Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks are 3-A? Let's see

[AguilaR101]

Super saiyan God by itself is at worst 1/6th of universe level, now this is a low end estimation that doesn't take into account Goku was actively preventing the universe from being destroyed, meaning he is actually 1/3rd of Universal.

Now SSJB, while the difference in power is unknown, it is hard to believe that, after constant training, powerups and rage boosts, they would not bridge the small gap there is from their current 3-B standing to actual 3-A.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

So, we have more people that agrees with "Likely 3-A" SSB Goku and Vegeta in U6 Saga and 3-A for SSB KKx10 (and/or rage boost for Black Goku Saga)?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

So, we have more people that agrees with "Likely 3-A" SSB Goku and Vegeta in U6 Saga and 3-A for SSB KKx10 (and/or rage boost for Black Goku Saga)?

looks that way

 

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

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[TISSG7Redgrave]

Super Saiyan God Goku is 1/6 universe level (whatever exact level/number/energy value that'd be is unquantifiable) However the point is Super Saiyan God Goku multiplied by 6 would be a Universe Buster.
Since there is no feat or stated multiplier, except for the fact that'd it's clear that the 3 years of training with Whis, gaining a brand new far stronger form, more training and all these Zenkais would most likely give them at least a 6x boost in power. So I believe a "Likely 3-A" for U6 and a straight up 3-A for SSBKKx10 isn't too unreasonable.

hmm this seems to be reasonable now we just need to know what Trunks new form is could it be super saiyan with god ki not like SSB but it just has a double aura like kaioken

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I call it "False Super Saiyan Blue"

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

It shouldn't be that. Hehe

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Trunks shouldn't be at that level @TISSG7 because it's impossible.

 

[Huesito88]

He isn't it's a outliner that is until he got a trasformation it was like toryiama knew how to not make it a outliner.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

^

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

@Hue still it's impossible to achieve that type of power without years of training which basically trunks didn't have. I agree with upgrading goku and vegeta but as for trunks its a outlier IMO

 

[Ryukama]

@NAMF No it isn't impossible to achieve that kind of power without years of training when we are discussing fiction.

What typically classifies outliers is if the character does something outside their normal limitis with no given explanation, or if the feat is later contradicted with more low end showings. Brand new power ups/forms aren't considered outliers, or else Goku would've never passed Tier 5.

Although I think we should wait until next episode, if Trunks got a brand new transformation (which is what it seems like), then this shouldn't be considered an outlier.

Keep in mind Goku got an comparably massive boost in power through a transformation he didn't even train for at all. So if Trunks got a brand new form, I do not see why we shouldn't give him an upgrade. Especially since only that form gets upgraded and not Trunks's base.

 

[LordAizenSama]

It isn't a outlier. poor writing? probably. Outlier? no.

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah goku went from ssj 3 to ssj god if he didn't go ssj God against beerus and fought him again and magically was on par with him and did that universal feat it would be a outliner but good thing he got ssj God

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

@ryu "normal limits" trunks being able to match black and possibly stronger than ssb goku and is considered an outlier and as for massive boost for goku? Are you talking about kaioken ssb because he said he was using this ability to fight beerus with but didn't get the chance to so he had to train secretly.

@Lord are u saying PIS then

@Hue goku is the main protagonist after all not to mention the strongest saiyan plus ss3 and ss is a huge difference.

To top it all off: a half ss god hybrid saiyan is nothing compared to an actual ss god when it comes to logic

 

[Ryukama]

@NAMF Once again. A brand new transformation with far greater feats =/= outlier. Or else Goku would never surpass Tier 5 since all his SSJ forms would have to be outliers. Superman Prime One Million couldn't be 3-C since his new form would be considered an outlier, etc.

And no I am referring to Super Saiyan God. So not only is your sentiment of "it's impossible to achieve that type of power without years of training" false due the fact that this is fiction, but also because in DBS it's been shown that a new tranformation without training can boost a 4-B to At least Multi-Galaxy+.

If what Trunks underwent was some sort of bizarre, new SSJ form (which we'll have to wait and see if it is), then no it wouldn't be an outlier.

 

[LordAizenSama]

It's not Plot induced stupidity. PIS is Trunks knocking away Zamasu and black a few weeks ago with no signs of his power changing at all from when he fought Goku. Goku owned trunks when he was SSJ3, yet got curbed in SSB when he fought black, that's what makes that PIS. this is a legitimately shown powerup that does not contradict the story even if it is poorly written.

 

[Master_Xar]

Yeah goku went from ssj 3 to ssj god if he didn't go ssj God against beerus and fought him again and magically was on par with him and did that universal feat it would be a outliner but good thing he got ssj God

Well maybe... but then again you could pass it off as Goku getting a RIDICULOUS Zenkai boost, while possibly not as big of a gap

Vegeta back in Z went from 5-B to low 4-C with just Zenkai boosts alone, so if they didn't give Goku SSJG and just explained that he got a massive boost from Beerus beating the crap out of him, he could be waved off, possibly at least...

 

[Antvasima]

@Ryukama I agree with your suggestions. Do you wish to modify the pages of Goku, Vegeta, and Hit accordingly? (Are there any other characters that scale from this?)

 

[Ryukama]

@Antvasima Thank you. I will do so. Also no I believe that it is.

EDIT: There is also Copy-Vegeta and Zamasu

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

@ryu oh no im not sentiment just because how i approach this thread im rather the same. Its just crazy place him between the two like for instance:

Ssb vegeta got stomped the first they whiteness ssr black and somehow ss trunks (ss2 i doesnt matter) is able to tangle with ssr black and zama. So that being said placing trunks with them would be confusing.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

But as for now this guy is sleepy so we can talk l8r idk hehehe

 

[Antvasima]

@Ryukama Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Ryukama]

@NAMF I'm not calling you sentimental or anything. I said your sentiment (AKA what you stated) was false.

Also we're once again not placing base Trunks any higher. Only this brand new form of him would get the upgrade. No one would get confused by that.

Yes base Trunks got stomped. This new Trunks however didn't. Just like how Base Goku was fodder to Frieza, yet beat him in SSJ. That isn't an outlier either.

And if you don't think Super Saiyan God performing Tier 3 feats as an outlier, why would this weird new form of Trunks doing so be?

Since this argument keeps going in circles though and you're going to bed, I'm dropping the subject and closing this thread for now. Feel free to come to my wall if you have something new to say.

 

[Ryukama]

@Ryukama Okay. Thank you for the help.

No problem and done.

I believe this thread has served its purpose. I'll be closing it for now.