Grim vs Sans

[The_real_cal_howard]

A skeleton battle. A reaper of souls vs a judger of souls. Speed equalized. Who wins? Bloodlust is a thing for this match.



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[Kiryu2012]

I'd say Sans might win this, depending on how many lives Grim has reaped.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Definitely going with Sans. Grim has a lot of powers, but he's not exactly a fighter, and Sans should definitely be able to incapacitate him.

 

[SirBrownBear]

Grim via superior hax. Grim summons Sans' hourglass and crushes it/throws it on the ground.

 

[Thanatiforos]

Grim takes this, since speed is equalized here. His powers are superior to Sans's, and can summon greater powers from the underworld. If speed wasn't equalized, then there would be a different story, but that isn't the case.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Grim for reasons above.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Grim is far less skilled than Sans and can't do much of this in battle. KR wrecked someone infinitely above Grim, and Sans isn't going to hold back due to bloodlust. Grim has an abyssmal chance here.

 

[Danibom]

Grim should beat Sans because Sans attacks and his soul manipulation won't be strong enough to beat Grim due to Grim being a skeleton and that means he don't has soul, Grim can summon fire to give trouble for Sans and he can teleport if Sans dodges his attacks.

 

[Overlord775]

grim is the the grim reaper, he can't die and considering he's bloodlusted, he could just destroy the entire universe, killing sans in the process

 

[Anonimoe7875]

What hapened to the "Please don't bump topics that have been inactive for over a month" rule?

 

[Overlord775]

sorry m8

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Also Grim immortality is type 1,2,3 and 7 so it will not help if his soul is destroyed .-.

and he would be killed if the universe ended

 

[Kabi350]

My vote goes to Grim for reasons above (Better Hax).

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Does that make 7 votes? Or have I miscounted?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It really feels like people haven't watched Billy & Mandy. lmao

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I mean, if you really want to dissect this fight:

1. KR shouldn't do much of anything to Grim, since the majority of Grim's kills aren't really 'sins' in the conventional sense. By his own job description, he only kills people when the universe itself has decided that it's their time to die, and while he certainly enjoys his job more than most beings should, that isn't enough to make the job itself a sin. On the scale of good VS evil, such an act is (at worst) neutral.

2. A bloodlusted Grim has far more options in this fight than Sans does. He could summon Sans' hourglass and destroy it, BFR him to God know how many different realms and dimensions, or just de-age him into an infant. (he's shown that power in an episode before)

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Not giving a vote but to be fair, Grim BFRd a kid to a dimension of eternal suffering and torment just for shooting a spit ball at him.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

My main point was that KR isn't nearly as much of a factor here as the others arguing in Sans' defense claim it to be. The main thing I saw stated earlier was that KR would destroy him based on how many souls he's reaped, which it most likely wouldn't.

Grim's done other messed up things, sure. Anyone who's seen Grim Adventures can attest to the fact that he's not a saint in any respect. But as far as KR is concerned, the number of outright sins he's committed in the show's run doesn't seem like it would be enough to change the outcome of the fight.

 

[Danibom]

I mean, if you really want to dissect this fight:
1. KR shouldn't do much of anything to Grim, since the majority of Grim's kills aren't really 'sins' in the conventional sense. By his own job description, he only kills people when the universe itself has decided that it's their time to die, and while he certainly enjoys his job more than most beings should, that isn't enough to make the job itself a sin. On the scale of good VS evil, such an act is (at worst) neutral.

2. A bloodlusted Grim has far more options in this fight than Sans does. He could summon Sans' hourglass and destroy it, BFR him to God know how many different realms and dimensions, or just de-age him into an infant. (he's shown that power in an episode before)

Which episode Grim de-age a character? give me a link to that episode.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Had to go find it myself, but here's the full episode. The scene itself starts around 3:04-3:16.

He de-ages Billy's mom into a child, and the sentence he says before doing so implies he could have made her even younger. Worse than that, he de-aged her further than he'd intended, meaning if Grim attempts to turn him into an infant, there's a chance Sans could end up in some sort of pre-infantile state.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Also, nobody answered me on this before, but I believe we have 7 votes in favor of Grim now: SirBrownBear, Thanatiforos, me, Danibom, Overlord775, Anonimoe7875 (though this one seems a tad ambiguous, hence why I asked for clarification) and Kabi350.

 

[Cropfist]

Why was this removed?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Why was this removed?

Something-something 'KR isn't based on sins anymore'. I didn't realize that was the case until I stumbled into a reply I got on the last matchup additions thread, but whatever.

EDIT: I still think Grim wins here, albeit for slightly different reasons from before. All of Sans' attacks can be aimdodged, and as far as the Reaper himself goes, he still has at least three separate methods of one-shotting Sans via hax.

If Grim's allowed any number of the more potent items he has in his trunk, then this becomes a major stomp.

 

[Eldi_Osmenaj]

did grim win because i don't see any chance for sans