of taking him out. Also, doesn't Guts, his arm, and his sword contain magical powers of any sort? If so, this could actually lead to the Hunter going blood-lust right away; Yautja possess animosity over magical forces according to the EU. Nevertheless, I believe the Hunter would go blood-lust anyways, mainly due to Guts' sword and if he'll be too durable to be taken out by typical Yautja means.
These cases of Yautja going blood-lusted and ignoring the honor code have occurred before in the EU, for reasons being that their prey/foe are way too much out of the ordinary/unusual of what they combat (like abilities very unique to Yautja) and basically reasons that would render the Yautja going up against prey/foes that would render going by the honor codes suicide.
So having all that being said, I believe this would go to the Predator's favor anyways and here's why…
The Predator utilizes a variety of tactics which some would likely be effective against Guts, such as guerilla/hit-and-run, disarming, ambushing, observing/studying/planning against him, using the environment to his advantage and aware of their surroundings, luring him into a trap/ambush, and playing possum/pretending to be dead so well that not even futuristic technology was able to tell a Yautja was playing possum, due to Yautja becoming completely immobile and can stop their hearts and pulses from beating, leave their own blood smeared on their body, and attack their prey/foes at the right moment. These tactics will go perfectly with the Hunter's gear.
So how I see this can go is that the Hunter goes invisible and begins stalking, observing, and analyzing Guts with his biomask. He should become blood-lusted and/or ignoring the honor code based on characteristics he's seen about Guts and Guts' gear. Then the Hunter utilizes his holographic sat-com + GPS in his wrist gauntlet, revealing not only Guts exact position relative to the Hunter, but a perfect holographic map of the area he's in and the details as well. This won't be used constantly though thanks to the Hunter's Yautja intelligence and extreme memory. Next, the Hunter utilizes his vocal mimicry device to trick and lure Guts into a trap and ambush or trick plan.
He carries out the ambush/trap/trick by laying on the ground face-up, smearing his body with his own blood, and goes completely immobile which includes stopping his heat and pulse beating temporarily until he attacks Guts when the moment comes. Furthermore, as the Hunter plays possum, he utilizes his vocal mimicry device (this device contains the exact voices and phrases of prey they've encountered) against Guts, luring him towards his fake dead body as he hears the voices coming from around where the Hunter's body is.
The Hunter listens as Guts walks towards him, who then Guts becomes very curious and perplexed on what has occurred as he notices an entirely different creature he's never seen and believes it has been killed by someone around the area, like the voices he's heard.
At the right moment during Guts having been distracted by his curiosity and confusion, the Hunter very quickly has his shoulder cannon aiming at Guts' face and is set to beam mode. Even if Guts could survive the blast to the face, he would at least receive a very bad and painful wound and would be blinded pretty badly due to the sudden burst of, insta-hit beam of highly concentrated plasma burning off his face, including his eyes, as I recall he can get burned by fire which doesn't compare even a little to the shoulder cannon.
As Guts it trying to supposedly recover shortly from the plasma blast to the face and is blinded, the Hunter gets up as quick as he can and goes invisible again. This way Guts is completely unaware of the Hunter's presence and is not able to detect the Hunter's presence at all. At this point, Guts is pretty much entirely defenseless and will have to probably rely on his other senses besides eyesight, but then again, Yautja are trained to be stealthy and Guts isn't really a guy who's other senses are no better than a normal human if I'm not mistaken.
Therefore, he's pretty much going to become heavily disadvantaged at this point. From this moment on, the Hunter could start screwing with Guts' mind and disadvantage by utilizing and playing various records from his vocal mimicry device, driving Guts' insane and highly vulnerable to attacks. In the end, the Hunter blasts the sword out of Guts' hands with his shoulder cannon or with his combistick. From there, the Hunter tosses or jams the combistick into Guts' head, electrocuting him and then decapitates Guts with wrist blades…
That's one possibility I can see occurring for the battle to go in the Predator's hands, but there are of course other ways this can go. So there you have it, I go for the Predator.
EDIT - Well, it appears Goodyfresh has allowed the Hunter access to all of his hunting gear shown in the EU. BTW, Goodyfresh, don't worry I'll just include anything the Yautja have utilized for hunts/missions, but not any vehicles and their non-hunting military gear. With that being said, this I believe should most definitely go to the hunter's favor, but I'll explain more if y'all would like. Then Goodyfresh, tier 8-C is around what average Yautja are in the EU, it's nothing special, but as you state it is an above average Yautja it's all good. Just bear in mind tier 9-A Yautja are the movie versions who generally aren't as powerful as their EU counterparts of course.
Keep in mind I'm also the main contributor to the Predator page (I'm actually AztecYautja1 as well), which I don't exactly put everything on there or into detail. This is because administers just come by and deem them as unnecessary or "rambly", but oh well, I can just argue them at least.
