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Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks are 3-A? Let's see

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Now look, this sounds inaccurate at first, but let's watch Dragon Ball Super Episode 61 shall we. In this episode, we see SSB Goku do these things

1. Damages Zamasu 2. Damages SSR Goku Black

Goku just straight up damages 2 Universe Level (durability) beings.

Now how does this make Vegeta 3-A? Well Vegeta is comparable to or about on par with Goku, so Vegeta would be 3-A.

Now Trunks being 3-A? Lemme explain that. Apparently Trunks has something sort of new transformation that makes him equal or superior to SSR Black Goku (after the power boost he got from Goku beating him up) (as seen in the preview for episode 62). That would put Trunks above Goku and Vegeta (who I'm claiming are 3-A here).

Might I also mention that Black Goku stated that he used his body to kill all of the gods of "this world", so me may have killed Beerus.

Goku held his own against the Universe Level Goku Black, Vegeta is about on par with Goku, and Trunks just got a new super power up that made him above Black Goku. At this point I think it's clear that they are 3-A.
 
No.

1.Black killed the kaioshins, which, in turn, kills the hakaishins. Also, beerus was already dead before his arrival.

2.Black received some hits from goku and then beat him, he didnt take any serious damage.

3.Vegeta has fallen from being equal to goku.

4.Goku was in a rage state, which is a big boost for saiyajins, you could say he is 3-A when enraged, tho.

5.Lets see what trunks does before jumping into conclusions, shall we?
 
Well according to the descriptions for the next episodes trunks is going to be fighting black and zamasu for however long it takes goku to learn the mafuba which in my opinion is a while. Second vegeta can also get angery so like a great ape nappa vegeta could technically be 3-A as well if angered
 
This will be 3rd time that Trunks will fight with Black & Zamasu,only this time with new form.

While some may say first two times outliers,this tame can't be since he has new form
 
I agree on Rage boost Goku, and Vegeta shouldn't be upgraded. What Trunks gets upgraded to depends on how well he fights next episode.
 
God-King Superman77 said:
I agree on Rage boost Goku, and Vegeta shouldn't be upgraded. What Trunks gets upgraded to depends on how well he fights next episode.
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Vegeta should likely be upgraded to 3-A, let me explain. Vegeta is comparable to or on par with Goku, so if enraged Goku is 3-A, so is enraged Vegeta due to his ability to keep up with Goku in combat, not to mention the zenkai boost they got from the first battle with SSR Black Goku.
 
PaChi2 said:
No.
1.Black killed the kaioshins, which, in turn, kills the hakaishins. Also, beerus was already dead before his arrival.

2.Black received some hits from goku and then beat him, he didnt take any serious damage.

3.Vegeta has fallen from being equal to goku.

4.Goku was in a rage state, which is a big boost for saiyajins, you could say he is 3-A when enraged, tho.

5.Lets see what trunks does before jumping into conclusions, shall we?
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^ Exactly what I wanted to say ^

As for Trunks, why the hell are people here obsessed with profile updates/changes simply from what is seen in previews/spoilers? Why can't people wait for the actual chapter/episode damn it? Plus these people actually spoil shit for those of us who prefer to stay away from spoilers.
 
^ Exactly what I wanted to say ^

As for Trunks, why the hell are people here obsessed with profile updates/changes simply from what is seen in previews/spoilers? Why can't people wait for the actual chapter/episode damn it? Plus these people actually spoil shit for those of us who prefer to stay away from spoilers.

Well because we are impatient and we like to do our character updates.
 
Pokémon Trainer Jacob said:
Well because we are impatient and we like to do our character updates.
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It wouldn't kill you to wait until the actual chapter/episode releases (-_-)
 
It wouldn't kill you to wait until the actual chapter/episode releases (-_-)

Yeah but it's more fun to speculate with the people on the Vs Wiki.
 
It wouldn't kill you to wait until the actual chapter/episode releases (-_-)

Yeah but it's more fun to speculate with the people on the Vs Wiki.

We are also getting off topic.

Goku, Vegeta, and this new Trunks form need to be upgraded to 3-A.
 
God-King Superman77 said:
Trunk's new form has no feats yet. Also, Vegeta isn't equal to Rage Boost Goku
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Trunk's new form was stated to be equal to or above SSR Black Goku as stated in the preview, but I understand where you're coming from there.

Regular Vegeta isn't, but enraged Vegeta should be comparable to or on par with enraged Goku.
 
God-King Superman77 said:
I don't think Goku's rage boost is scalable to Vegeta.
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I personally think it is due to the many times Vegeta has been shown to be able to keep up with Goku. If Piccolo is scalable to Frost, than Goku is scalable to Vegeta.
 
Enraged Goku isn't 3-A. He has no feats to back that up aside from landing a few hits on a superior opponent and then immediately getting Rekt. It's pure plot convenience. Dramatic flair. The evidence for this is weak at best.
 
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You have to remember that Goku Black gets stronger every time he's hit, so after the assault was finished Goku Black became stronger than he was before it.
 
That really doesn't help the case for an upgrade. At all. He was getting beat before had, got mad, got a few hits in, and was immediately beat. There is nothing to justify an upgrade to 3-A in that. It hardly even seemed like the blows phased him. Like at all.

The op even said it himself, this is a case of being impatient and wanting updates. There is nothing here.
 
I just rewatched the fight, and Goku clearly knocks back Black with his blows and makes him grunt in pain numerous times, it's only after his "self-improvement" kicks in that Goku begins to lose. Saying that the blows hardly phased him is just plain wrong.
 
Yeah, knocked back and a few grunts, that hardly seems like anything to me. I don't think this is enough to justify an upgrade. Should being enraged produce consistent results against 3-A characters, then sure.
 
If Goku were just 3-B his punches would do absolutely nothing to Black, the effects given show that he is in a similar league of power when enraged.
 
Again, I would point to things like dramatic flair. Outliers. These things happen in fiction all the time. Vote however you want, I can't support upgrading a character based off a single ocurance here.
 
I don't see how you can correlate this with an outlier when rage is a consistent thing in DB with how it boosts characters (Vegeta literally managed to pressure Beerus when Mystic Gohan could not, hell even the concept of a Super Saiyan adds to this). If a character gets a one-time boost that doesn't affect their regular statistics, I fail to see how it can be considered an outlier.
 
The Everlasting said:
I don't see how you can correlate this with an outlier when rage is a consistent thing in DB with how it boosts characters (Vegeta literally managed to pressure Beerus when Mystic Gohan could not, hell even the concept of a Super Saiyan adds to this). If a character gets a one-time boost that doesn't affect their regular statistics, I fail to see how it can be considered an outlier.
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Basically this, in DBZ rage is a huge supporting factor in overrall power and has been consistent through out the series, example Goku vs Freiza,Gohan vs Cell, and Vegeta vs Beerus
 
Its an outlier because of the sheer gap of power and it being a single ocurance on this tier so far. Vegeta wasn't upgraded to 3A for knocking Beerus back was he? Was Gohan even comparable to his former power then? Was Tien upgraded because his moves pushed Cells second form back? I try to only support upgrades with more evidence than this, but I can't tell others how to feel or perceive their fiction. Again, I'm not supporting this until I see something similar happen on similar tiers more than once. Goku does it again, or does it to a similarly powered character, then sure, I'm on board. Vote however you want.
 
PostmodernD said:
Its an outlier because of the sheer gap of power and it being a single ocurance on this tier so far. Vegeta wasn't upgraded to 3A for knocking Beerus back was he? Was Gohan even comparable to his former power then? Was Tien upgraded because his moves pushed Cells second form back? I try to only support upgrades with more evidence than this, but I can't tell others how to feel or perceive their fiction. Again, I'm not supporting this until I see something similar happen on similar tiers more than once. Goku does it again, or does it to a similarly powered character, then sure, I'm on board. Vote however you want.
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Well to be fair, Beerus was holding back an immense amount against Vegeta because Beerus was testing him. Goku Black has no reason to hold back because he wants Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks' Death more than almost anything. enraged Goku actually putting pressure on SSR Goku Black and actually managing to damage him should easily put him in 3-A.

Enraged Vegeta would be 3-A because Vegeta is able to keep up with Goku in combat (as shown many times).

Now we are gonna wait until next week to continue talking about Trunks, but he's probably also gonna be 3-A because the preview of Episode 62 shows this new form Trunks holding his own against Black and Zamasu at the same time.
 
I'm with Ever, Black is 3-A from being vastly superior to Goku and Vegeta, Goku got an obvious rage boost and was outmatching Black, until Black's reactive evolution over came Goku's power.

With you watch any amount of Dragon Ball you will know any time someone important to Goku died hes gotten pissed to some degree and with it a power boost.

Also Goku has been 1/6 of 3-A since his fight with Beerus, after which came varios transformation and more than 3 years of training.

He also clobbered Zamasu while at least Keeping up with Black so 3-B+ and 3-A.

Black is base 3-A so not really a significant upgrade or an outlier.

Also if want to see consistency, in the Universal tournament theirs Hit who is also 3-A, Goku will more then likely fight him again.
 
Not saying Vegeta should be upgraded, yet. He's still equal to Goku normally and has not "fallen from being Goku's equal", where's that assumption even coming from? Lol

Trunks might be 3-A now but I'll wait for the next episode to be completely certain, things could still really turn sideways.
 
shouldnt this be discussed in a content revision thread? just saying. I think there is already one for enraged goku.
 
I agree with Goku and Vegeta being 3-A due to thier training, but the upgrade if for them naturally or enraged?
 
^Goku has already been upgraded to 3-A when enraged, so the discussion here is about vegeta being upgraded too.
 
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