Guts (Berserk) Vs Saber (Fate)

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Guts

Saber

Location: Sens Fortress

Berserker Armour guts


Guts 6

Saber 7

 

[Talonmask]

Uhh, you might want to cut down on the picture size.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Hehe. Ok.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Guts, due to incredible speed advantage and soul damaging properties of the Dragonslayer. If Saber has shown resillience to such weaponry/techniques before (which damage the soul) then she can probably pull of a win.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Saber has a much higher Destructive Capacity, Durability and Striking Strength. She also has Precognition which makes it a lot harder to hit her. Not to mention the high regenerative abilities Avalon gives her in it's passive state. It's activation is an impregnable defense.

They are both bloodlusted so she'll probably go directly for the Excalibur blast and I seriously doubt Guts can withstand it. Guts isn't really smart in Berserk state so he'll just charge forward and ignore any damage, resulting in his demise.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Take note of the location. I'm very specific about locations.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Take note of the location. I'm very specific about locations.

All I'm getting from the location is a dark fortress with various monsters inside it. How does that make any difference?

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Traps. Flying axes arrow traps falling iron boulders. Sticky slowing goop. Sens is an evil, EVIL place.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Traps. Flying axes arrow traps falling iron boulders. Sticky slowing goop. Sens is an evil, EVIL place.

Uhmm, I'm not sure where you're going with this. As I previsouly stated, Saber has Precognition and some arrow traps aren't going to touch her, even if by some miracle they did, they wouldn't even harm her or Guts, so traps are irrelevant to this battle. Not to mention she can just blast away the whole fortress.

Edit: Are you pulling my leg? I sense this is some kind of joke xD

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Hehe.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Sens is a bait for Dark souls fans. If it was a street level fight neither win. Sens fortress wins.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

I have to agree with ScarletFirefly here. Saber is just too strong for Guts, even in Berserker Armor. One Excaliblast and he's gone (As well as the entire fortress). Saber should win this.

... Also, Saber is well known for her honor in battle. Bloodlusted just throws that all away and she will ignore chivalry. Insta-Excaliblast.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

I'll remove bloodlust. However your vote still counts. Since I changed the rules you may revote.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Sens Fortress SUCKS. Seriously. That place is pure evil incarnate.

@A Hero Long Forgotten Well I still think Saber wins, even with Guts' speed advantage and no bloodlust. Saber probably won't use Excaliblast until the end game with her morals on, but she should still win. Excalibur + Avalon combo is that awesome.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Ok. Want me to add another point to Saber or naw?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Much higher DC and durability yes, but a lot more slower and vulnerable to Guts Dragonslaer's soul harming capabilities. Also it seems to leave permanant wounds seeing as even when Guts physical body was in top shape the damage done to his soul was enough to re open the wounds and weaken his body incredibly. Saber also cannot attack with Avalon and due to the regen being nulled out by Dragonslayer, she will most likely bleed to death.

Precognition on Guts is not very reliable, seeing as he is described as " a fish jumping out the water" by the God Hand (who manipulate causality and see into the future) there is also Zodd's prophecy of Guts death flat out being denied (seeing as Guts survived the eclipse)

He can't withstand it yes, but he can definately charge in and blitz

@ScarletFirefly

 

[ScarletFirefly]

She still has her armor which is more durable than any attack Guts can dish out. Also prophecies get denied all the time, due to misinterpretation, while precognition like Saber's or Haki have never shown to be wrong.

Also @ A Hero Long Forgotten: The vote tally is still 2:1 in Saber's favor. Where did you get the second vote for Guts? xD

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

She still has her armor which is more durable than any attack Guts can dish out. Also prophecies get denied all the time, due to misinterpretation, while precognition like Saber's or Haki have never shown to be wrong.
Also @ A Hero Long Forgotten: The vote tally is still 2:1 in Saber's favor. Where did you get the second vote for Guts? xD

There is Guts being described as an anomaly by the God Hand who have displayed the ability to manipulate causality and forsee passages in time. This was due to him survivng the eclipse which was unforseen by the group. Then again I am not sure how Saber's pre cognition functions, or if it's even useful vs someone who is signifcantly faster than her.

You forgot that her face is exposed, big enough target for Guts to cleave right through.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Oops. I mistook AMM as two people. Sorry.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Even if Guts is faster, Saber has her Small Island level Excaliblast, which is WAY more powerful than anything Guts has ever tanked. This is also a City level character with a Small Island level attack versus a Multi-city block level+ character. Guts onlu advantage here is speed and his own ferociousness; eventually Berserker armor will kill him as well while Saber can retreat to Avalon mid-fight, or use its passive heal. And while Dragonslayer can reach Astral plane, I doubt it can touch Avalon. I mean, not even the strongest forces in Fate can touch it. Also, 6th dimension.

And since they are in the Sens Fortress, can't Saber just bring down the entire Fortress along with Guts?

@A Hero Yes, you can add in my vote for Saber.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

You mistook my point completely, I never argued Dragonslayer would reach into Avalon. I said that Guts would only need one strike against Saber due to it's abilities to harm and leave permanant wounds on the astral body/soul (which I doubt Saber would be able to heal). Guts being significantly faster only enhances the chances of him landing this attack,

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

You mistook my point completely, I never argued Dragonslayer would reach into Avalon. I said that Guts would only need one strike against Saber due to it's abilities to harm and leave permanant wounds on the astral body/soul (which I doubt Saber would be able to heal). Guts being significantly faster only enhances the chances of him landing this attack,

Saber has her armor, which is famous for being plenty durable. I don't know what kind of enchantment Dragonslayer has, but I'm pretty sure a Multi-city block attack from his sword ain't gonna cut through Saber. Also, Precog.

Also, wouldn't Dragonslayer and Avalaon counter each other? This means that while Dragonslayer leaves permanent wounds, Avalon would continue healing them. Guts AP is just too low for him to do any meaningful damage to Saber. Honestly, this would be a stomp if they had similar speed. Guts only saving grace is his speed.

Also, Saber will eventually realize how much of a threat Guts is and go Excaliblast to destroy the fortress along with Guts. She could just stay in Avalon, charge up Excalibur and go back and wreck the entire fortress. Dead Guts. You also haven't addressed the fact that the Berserker armor will slowly kill. Saber is one hell of a tough customer, and the battle WILL drag on, provided Saber doesn't blast the entire fortess to smithereens first.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Actually, never mind. Dragonslayer can counter Saber's Avalon. I concede in that aspect. However, Saber's raw power still manages to clinch the win for me.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Saber for reasons mentioned above. Guts can't put her down in any kind of reasonable timeframe through her durability, regen, and precog and eventually Saber will use excalibur on him and that will be the end.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Did you read my comment? Dragonslayer will cut through her astral body/soul which in turn will cut through the physical body.Durability does not matter in that case

Berserker armor does not slowly kill, it makes Guts lose all feelings of pain which is a double edged sword as Guts will be oblivous to all damage done to him and can possibly go into an early grave as a result.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Actually, never mind. Dragonslayer can counter Saber's Avalon. I concede in that aspect. However, Saber's raw power still manages to clinch the win for me.

It might be able to get past the passive regen, but it's not going through the activation unless his sword surpasses 6 dimensions.

 

[Talonmask]

Did you read my comment? Dragonslayer will cut through her astral body/soul which in turn will cut through the physical body.Durability does not matter in that case

Berserker armor does not slowly kill, it makes Guts lose all feelings of pain which is a double edged sword as Guts will be oblivous to all damage done to him and can possibly go into an early grave as a result.

Having discussed this with you, we came to the agreement that he will have to aim for the head, as the properties of Dragonslayer require contact with the target's flesh, so it's reliant on Durability to an extent.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Did you read my comment? Dragonslayer will cut through her astral body/soul which in turn will cut through the physical body.Durability does not matter in that case

Berserker armor does not slowly kill, it makes Guts lose all feelings of pain which is a double edged sword as Guts will be oblivous to all damage done to him and can possibly go into an early grave as a result.

Having discussed this with you, we came to the agreement that he will have to aim for the head, as the properties of Dragonslayer require contact with the target's flesh, so it's reliant on Durability to an extent.

I doubt that saber is just going to let someone 360 no scope her in the head, especially if her precog warns her that the attack is coming and its her only vulnerable spot.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Did you read my comment? Dragonslayer will cut through her astral body/soul which in turn will cut through the physical body.Durability does not matter in that case
Berserker armor does not slowly kill, it makes Guts lose all feelings of pain which is a double edged sword as Guts will be oblivous to all damage done to him and can possibly go into an early grave as a result.

I read it. Unless metal has a soul, he's still going to need to go through that armor first - armor which has too high durability for him to get through.

 

[Talonmask]

Are you sure her precognition covers the large gap in speed? (Mach 45 reactions vs. At least Mach 318 reactions and combat speed)

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Are you sure her precognition covers the large gap in speed? (Mach 45 reactions vs. At least Mach 318 reactions and combat speed)

Speed stomps are against the rules. Either we are going to assume that saber is capable of dealing with the speed, even if at a disadvantage, or speed needs to be equalized.

She only has to react to and defend against attacks at her head that she knows are coming. If even with that limited target to defend plus precognition isn't enough for her to react to and stop him from one shotting her in the head, then he isn't allowed to have that speed and also get this marked down as a win for him.

 

[Talonmask]

If she can't narrow the speed gap with precognition, this thread will need to be closed.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Did you read my comment? Dragonslayer will cut through her astral body/soul which in turn will cut through the physical body.Durability does not matter in that case
Berserker armor does not slowly kill, it makes Guts lose all feelings of pain which is a double edged sword as Guts will be oblivous to all damage done to him and can possibly go into an early grave as a result.

Yes I read your comment. I already conceded that the Dragonslayer can nullify Avalon. We good now?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Having discussed this with you, we came to the agreement that he will have to aim for the head, as the properties of Dragonslayer require contact with the target's flesh, so it's reliant on Durability to an extent.

Yes you are correct, he will need to aim for the head.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Speed stomps are against the rules. Either we are going to assume that saber is capable of dealing with the speed, even if at a disadvantage, or speed needs to be equalized.

Out of curiosity and for future reference, where does it say that speed stomps are against the rules?

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Speed stomps are against the rules. Either we are going to assume that saber is capable of dealing with the speed, even if at a disadvantage, or speed needs to be equalized.

Out of curiosity and for future reference, where does it say that speed stomps are against the rules?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules

You can find this at the top under Useful -> Official -> Versus Thread Rules

The first bullet point under 'The Rules':

"Kindly do not create spite or stomp threads, whether by tier, speed or an absurd difference in hax proficiency (that is, a very hax character vs one with little to no hax) unless the other character possesses abilities that compensate for this advantage."

'Stomps' are in general against the rules, and threads that are determined to be stomps are closed with the results unrecorded. The general idea being that there is no point to debate or record the outcome of a fight that is already 100% known because it is a mismatch of some kind.

 

[A_Hero_Long_Forgotten]

Personally I think Guts would win. But my opinion doesn't count :/

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Thanks mate

 

[Reynald2708]

I still think Saber takes this due to Excalibur attack, Saber uses Excalibur in the start of battle and that will be the end for Guts since he is not durable enough to tank it.

 

[Zianmoon2]

Guts, faster speed + soul damage takes the win. All of the points made for Guts above also play into this. It doesn't matter how powerful the enemies attacks are, if you can pretty much negate your opponents defense, and hit them before they can, you win.