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^ ThisZamasu Chan said:Broly was fighting equality with base Goku until he adapted, ssj Goku caught Broly off guard for a sec and even caught his punch. Broly had to adapt to ssg Goku, he even changes in size then starts stomping Goku. Just because Goku is only training with Vegeta doesn't mean he's not holding back, or else literally everyone on the TOP that is 4-B or below is 3-A scaling from base Goku. The ending of the TOP + Goku's fight with Broly + Toriyama's word is enough evidence.
You are quite literally implying low 2-C Base Goku. Why?The 2nd Existential Seed said:If you scale ToP SSB Level Characters to Jiren's Casual Feat (Considering it was shown he used more power fighting Goku and using that Spirit Bomb... Because using pressure <<<< using your hands to fight) and Tanking IZ's casual attacks and Goku's confidence on taking on Zamasu by asking for a senzu bean... Sure. Likely those are all seen as outliers though... And it would effect quite a few more than just Goku + Vegeta,,, So I'm not calling that one.