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Goku vs Ness

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Agreed with Hue and Cal as well.
 
Well, he fused with the Universe, so Goku would have to destroy the entire Universe to really kill Ness, and I don't think that be in character.
 
That was then remember goku has gotten 10 times stronger from kaio ken and before you say beerus was going to die from that no old Kai was basing on the fact beerus was using his full power when fighting goku but he wasn't as later beerus does use "100 precent" to nullify goku's kamehameha wave. Also it's not like goku is fighting inside ness he is fighting in his universe where ness is right next to goku universe and goku ki spams from his planet or atmosphere.
 
Old Kai saw his full power before, as he was sealed by Beerus. Besides, Beerus HAD to use his full power to nullify it or he would die. But that doesn't matter as we're on the same side for this speed equalized match.
 
Ness wins due to sheer mind hax...

Speed is equalized so him being semi-omnipresent won't matter. But Just for the record if speed was unequalized goku would not be able to anything to Ness. semi-omnipresent > mftl.
 
face palm read the 5 th comment in this page. Their is a whis vs ness go check it out it explains why whis blitzs and why semi omnipresent means nothing in a fight.
 
That didn't "explain" anything, if anything Data was missing the point. Ness was the universe, you can't blitz the universe unless you have intentions of blowing it up, which Goku wont do.
 
His reaction speed doesn't scale to it. While he's everywhere at once, he can't think everywhere at once. Same goes with other 3D omnipresents.
 
The real cal howard said:
His reaction speed doesn't scale to it. While he's everywhere at once, he can't think everywhere at once. Same goes with other 3D omnipresents.
Actually...Ness's Body, Essence, courage, and mind was fused with the universe. He is essentially the universe....
 
Darkanine said:
That didn't "explain" anything, if anything Data was missing the point. Ness was the universe, you can't blitz the universe unless you have intentions of blowing it up, which Goku wont do.
depends if this is a bloodlusted fight between the two, even when in character Goku still has a problem letting certain attacks blow up the area and often risks the immediate area with his strongest attacks I.E. his Spirit Bomb on Namek. So Goku can potentially, acccidentily destroy the universe
 
Does he becoming one with the universe make him live as long as the universe exists? If he has a physical manifestaton, Goku can kill that instead, y'all know that right? So does he have a physical manifesation?

@Dark this is a bloodlusted fight, he was willing to let Frieza go 100%, endangering his own family, the same with Cell and Buu... truly bloodlusted Goku would likely be like when he first went super sayian, where he even thretened his own son that he can barly control his rage.
 
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