[GRACE] The Threshold of Evil Incarnate [0-0-5]

[Fernaine]

Two big bads shall meet today. The Progeny of Evil vs Rancour (The Battle for York Arc)

The AP gap is 29.90x

Both opponents start 50m away from each other in Times Square, New York City.
Speed equalised
The opponents have no prior knowledge of one another
Otherwise, SBA

"He was our guardian angel with an open wound, an angel of the oblivion." - 0
"I am, after all, a demon of my own creation." - 0
Incon - 5

 

[Yoriichi999]

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[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Two big bads shall meet today. The Progeny of Evil vs Rancour (The Battle for York Arc)

The AP gap is 29.90x

Both opponents start 50m away from each other in Times Square, New York City.
Speed equalised
The opponents have no prior knowledge of one another
Otherwise, SBA

"He was our guardian angel with an open wound, an angel of the oblivion." - 0
"I am, after all, a demon of my own creation." - 0
Incon - 0

I'll begin, Rancour is gonna open this battle out by assessing and quickly finding out he's out matched in strength, he's going to take the easy road and spam Spectral Slashes at TPOE to bring him down to his level, he'll likely begin gaining a speed advantage for this reason because the stat reductions and interference with TPOE's actual capacity to use his abilities will allow Rancour to cast his Dominion

 

[Fernaine]

I'll begin, Rancour is gonna open this battle out by assessing and quickly finding out he's out matched in strength, he's going to take the easy road and spam Spectral Slashes at TPOE to bring him down to his level, he'll likely begin gaining a speed advantage for this reason because the stat reductions and interference with TPOE's actual capacity to use his abilities will allow Rancour to cast his Dominion

The Progeny of Evil opens most battles by using Dissect to open his opponent and mess with their insides in any way he might see fit. Ideally, he just needs to point in Rancour's general direction to dissect his body. If Rancour remains in Montresor's field of vision, the spell will take effect. The Progeny doesn't necessarily need to get close to Rancour to attack either, due to his technique's effective range being tens of kilometers, and since as soon as Dissect is effective, he becomes able to control the insides of his victims remotely by means of telekinesis. It is possible to resist through willpower, but this would have to be comparable to or greater than the Progeny's, which is not an easy feat to achieve. Does he have any way of escaping this initial technique?

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

The Progeny of Evil opens most battles by using Dissect to open his opponent and mess with their insides in any way he might see fit. Ideally, he just needs to point in Rancour's general direction to dissect his body. If Rancour remains in Montresor's field of vision, the spell will take effect. The Progeny doesn't necessarily need to get close to Rancour to attack either, due to his technique's effective range being tens of kilometers, and since as soon as Dissect is effective, he becomes able to control the insides of his victims remotely by means of telekinesis. It is possible to resist through willpower, but this would have to be comparable to or greater than the Progeny's, which is not an easy feat to achieve. Does he have any way of escaping this initial technique?

Yes, Rancour can easily abandon his 'body' and create a new one via his regeneration and he has a willpower far beyond anything man is capable of - by leagues entirely unseen, he will never give up and his ego and constantly increasing power will net the dissect skill nothing, alongside the fact that he is nearly incapable of feeling pain.

With all this in mind he'd likely rush after Progeny once he casts dissect, as it either won't work, or he'll simply purify the effect. If neither of those scenarios take place, he'll just abandon his 'body' and regenerate it around his soul.

 

[Fernaine]

Yes, Rancour can easily abandon his 'body' and create a new one via his regeneration and he has a willpower far beyond anything man is capable of - by leagues entirely unseen, he will never give up and his ego and constantly increasing power will net the dissect skill nothing, alongside the fact that he is nearly incapable of feeling pain.

With all this in mind he'd likely rush after Progeny once he casts dissect, as it either won't work, or he'll simply purify the effect. If neither of those scenarios take place, he'll just abandon his 'body' and regenerate it around his soul.

I don't think abandoning the body would work unless he has a great resistance to paralysis to pass through the technique's suspended animation effect. As far as regeneration is concerned, Transcendentals in general have regeneration nullification at the Low-Godly level, with the Progeny being able to injure and surpass the healing of Lino, another Transcendental who embodies the concept of Solitude and has his immortality directly tied to it. All of a Transcendental's attacks ignore regeneration at that level.

As for willpower, having a Will above that of any human being isn't enough to set it on a par with Progeny, especially considering that all the sorcerers in The Firefly Chronicles, even the beginners, have willpower beyond human capabilities, and on the “level of will” scale:
Beginner Wizard >> Adept >> Low-Level War Golem >>> Master >>> High-Level War Golem (from here we're past the “characters who won't give up for anything” level) >>>> Grand Master >>>>>> Living Curses, Mythological Golems, and Matured Transcendentals (it is said that trying to drain the Will of a Transcendental is like trying to dry the ocean with a small bucket and a tissue, and the Progeny is pretty much the pinnacle of the verse in that regard).

His Will was so strong that it became toxic to anyone who got close to it (another thing that will be a problem for Rancour if he manages to get close, since Will in exacerbated concentrations, especially in the case of Montresor, can even liquefy the brain mass in a matter of moments when inhaled), and distorted space and the incoming light.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I don't think abandoning the body would work unless he has a great resistance to paralysis to pass through the technique's suspended animation effect. As far as regeneration is concerned, Transcendentals in general have regeneration nullification at the Low-Godly level, with the Progeny being able to injure and surpass the healing of Lino, another Transcendental who embodies the concept of Solitude and has his immortality directly tied to it. All of a Transcendental's attacks ignore regeneration at that level.

He does have an immense paralysis resistance through his adaptation (he adapted to Dæinvorol's poison which paralyses you on the conceptual level and makes you weaker whilst increasing the poison and paralysis, let alone the fact that he could simply purify these effects)
In regards to the regen, as long as his soul exists, he can regenerate damage dealt to him and he can't be dispersed unless you can conceptually erase him

As for willpower, having a Will above that of any human being isn't enough to set it on a par with Progeny, especially considering that all the sorcerers in The Firefly Chronicles, even the beginners, have willpower beyond human capabilities, and on the “level of will” scale:
Beginner Wizard >> Adept >> Low-Level War Golem >>> Master >>> High-Level War Golem (from here we're past the “characters who won't give up for anything” level) >>>> Grand Master >>>>>> Living Curses, Mythological Golems, and Matured Transcendentals (it is said that trying to drain the Will of a Transcendental is like trying to dry the ocean with a small bucket and a tissue, and the Progeny is pretty much the pinnacle of the verse in that regard).

To demonstrate the willpower behind Rancour, he was far FAR, and I mean near Transcendent to Lord Vallum before he even had his body in terms of his willpower, and Lord Vallum's willpower expresses itself on the world and can conceptually erase even those with incredible FAR BEYOND human willpower (he nearly erased Momo, who has feats of resisting and adapting to abilities that break his will at the conceptual level)
So Rancour >>>>>> Lord Vallum >>> A far more powerful Momo then at the point he adapted to a conceptual willpower break.

His Will was so strong that it became toxic to anyone who got close to it (another thing that will be a problem for Rancour if he manages to get close, since Will in exacerbated concentrations, especially in the case of Montresor, can even liquefy the brain mass in a matter of moments when inhaled), and distorted space and the incoming light.

Luckily for Rancour he doesnt actually have a body or parts of himself that can be physically damaged, he's a wraith, a soul-based being whom uses a puppet 'body' to interact with the real world, which is Momo, however he can manifest without him and whilst he is dead

To further add on to this, by the time Progeny tries these attacks, Rancour will already have started stat reducing him and may trap him into a Dominion by erecting a barrier around it. His slashes also stop you from using abilities which may dispel any of Progeny's aforementioned abilities.

 

[Fernaine]

He does have an immense paralysis resistance through his adaptation (he adapted to Dæinvorol's poison which paralyses you on the conceptual level and makes you weaker whilst increasing the poison and paralysis, let alone the fact that he could simply purify these effects)
In regards to the regen, as long as his soul exists, he can regenerate damage dealt to him and he can't be dispersed unless you can conceptually erase him

As I've already said, Transcendentals can destroy concepts and deny regeneration attached to them, just as they can wound the soul (and pass through resistance to soul manipulation), the body, and the mind. Passing through Rancour's regeneration wouldn't be a problem for Progeny.
Regarding resistance to paralysis, perhaps this is even worse for him than not having the resistance, since the absence of paralysis would only mean that suspended animation would not be able to stop the effect of the implosion of Rancour's body. The damage would be treated as if it occurred to an ordinary person because of the denial of regeneration, and it would be as if he were simply blown up from the inside out.

To demonstrate the willpower behind Rancour, he was far FAR, and I mean near Transcendent to Lord Vallum before he even had his body in terms of his willpower, and Lord Vallum's willpower expresses itself on the world and can conceptually erase even those with incredible FAR BEYOND human willpower (he nearly erased Momo, who has feats of resisting and adapting to abilities that break his will at the conceptual level)
So Rancour >>>>>> Lord Vallum >>> A far more powerful Momo then at the point he adapted to a conceptual willpower break

Don't think it would still be enough to fully resist the spell. It might mitigate the damage, but not outright stop the Progeny from using it or anything (especially considering the Progeny's willpower is considered transcendental even among transcendental, and he could elevate himself to the status of an Outer Creature mainly through it)

Luckily for Rancour he doesnt actually have a body or parts of himself that can be physically damaged, he's a wraith, a soul-based being whom uses a puppet 'body' to interact with the real world, which is Momo, however he can manifest without him and whilst he is dead

To further add on to this, by the time Progeny tries these attacks, Rancour will already have started stat reducing him and may trap him into a Dominion by erecting a barrier around it. His slashes also stop you from using abilities which may dispel any of Progeny's aforementioned abilities.

Transcendentals can interact with ghosts, souls, and similar entities like actual human beings. It is likely that instead of affecting the brain directly, it would just start to disintegrate his head through it.
His spells? Sure. But Grandmasters (and by a much greater extension, Transcendentals) are immune to power nullification when it comes to their Raw Will Abilities (Subjugation, Visualization, Pact Creation, and Raw Applications). His slashes are not stopping toxicity, Subjugation, and the Progeny's bodily techniques. Also, it is likely that he won't be able to get near the Progeny since waves of giant stillborns will begin to spawn from his iron dress and block the way like a wall of flesh (each of those stillborns carry similar amounts of toxicity within them).

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

As I've already said, Transcendentals can destroy concepts and deny regeneration attached to them, just as they can wound the soul (and pass through resistance to soul manipulation), the body, and the mind. Passing through Rancour's regeneration wouldn't be a problem for Progeny.
Regarding resistance to paralysis, perhaps this is even worse for him than not having the resistance, since the absence of paralysis would only mean that suspended animation would not be able to stop the effect of the implosion of Rancour's body. The damage would be treated as if it occurred to an ordinary person because of the denial of regeneration, and it would be as if he were simply blown up from the inside out.

In this case, Rancour would use Spectral Slashes or his Dominion to weaken and cut apart Progeny at the sub-atomic level, which would also cut him off from his powers and free Rancour

Don't think it would still be enough to fully resist the spell. It might mitigate the damage, but not outright stop the Progeny from using it or anything (especially considering the Progeny's willpower is considered transcendental even among transcendental, and he could elevate himself to the status of an Outer Creature mainly through it)

This may be true, however it would stop a great portion of the spell and make the ability to cut it off that much easier

Transcendentals can interact with ghosts, souls, and similar entities like actual human beings. It is likely that instead of affecting the brain directly, it would just start to disintegrate his head through it.
His spells? Sure. But Grandmasters (and by a much greater extension, Transcendentals) are immune to power nullification when it comes to their Raw Will Abilities (Subjugation, Visualization, Pact Creation, and Raw Applications). His slashes are not stopping toxicity, Subjugation, and the Progeny's bodily techniques. Also, it is likely that he won't be able to get near the Progeny since waves of giant stillborns will begin to spawn from his iron dress and block the way like a wall of flesh (each of those stillborns carry similar amounts of toxicity within them).

This is where Rancour could simply use Ethereal Flame and burn apart everything in the way (it can literally create an explosion of any potency he needs and Spectral Flame is incredible hard to dispel as it is Spectral Energy refined to a point where it can burn through existence itself). He could easily modify his slashes to cut through toxicity and could, if need be, create new abilities to counter anything needed, and again, he could open his Dominion to a range great enough to begin slashing Progeny.

 

[Fernaine]

In this case, Rancour would use Spectral Slashes or his Dominion to weaken and cut apart Progeny at the sub-atomic level, which would also cut him off from his powers and free Rancour

Eh, it would still open him and make pretty much every single thing inside him just fall to the ground. And even if he can regenerate (somehow, because his regen would be nullified), it would still be at a MUCH lower pace, and as soon as he moves one more step closer after being dissected, the Progeny would instantly use Subjugation to just desintegrate what's left of him through vibrations (if there's anything left, mind hax would still incapacitate since it did take effect even on Will Users who should be immune/extremely resistant to fear, mind, soul, and madness manipulation.

This may be true, however it would stop a great portion of the spell and make the ability to cut it off that much easier

To "greatly diminish" the effect of a Will Spell, you need to have willpower greater than that of the caster, which I'm still not convinced Rancour has. Otherwise, the resistance would be pretty mild.

This is where Rancour could simply use Ethereal Flame and burn apart everything in the way (it can literally create an explosion of any potency he needs and Spectral Flame is incredible hard to dispel as it is Spectral Energy refined to a point where it can burn through existence itself). He could easily modify his slashes to cut through toxicity and could, if need be, create new abilities to counter anything needed, and again, he could open his Dominion to a range great enough to begin slashing Progeny.

As soon as he senses his minions dying, his instinctive action should instantly make him use Subjugation to dispell/reflect the attack (if Noah, the herald of the Entity of Inevitable Death, was certain that Montresor could dispell a slash imbued with the Venom of the Ashen Serpent [extremely specific nonexistent essence that can erase the mind, body, soul, concept, and narrative of everything it hits] from him, then it should surely dispell Rancour's attack) and hit Rancour point-blank (distance = strength of the effect). I don't think he would have time to gain new abilities when the Progeny is pretty much the character to spam every single ability at once until there's nothing left of the threat (when he senses the opponent as a threat, which would be the case here): he will use Dissect, then use Subjugation, then jump what's left with his stillborns, then use his tail to ensure that his enemy is truly beyond regenerating, then finally (or sooner) absorb the particles in the air so he can truly erase whatever's essence, concept, mind, or soul is left in the area.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Eh, it would still open him and make pretty much every single thing inside him just fall to the ground. And even if he can regenerate (somehow, because his regen would be nullified), it would still be at a MUCH lower pace, and as soon as he moves one more step closer after being dissected, the Progeny would instantly use Subjugation to just desintegrate what's left of him through vibrations (if there's anything left, mind hax would still incapacitate since it did take effect even on Will Users who should be immune/extremely resistant to fear, mind, soul, and madness manipulation.

His regenerative system are resistant to being overridden so idk how that would interact with the nullification. Disintegrating him wouldn't be useful as again he wouldve already began spamming slashes or simply wouldve opened his Dominion which would instantly stat reduce Progeny to the point of being below him in speed and power AND it would cut off the powers he had active because there's a constant flow of insta-hit slashes slicing him apart at the sub-atomic level and negating his powers.

To "greatly diminish" the effect of a Will Spell, you need to have willpower greater than that of the caster, which I'm still not convinced Rancour has. Otherwise, the resistance would be pretty mild.

I would say hes at least an equal, his feats of willpower in his TBFY form simply outweigh most characters inverse and these are people who can resist and entirely adapt to powers that dominate you and break your will conceptually. In this case Momo then ADAPTED to this phenomenon, gaining a willpower even stronger then before THEN gained a 10x multiplier on all his stats, which includes mental stats which includes willpower, he then was entirely broken and destroyed by Vallum's willpower which is unfathomably superior to his, and Rancour's is a large margin superior to his, I think calling them equals is the least justice you could do to him.

As soon as he senses his minions dying, his instinctive action should instantly make him use Subjugation to dispell/reflect the attack (if Noah, the herald of the Entity of Inevitable Death, was certain that Montresor could dispell a slash imbued with the Venom of the Ashen Serpent [extremely specific nonexistent essence that can erase the mind, body, soul, concept, and narrative of everything it hits] from him, then it should surely dispell Rancour's attack) and hit Rancour point-blank (distance = strength of the effect). I don't think he would have time to gain new abilities when the Progeny is pretty much the character to spam every single ability at once until there's nothing left of the threat (when he senses the opponent as a threat, which would be the case here): he will use Dissect, then use Subjugation, then jump what's left with his stillborns, then use his tail to ensure that his enemy is truly beyond regenerating, then finally (or sooner) absorb the particles in the air so he can truly erase whatever's essence, concept, mind, or soul is left in the area.

Ethereal Flame is oneshot, it'll kill the minions before the IA can activate and you can't reflect burning. And for everything else, Rancour will spam Spectral Dominion and allat so I'm not sure how Progeny is surviving literally next to infinite slashes

 

[Fernaine]

His regenerative system are resistant to being overridden so idk how that would interact with the nullification. Disintegrating him wouldn't be useful as again he wouldve already began spamming slashes or simply wouldve opened his Dominion which would instantly stat reduce Progeny to the point of being below him in speed and power AND it would cut off the powers he had active because there's a constant flow of insta-hit slashes slicing him apart at the sub-atomic level and negating his powers.

Well, his page doesn't list regeneration nullification resistance (since he apparently just gains it in the Reincarnated key) but says he can regenerate unless his bound concepts exist, and if Dissect isn't enough to destroy that (due to equal willpower, but while not being an instant kill anymore, it would still cause some serious damage), Subjugation surely will since it isn't bound to the rules Will Spells have. AP gap through vibrations + enhanced regen nullification (it can bypass the effects of support spells that protect the regeneration of an individual, which should still bypass regen nullification resistance), greatly enhanced fear and madness manipulation (in raw output, the Progeny is comparable to Outer Creatures, which are superior to most Transcendentals, which in turn are superior to Grandmasters, who are superior to Masters, and so on), and non-physical interaction should at the very least incapacitate him if not just destroy him completely (this is at the beginning of the battle, so there's not really much time for him to adapt, and the Progeny really doesn't need to do anything to activate Subjugation other than think; hell, it may even activate on its own as soon as Rancour moves due to IA and the Progeny's instability).

I would say hes at least an equal, his feats of willpower in his TBFY form simply outweigh most characters inverse and these are people who can resist and entirely adapt to powers that dominate you and break your will conceptually. In this case Momo then ADAPTED to this phenomenon, gaining a willpower even stronger then before THEN gained a 10x multiplier on all his stats, which includes mental stats which includes willpower, he then was entirely broken and destroyed by Vallum's willpower which is unfathomably superior to his, and Rancour's is a large margin superior to his, I think calling them equals is the least justice you could do to him.

Fair enough, although I still think his willpower should be higher due to Self-Will Production (Will is essentially conscience and willpower in the form of particles, and the Progeny evolved to become capable of producing near-boundless amounts of those through his anomalous body; that's where his toxicity comes from).

Ethereal Flame is oneshot, it'll kill the minions before the IA can activate and you can't reflect burning. And for everything else, Rancour will spam Spectral Dominion and allat so I'm not sure how Progeny is surviving literally next to infinite slashes

It may not reflect burning, but the things that are burning. The shockwave should just repel anything around Montresor in an area of at least one kilometer (if not much higher). And again, if it can reflect a nonexistent attack that has pretty much the same effect as Ethereal Flame, I don't see why it couldn't reflect burning (especially since the Progeny can interact with abstract concepts and the like, and you said it is highly difficult, not outright impossible). Also, Subjugation specifically has infinite speed (both for IA/Activation and Expansion), and as I said, he probably won't activate it after Rancour uses his attack, but probably right at the beginning of the battle (or at the very latest soon after being encapsulated by his stillborns). Even if the Progeny is grievously injured/killed by the Etheral Flame, his self-producing Will should still liberate one last amplified blast of Subjugation, which would most likely turn this into an incon.

 

[Yoriichi999]

I don't know how Minamoto could beat Spicta/The evil progenitor without me updating his profile.

 

[Fernaine]

It may not reflect burning, but the things that are burning. The shockwave should just repel anything around Montresor in an area of at least one kilometer (if not much higher). And again, if it can reflect a nonexistent attack, I don't see why it couldn't reflect burning (especially since the Progeny can interact with abstract concepts and the like, and you said it is highly difficult, not outright impossible). Also, Subjugation specifically has infinite speed (both for activation and dispersion), and as I said, he probably won't activate it after Rancour uses his attack, but probably right at the beginning of the battle (or at the very latest soon after being encapsulated by his stillborns). Even if the Progeny is grievously injured/killed by the Etheral Flame, his self-producing Will should still liberate one last amplified blast of Subjugation, which would most likely turn this into an incon.

Also, now that I notice, even with Spectral Arrow and thousands of attacks being launched at him, the Progeny should still resist due to resistance to Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation (Raw Will ability, so it resists power nullification; at least initially due to Statistics Reduction, but that would likely be enough time for him to activate Subjugation, and Spectral Dominion does not seem to have any way of bypassing his regeneration fast enough to incapacitate him)

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Well, his page doesn't list regeneration nullification resistance (since he apparently just gains it in the Reincarnated key) but says he can regenerate unless his bound concepts exist, and if Dissect isn't enough to destroy that (due to equal willpower, but while not being an instant kill anymore, it would still cause some serious damage), Subjugation surely will since it isn't bound to the rules Will Spells have. AP gap through vibrations + enhanced regen nullification (it can bypass the effects of support spells that protect the regeneration of an individual, which should still bypass regen nullification resistance), greatly enhanced fear and madness manipulation (in raw output, the Progeny is comparable to Outer Creatures, which are superior to most Transcendentals, which in turn are superior to Grandmasters, who are superior to Masters, and so on), and non-physical interaction should at the very least incapacitate him if not just destroy him completely (this is at the beginning of the battle, so there's not really much time for him to adapt, and the Progeny really doesn't need to do anything to activate Subjugation other than think; hell, it may even activate on its own as soon as Rancour moves due to IA and the Progeny's instability).

I haven't ENTIRELY updated Rancour's page, my apologies I've been too busy overhauling Raúl and Takahiro + writing and the cosmology that I entirely forgot a few abilities he has.

By the time all these spells are being casted, Spectral Dominion is already cutting him apart at full intensity, leaving Rancour free as can be.

Fair enough, although I still think his willpower should be higher due to Self-Will Production (Will is essentially conscience and willpower in the form of particles, and the Progeny evolved to become capable of producing near-boundless amounts of those through his anomalous body; that's where his toxicity comes from).

I see, this may be a problem for Rancour but he is likely to offset this by modifying his slashes to bypass and specifically cut through toxicity since hed know thats a large detriment to him if left unchecked.

It may not reflect burning, but the things that are burning. The shockwave should just repel anything around Montresor in an area of at least one kilometer (if not much higher). And again, if it can reflect a nonexistent attack that has pretty much the same effect as Ethereal Flame, I don't see why it couldn't reflect burning (especially since the Progeny can interact with abstract concepts and the like, and you said it is highly difficult, not outright impossible). Also, Subjugation specifically has infinite speed (both for IA/Activation and Expansion), and as I said, he probably won't activate it after Rancour uses his attack, but probably right at the beginning of the battle (or at the very latest soon after being encapsulated by his stillborns). Even if the Progeny is grievously injured/killed by the Etheral Flame, his self-producing Will should still liberate one last amplified blast of Subjugation, which would most likely turn this into an incon.

I reckon by the time Progeny attempts to actually pull off the reflections or such, it would already be over due to his Dominion amplifying his statistics by 50%, giving his Ethereal Flame another major boost alongside raining down sure-hit slashes that have 50% more potency than normal and apply their effects faster.

Also, now that I notice, even with Spectral Arrow and thousands of attacks being launched at him, the Progeny should still resist due to resistance to Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation (Raw Will ability, so it resists power nullification; at least initially due to Statistics Reduction, but that would likely be enough time for him to activate Subjugation, and Spectral Dominion does not seem to have any way of bypassing his regeneration fast enough to incapacitate him)

Spectral Dominion would rain down tens of thousands of attacks per every passing moment, so he's stat reducing Progeny into the ground and keeping his abilities from being accessible.

 

[Fernaine]

I haven't ENTIRELY updated Rancour's page, my apologies I've been too busy overhauling Raúl and Takahiro + writing and the cosmology that I entirely forgot a few abilities he has.

By the time all these spells are being casted, Spectral Dominion is already cutting him apart at full intensity, leaving Rancour free as can be.

It's fine, but again, even if he has resistance to regeneration nullification, the one that the Progeny of Evil has should still bypass it, and as I said, he most likely would not have time to cast Spectral Dominion or anything due to Subjugation simply activating on its own at Infinite speed (And looking at his page again, I don't know how it would work because sorcerers in your verse seem to at least visually follow the same thing that sorcerers in Jujutsu Kaisen do where, as far as I saw about that verse, they need to talk the Domain's name/do a Hand Sign for it to happen [at least for most characters; if that's not the case and they can just activate it in the half-span of thought, then that's fine, but "Spectral Dominion, Sanctum of the Vengeful." in his page somewhat confuses me , and if that's something you'll address in an update, we should still use the versions of the characters we have at hand right now imo]) and the Progeny only needing to point to enact Dissect (both abilities that he can use at the same time + Stillborns just launching themselves at his direction as soon as the battle starts). Also, it's not like he's getting instantly evaporated after being caught in the Dominion so fast that he cannot use any of his abilities, and thousands of slashes cutting him down would barely make him flinch due to willpower.

I see, this may be a problem for Rancour but he is likely to offset this by modifying his slashes to bypass and specifically cut through toxicity since hed know thats a large detriment to him if left unchecked.

Toxicity is not the main problem; Dissect is (I mean, toxicity still is a problem since it would affect his non-physical body [it would pretty much overfeed his body with consciousness, which would start corroding his mind], especially if the Progeny decides to evoke a Will Storm, but I don't think the battle would last enough for him to do that).

I reckon by the time Progeny attempts to actually pull off the reflections or such, it would already be over due to his Dominion amplifying his statistics by 50%, giving his Ethereal Flame another major boost alongside raining down sure-hit slashes that have 50% more potency than normal and apply their effects faster.

Reflection comes at the same time as vibrations, which would come at the same time as Subjugation, which would already have been activated by the time he uses Dominion or Ethereal Flame (even if he does not think of using it for some reason as soon as Rancour begins moving and the Progeny's Will starts telling him that something's wrong, IA is still fast enough to just subconsciously activate it for him, which happens at least once as soon as his Will detects he is in grave danger [as soon as the battle starts, essentially]).

Spectral Dominion would rain down tens of thousands of attacks per every passing moment, so he's stat reducing Progeny into the ground and keeping his abilities from being accessible.

If it actually hits the Progeny, it sure is something that would f him up, but even with Statistics Reduction, he would have no way of bypassing the Progeny's regen initially (as far as I know), and as I said, Subjugation and Raw Will Manipulation should still be safe from being nullified due to resistance (and even if you reduce his stats to oblivion, greatly enhanced madness manipulation from Subjugation would still incap him).

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

It's fine, but again, even if he has resistance to regeneration nullification, the one that the Progeny of Evil has should still bypass it, and as I said, he most likely would not have time to cast Spectral Dominion or anything due to Subjugation simply activating on its own at Infinite speed (And looking at his page again, I don't know how it would work because sorcerers in your verse seem to at least visually follow the same thing that sorcerers in Jujutsu Kaisen do where, as far as I saw about that verse, they need to talk the Domain's name/do a Hand Sign for it to happen [at least for most characters; if that's not the case and they can just activate it in the half-span of thought, then that's fine, but "Spectral Dominion, Sanctum of the Vengeful." in his page somewhat confuses me , and if that's something you'll address in an update, we should still use the versions of the characters we have at hand right now imo]) and the Progeny only needing to point to enact Dissect (both abilities that he can use at the same time + Stillborns just launching themselves at his direction as soon as the battle starts). Also, it's not like he's getting instantly evaporated after being caught in the Dominion so fast that he cannot use any of his abilities, and thousands of slashes cutting him down would barely make him flinch due to willpower.

I mean he doesn't have to chant it by all necessity he has activated it off of Instinct, but these thousands of slashes hitting him every second are going to stat reduce him and nullify his abilities

Toxicity is not the main problem; Dissect is (I mean, toxicity still is a problem since it would affect his non-physical body [it would pretty much overfeed his body with consciousness, which would start corroding his mind], especially if the Progeny decides to evoke a Will Storm, but I don't think the battle would last enough for him to do that).

Again Dissect wouldn't be able to be used if he's receiving a constant stream of power nullification and stat reductions will slowly net Progeny's AP below his own and then he's gonna slam him with an Ethereal Flame.

Reflection comes at the same time as vibrations, which would come at the same time as Subjugation, which would already have been activated by the time he uses Dominion or Ethereal Flame (even if he does not think of using it for some reason as soon as Rancour begins moving and the Progeny's Will starts telling him that something's wrong, IA is still fast enough to just subconsciously activate it for him, which happens at least once as soon as his Will detects he is in grave danger [as soon as the battle starts, essentially]).

Even so, Rancour may decide once he analyses Progeny to make it quick, but I'm not sure.

If it actually hits the Progeny, it sure is something that would f him up, but even with Statistics Reduction, he would have no way of bypassing the Progeny's regen initially (as far as I know), and as I said, Subjugation and Raw Will Manipulation should still be safe from being nullified due to resistance (and even if you reduce his stats to oblivion, greatly enhanced madness manipulation from Subjugation would still incap him).

I mean the power null separates you and your power system entirely, like it directly cuts you off from the source. Unless you have crazy Purification or resistance to being separated from your power source, you're not getting away.

The Madness Manipulation isn't gonna be able to stop Rancour, he's dealt with Madness Manipulation and simply laughed at its user despite the power of the madness attacks being superior to his own at that time

 

[Rayfire]

Following

 

[Fernaine]

I mean he doesn't have to chant it by all necessity he has activated it off of Instinct, but these thousands of slashes hitting him every second are going to stat reduce him and nullify his abilities

Even so, Rancour may decide once he analyses Progeny to make it quick, but I'm not sure.

I think we're starting to go in circles on this subject since I've already kind of answered this and explained why "Rancour analyzes the Progeny and diminishes his strength with slashes" is not going to happen because it requires a finitely small amount of time to be pulled off. To nullify his abilities and hit him with those thousands of statistic reducing slashes, Rancour needs to use Spectral Dominion (or at least use his slashes separately if he can do that), and to use that, dude needs to at least think about doing it, and to reach through his slashes the desired level where the Progeny's strength is lower than that of Rancour, it would take an even greater small amount of time. The issue at hand is that as soon as the battle start, like literally as soon as the timer is at 0, the Progeny's destabilized Will would immediately detect that he's in danger and act on its own to protect him (Something that happened in his battle against Beathan when his Will detected that he would soon be in grave danger; at the zero instant where he was about to be subjugated in quantities, like an atomic bomb, a flash simply manifested itself in a ten kilometer area and eliminated all his problems at once. It is something that is assured to happen at least once due to this "Nematocyst Effect" of Will Particles), which in turn would activate Subjugation at the same instant, an omnidirectional wave of Infinite speed that would not only create a shockwave that is nearly thirty times more powerful than Rancour's durability (which would destroy his body), but also would negate any durability left through internal damage (Which should at the very least destabilize Rancour's body because of his physiology and the Progeny's non-physical interaction) and madness manipulation, would nullify his regeneration, and finally incapacitate him, even if only for a moment (that if he simply doesn't die instantly from all that just happened), which would in turn give time to a now conscious Progeny that would willingly use Dissect (he should already have lifted his finger by the time Rancour gets exploded since Dissect is his conscious opening move) to just erase/crush any part of Rancour that may be left just scattered in the air. Dominion is a hell of a wincon but would not work for the sole fact that Rancour not only needs time to analyze something (even if for a minimum amount of time), but Subjugation's activation is much faster. By the time he analyzes the Progeny to access he's physically outmatched and thinks it's a good idea to use his ultimate move, he would already be scattered particles in the air with no way to actually regenerate or form a rational thought (and even if he has IA too, the Progeny's should still be faster).

I mean the power null separates you and your power system entirely, like it directly cuts you off from the source. Unless you have crazy Purification or resistance to being separated from your power source, you're not getting away.

The Madness Manipulation isn't gonna be able to stop Rancour, he's dealt with Madness Manipulation and simply laughed at its user despite the power of the madness attacks being superior to his own at that time

Will, as an already purified energy, should be outright immune to purification unless you take the energy in its anomalous state (which is not the energy the Progeny uses in its attacks). You can ignore this since I'm pretty sure it's not on the page yet, and also because, imo, he would not have time to activate Dominion, but it is still important to note. The Venom of the Ashen Serpent can also sever the bond between essences and energies, and according to its own user, a Progeny conscious of the attack should be still capable of dismantling it through Subjugation.

I mean, Grandmasters can do pretty much the same to an already enhanced madness manipulation in my verse (just walk through it while laughing like nothing), and they still get mad once in contact with the Subjugation of someone like the Progeny or Aribeth. It is a madness equal to those of outer creatures (pretty much eldritch gods but fauna), and should be immensely superior to those of Newborn Transcendentals which are superior to Grandmasters, which are superior to Masters, which are superior to most Golems, which are superior to Adepts, and finally, superior to beginners. It IS something that will affect (if only for a short period of time) someone who is extremely resistant to madness manipulation unless they are outright immune to it. That and the other reasons above are why I'm inclined toward Progeny of Evil FRA.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I think we're starting to go in circles on this subject since I've already kind of answered this and explained why "Rancour analyzes the Progeny and diminishes his strength with slashes" is not going to happen because it requires a finitely small amount of time to be pulled off. To nullify his abilities and hit him with those thousands of statistic reducing slashes, Rancour needs to use Spectral Dominion (or at least use his slashes separately if he can do that), and to use that, dude needs to at least think about doing it, and to reach through his slashes the desired level where the Progeny's strength is lower than that of Rancour, it would take an even greater small amount of time. The issue at hand is that as soon as the battle start, like literally as soon as the timer is at 0, the Progeny's destabilized Will would immediately detect that he's in danger and act on its own to protect him (Something that happened in his battle against Beathan when his Will detected that he would soon be in grave danger; at the zero instant where he was about to be subjugated in quantities, like an atomic bomb, a flash simply manifested itself in a ten kilometer area and eliminated all his problems at once. It is something that is assured to happen at least once due to this "Nematocyst Effect" of Will Particles), which in turn would activate Subjugation at the same instant, an omnidirectional wave of Infinite speed that would not only create a shockwave that is nearly thirty times more powerful than Rancour's durability (which would destroy his body), but also would negate any durability left through internal damage (Which should at the very least destabilize Rancour's body because of his physiology and the Progeny's non-physical interaction) and madness manipulation, would nullify his regeneration, and finally incapacitate him, even if only for a moment (that if he simply doesn't die instantly from all that just happened), which would in turn give time to a now conscious Progeny that would willingly use Dissect (he should already have lifted his finger by the time Rancour gets exploded since Dissect is his conscious opening move) to just erase/crush any part of Rancour that may be left just scattered in the air. Dominion is a hell of a wincon but would not work for the sole fact that Rancour not only needs time to analyze something (even if for a minimum amount of time), but Subjugation's activation is much faster. By the time he analyzes the Progeny to access he's physically outmatched and thinks it's a good idea to use his ultimate move, he would already be scattered particles in the air with no way to actually regenerate or form a rational thought (and even if he has IA too, the Progeny's should still be faster).

Will, as an already purified energy, should be outright immune to purification unless you take the energy in its anomalous state (which is not the energy the Progeny uses in its attacks). You can ignore this since I'm pretty sure it's not on the page yet, and also because, imo, he would not have time to activate Dominion, but it is still important to note. The Venom of the Ashen Serpent can also sever the bond between essences and energies, and according to its own user, a Progeny conscious of the attack should be still capable of dismantling it through Subjugation.

I mean, Grandmasters can do pretty much the same to an already enhanced madness manipulation in my verse (just walk through it while laughing like nothing), and they still get mad once in contact with the Subjugation of someone like the Progeny or Aribeth. It is a madness equal to those of outer creatures (pretty much eldritch gods but fauna), and should be immensely superior to those of Newborn Transcendentals which are superior to Grandmasters, which are superior to Masters, which are superior to most Golems, which are superior to Adepts, and finally, superior to beginners. It IS something that will affect (if only for a short period of time) someone who is extremely resistant to madness manipulation unless they are outright immune to it. That and the other reasons above are why I'm inclined toward Progeny of Evil FRA.

I can agree to all of this, however I still believe that as soon as Rancour is hit by an attack he would spare legitimately zero time (noticing his body is now entirely gone) and open his Dominion (with his entire soul destroyed he was still able to open one via his conceptual bonds and essence which are type 1 and 3 concepts), I honestly think it'd be incon because there is zero chance that Rancour doesn't get a chance to open a Dominion even without chants since those just raise the output of the Dominion, the legitimate instant he realises hes outmatched hes going to think "hes strong, best to end this quickly" and open a Dominion, sticking to his character, he'd likely open a barrierless dominion since it raises the power and range of the dominion's effects.

Purification wise it's sort of just will vs Spectral Energy which I think we could just call at equal and say they stalemate since both are all encompassing energy systems that are fsr higher than any of the abilities brought to bare.

He's definitely not immune to Madness Manipulation but you'd have to be able to literally pull his being apart to drive him mad in any way because people have tried all sorts of mental attacks on him and he's shrugged them off without issue, it's made pretty clear his mind is an absolute fortress and he has never lost his fighting spirit and because of all the reasons I stated for his supernatural willpower you can understand why that gives him another layer of protection against madness

 

[Fernaine]

I can agree to all of this, however I still believe that as soon as Rancour is hit by an attack he would spare legitimately zero time (noticing his body is now entirely gone) and open his Dominion (with his entire soul destroyed he was still able to open one via his conceptual bonds and essence which are type 1 and 3 concepts), I honestly think it'd be incon because there is zero chance that Rancour doesn't get a chance to open a Dominion even without chants since those just raise the output of the Dominion, the legitimate instant he realises hes outmatched hes going to think "hes strong, best to end this quickly" and open a Dominion, sticking to his character, he'd likely open a barrierless dominion since it raises the power and range of the dominion's effects.

Purification wise it's sort of just will vs Spectral Energy which I think we could just call at equal and say they stalemate since both are all encompassing energy systems that are fsr higher than any of the abilities brought to bare.

He's definitely not immune to Madness Manipulation but you'd have to be able to literally pull his being apart to drive him mad in any way because people have tried all sorts of mental attacks on him and he's shrugged them off without issue, it's made pretty clear his mind is an absolute fortress and he has never lost his fighting spirit and because of all the reasons I stated for his supernatural willpower you can understand why that gives him another layer of protection against madness

Fair enough with the Dominion and equal power systems. I'll keep my vote for the Progeny of Evil for the moment due to faster ability projection and being able to kill concept-linked beings, but if other voters interpret this situation as inconclusive (the two obliterate each other lol), I wouldn't see it as something absurd, since it's a plausible proposal. Are you going to vote incon?

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Fair enough with the Dominion and equal power systems. I'll keep my vote for the Progeny of Evil for the moment due to faster ability projection, but if other voters interpret this situation as inconclusive (the two obliterate each other lol), I wouldn't see it as something absurd, since it's a very plausible proposal. This fight as a whole is pretty evenly matched IMO. Are you going to vote incon?

Yeah I'm voting incon because I honestly just see them both destroying one another at the most fundamental levels

 

[Yoriichi999]

I think that whilst Progeny of Evil could win due to precog, the Dominion's hax counters that. I will vote inconclusive but if not, then Rancour wins with extremely high diff.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I think that whilst Progeny of Evil could win due to precog, the Dominion's hax counters that. I will vote inconclusive but if not, then Rancour wins with extremely high diff.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Incon 9/10 times but 1/10 Rancour is winning. If Rancour's IA detects he may be destroyed, it would choose to open the Dominion and it would tear apart Progeny faster than he is torn apart.

But it really depends on if the Dominion kills before or as Rancour dies, then again, he has Abstract Existence T2 via being a wraith so idrk

 

[Yoriichi999]

If Rancour survives the dominion, he wins only via abstract existence

 

[Fernaine]

I think that whilst Progeny of Evil could win due to precog, the Dominion's hax counters that. I will vote inconclusive but if not, then Rancour wins with extremely high diff.

I don't really think that, even with the Dominion Hax, Rancour would be able to win. The Progeny of Evil has IA (precog just gives you science about something that will soon happen, but does not automate said action for you; IA, which the Progeny also has, does both at the same time) that would just automate Subjugation at infinite speed as soon as the battle starts, and the fact that Rancour could pull off a Dominion while dying is pretty debatable since Subjugation wouldn't be an ability that would destroy just a part of his soul or gradually erase his concept; it is a shockwave that would pretty much destroy all of him at once (it would pretty much be the same as a normal human being being hit by an attack of that caliber; Rancour being able to survive the initial blast is not really something I can see happening, and like I said, Subjugation, if not destroying all of his essence, would probably incapacitate him for at least half a second and give time for the Progeny to finish with Dissect). Also abstract existence is not saving him when the Progeny (and other Transcendentals) can potentially kill someone with it (Lino).
I can't see how Rancour could win (Incon is possible) since, again, even if he does activate Dominion post-mortem (the speed in which he would be obliterated would bypass that), it would not be able to bypass his regen for a while and the Progeny could maybe just escape it as soon as his Will warns him with no one trying to keep him in.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I don't really think that, even with the Dominion Hax, Rancour would be able to win. The Progeny of Evil does not have precog (precog just gives you science about something that will soon happen, but does not automate said action for you; IA, which the Progeny has, does both at the same time), he has IA that would just automate Subjugation at infinite speed as soon as the battle starts, and the fact that Rancour could pull off a Dominion while dying is pretty debatable since Subjugation wouldn't be an ability that would destroy just a part of his soul or gradually erase his concept; it is a shockwave that would pretty much destroy all of him at once (it would pretty much be the same as a normal human being being hit by an attack of that caliber; Rancour being able to survive the initial blast is not really something I can see happening, and like I said, Subjugation, if not destroying all of his essence, would probably incapacitate him for at least half a second and give time for the Progeny to finish with Dissect). Also abstract existence is not saving him when the Progeny (and other Transcendentals) can potentially kill someone with it (Lino).
I can't see how Rancour could win (Incon is possible) since, again, even if he does activate Dominion post-mortem (the speed in which he would be obliterated would bypass that), it would not be able to bypass his regen for a while and the Progeny could just escape it with no one trying to keep him in.

See but the problem is they both have IA, so they'll both get hit by their attacks at once, also I don't see the Subjugation wave breaking his conceptual bonds since Raúl's Dominion (which has multiple layers of conceptual hax WITH a Median which has the same level) couldn't even break his conceptual bonds because of his connection to them, it's also multiple concepts, which likely cannot be Multi targeted anyways (I might also add his conceptual bonds don't exist within his being until you break him down to his most fundamental levels, so layers even beyond T3 concepts)

His concepts could revive him on the spot (this has happened twice), as killing him is impossible as he is deathless so Rancour's Dominion will open the second his IA senses danger.

So Rancour would likely just stay alive the entire time as 'death' never actually happens to him, his concepts sorta just need to jump-start him.

 

[Yoriichi999]

That still means Rancour wins woth extreme diff

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

That still means Rancour wins woth extreme diff

Yeah, imma say Rancour FRA

 

[Fernaine]

See but the problem is they both have IA, so they'll both get hit by their attacks at once, also I don't see the Subjugation wave breaking his conceptual bonds since Raúl's Dominion (which has multiple layers of conceptual hax WITH a Median which has the same level) couldn't even break his conceptual bonds because of his connection to them, it's also multiple concepts, which likely cannot be Multi targeted anyways (I might also add his conceptual bonds don't exist within his being until you break him down to his most fundamental levels, so layers even beyond T3 concepts)

His concepts could revive him on the spot (this has happened twice), as killing him is impossible as he is deathless so Rancour's Dominion will open the second his IA senses danger.

So Rancour would likely just stay alive the entire time as 'death' never actually happens to him, his concepts sorta just need to jump-start him.

I mean, there's a difference between their IAs in the fact that, while I don't know how fast Rancour's is (it does not seem to be as fast as the Progeny's), the Progeny's follows the same speed as Subjugation (Infinite) and would not allow any time for Rancour to actually activate any ability.
Also, I don't ser why it wouldn't affect Rancour when his attacks were attacking an entity with pretty much the same Abstract Existece and Resurrection capabilities. By abilities he should just bypass Rancour's immortality completely, and being "deathless" should not save him from that (I mean, in-lore Transcendentals are also deathless in the eyes of mortals). If he's deathless because of concepts, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's deathless because of resurrection, the Progeny can bypass that, if he's deathless because of regen, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's truly deathless, then this fight should not even be happening.

 

[Fernaine]

I mean, there's a difference between their IAs in the fact that, while I don't know how fast Rancour's is (it does not seem to be as fast as the Progeny's), the Progeny's follows the same speed as Subjugation (Infinite) and would not allow any time for Rancour to actually activate any ability.
Also, I don't ser why it wouldn't affect Rancour when his attacks were attacking an entity with pretty much the same Abstract Existece and Resurrection capabilities. By abilities he should just bypass Rancour's immortality completely, and being "deathless" should not save him from that (I mean, in-lore Transcendentals are also deathless in the eyes of mortals). If he's deathless because of concepts, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's deathless because of resurrection, the Progeny can bypass that, if he's deathless because of regen, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's truly deathless, then this fight should not even be happening.

And again, I still don't see how exactly Dominion would kill the Progeny before he just gets away from it.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I mean, there's a difference between their IAs in the fact that, while I don't know how fast Rancour's is (it does not seem to be as fast as the Progeny's), the Progeny's follows the same speed as Subjugation (Infinite) and would not allow any time for Rancour to actually activate any ability.
Also, I don't ser why it wouldn't affect Rancour when his attacks were attacking an entity with pretty much the same Abstract Existece and Resurrection capabilities. By abilities he should just bypass Rancour's immortality completely, and being "deathless" should not save him from that (I mean, in-lore Transcendentals are also deathless in the eyes of mortals). If he's deathless because of concepts, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's deathless because of resurrection, the Progeny can bypass that, if he's deathless because of regen, the Progeny can bypass that. If he's truly deathless, then this fight should not even be happening.

Rancour's IA would be instant too. What I'm saying is, getting to his conceptual bonds is nigh-impossible unless you can trap him in one place and directly interact with the concepts.

I'm not exactly sure how you can interact with his immortality? If you can't destroy/cut his conceptual bonds then it is impossible to truly kill him, since there's no bypassing entire concepts unless you can interact with them and change them.

He's truly deathless so long as he's conceptually bound, without them he'll die after erasure like any other being.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

And again, I still don't see how exactly Dominion would kill the Progeny before he just gets away from it.

Because it would weaken him INCREDIBLY quickly, we're talking instantaneous attacks that rain down to the point of making him unable to move by the time he tries to escape.

 

[Fernaine]

Rancour's IA would be instant too. What I'm saying is, getting to his conceptual bonds is nigh-impossible unless you can trap him in one place and directly interact with the concepts.

I'm not exactly sure how you can interact with his immortality? If you can't destroy/cut his conceptual bonds then it is impossible to truly kill him, since there's no bypassing entire concepts unless you can interact with them and change them.

He's truly deathless so long as he's conceptually bound, without them he'll die after erasure like any other being.

Dear lord the Progeny can destroy his conceptual bonds, it's literally how Transcendentals are capable of interacting and defeating eachother

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Dear lord the Progeny can destroy his conceptual bonds, it's literally how Transcendentals are capable of interacting and defeating eachother

He can interact with multiple concepts at once?

 

[Fernaine]

He can interact with multiple concepts at once?

Yes. Lino is a Transcendental that embodied mainly Solitude, but also time, perseverance, aging, among others, and his fellow Transcendentals can hurt (and potentially kill) him just fine.

 

[Fernaine]

Because it would weaken him INCREDIBLY quickly, we're talking instantaneous attacks that rain down to the point of making him unable to move by the time he tries to escape.

If it is truly instantaneous, then it should still be incon.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Yes. Lino is a Transcendental that embodied mainly Solitude, but also time, perseverance, aging, among others, and his fellow Transcendentals can hurt (and potentially kill) him just fine.

And to clarify if they are on a separate and entirely unreachable plane, still can?

 

[Fernaine]

And to clarify if they are on a separate and entirely unreachable plane, still can?

Yup. Concepts in The Firefly Chronicles inhabit an inaccessible plane completely separate from the Cosmic Ecosystem.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Yup. Concepts in The Firefly Chronicles inhabit a inaccessible plane completely separate from the Cosmic Ecosystem.

It's possible this goes to incon, however I might add all of these concepts are separate from one another so I don't see how one attack can each all of them simultaneously, it's not like he embodies these concepts, he's linked to them and gains abilities from them but it is incredibly hard to interact with them without specifically reaching them